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    Tesla hopes to lay to rest another male insecurity- going the distance ;)



    Tesla hopes long car trip ends 'range anxiety'

    David R. Baker, Chronicle Staff Writer

    Tuesday, December 15, 2009

    Battery range is the Achilles' heel of electric cars.

    They can only go so far before their drivers need to plug them in for hours of recharging. As a result, people tend to think of them as commuter cars, best for short hops around town.

    Tesla Motors wants to change that. Come Thursday, the San Carlos company will send one of its electric sports cars on a 3,100-mile road trip from Los Angeles to the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

    The trip will give Tesla a chance to show off its all-electric Roadster in places where the car has seldom - if ever - been seen. Tesla also hopes to strike a blow against "range anxiety" among consumers, proving that electric cars are capable of the classic cross-country trip. Or as the company's Web page devoted to the trip puts it, "range anxiety is for the weak."

    "You can take it on a road trip just like you would with an everyday car," said Tesla spokeswoman Khobi Brooklyn.

    Well, not quite. The trip, which an everyday car would make in about six days, will take 19 in the Tesla.








    The trip's itinerary is built around the Tesla Roadster Sport's 244-mile range. On most days, the car will only travel 100 to 200 miles before stopping for the night. On others the car will go a little farther than the car's range, meaning the driver will have to stop in the middle of the day and spend several hours recharging the battery pack. The drivers, a rotating group of Tesla employees, will recharge at hotels and RV parks.

    "There is a realistic way to do this," said Rik Avalos, a Tesla sales recruiter who will drive two legs of the trip. "Going across the country is something people can do. This is not a situation where it's an undue burden."

    The trip could also subject the California-born car to some vicious winter weather, as the drivers wind their way through the Upper Midwest, with stops in Chicago and Grand Rapids, Mich.

    "When it gets to the show, it will be filthy and road-streaked," said Jason Mendez, who is manager of power train manufacturing engineering and will be another of the drivers. "That's going to be great."

    Range anxiety isn't a groundless fear. The few electric cars that have been available to date have had different ranges, but they tend to be lower than the mileage a typical car gets from a full tank of gas. And drivers low on juice can't make a five-minute stop at the gas station to refuel.

    Mark Duvall, with the Electric Power Research Institute, drove an earlier generation of electric car - the EV1 from General Motors - for less than a year. Twice he needed to call a tow truck after running down the batteries.
    "Having been a driver of a battery electric vehicle, I can tell you what range anxiety is," said Duvall, director of the institute's electric transportation program.

    Fear of limited range is also one of the reasons automakers are designing plug-in hybrid cars, which use gas-powered motors for backup when the batteries run too low.

    "The people who don't want to have range anxiety and want more flexibility, they can buy plug-in hybrids," Duvall said. "We don't try to make everyone drive the same four-door sedan."

    Roland Hwang, with the Natural Resources Defense Council, agreed. He also said that range anxiety may be less of a factor in the future if gasoline prices resume their upward march.


    all he needs is the girl


    "As the economy recovers, it's not going to be too long before we see $4 gasoline again," said Hwang, vehicle policy director for the environmental group. "So I think when more of these cars hit the showroom, range anxiety is going to be balanced by pump anxiety."

    Tesla's drivers will update their progress on Facebook and Twitter. For more information about the trip, go to www.teslamotors.com/roadtrip.

    E-mail David R. Baker at dbaker@sfchronicle.com

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    Re: Chick Magnet?

    Could not the recharge time be reduced to current refueling time if gas stations start to offer battery swap-outs for marketable prices? The need to disconnect, lug around, and reconnect a super-heavy battery could make gas station attendants an economically viable position again, in spite of the minimum wage, instead of a just a moronic policy relic of a couple states.

    Of course, this is hardly environmentally friendly at all, if you use the standards of environmentalists to a logical conclusion. You could not possibly guarantee that everyone will charge at night when there is excess power grid capacity unless you legislate that only certain facilities can charge, and only at certain times. This will mean that there will be a net increase in power grid usage, meaning more capacity required in the form of coal, oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, and other forms of power plants. Moreover, you would need to utilize the power plants more at night if the bulk of the charging is done then, meaning more consumption than is already taking place.

    I imagine that everything about this will cost a hell of a lot more than simply trudging along using the internal combustion engine to boot. The force of law would probably be required, unless this sort of move actually does cost less. This looks like a career-making move for a young Senator or something.

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    • #3
      Re: Chick Magnet?

      Battery swapping station:

      http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/13/v...attery-switch/

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
        You beat me to it I was just going to mention this company as well... I was able to meet with them... They are hyped about their product.... Very determined team, i just wonder how quickly it will catch on... It seems like it could work.... Its essentially a disruptive technology....

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        • #5
          Re: Chick Magnet?

          I wants me one of these. It gets 75 mpg but the range is only 20 miles for all-electric. I hope battery technology improves soon.

          Watch the video:

          http://www.flytheroad.com/

          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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          • #6
            Re: Chick Magnet?

            Sexy or not, it's the wrong way to go. Grid electricity is terribly inefficient, about 32%. The rest goes to waste as heat. Add ~12% grid transmission losses, 10% battery charger losser, and 10% battery in/out losses, we have an overall system efficiency of 0.32*0.88*0.9*0.9=0.228 or 22.8% efficient. An average internal combustion engine is 32% efficient. On top of this our current grid system cant take the extra load, unless we greatly increase it by huge capital investment, or give out death sentences to anyone who dares try & recharge their car during prime time.

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            • #7
              Re: Chick Magnet?

              Originally posted by don View Post
              Tesla hopes to lay to rest another male insecurity- going the distance ;)

              Tesla hopes long car trip ends 'range anxiety'



              ..."When it gets to the show, it will be filthy and road-streaked," said Jason Mendez, who is manager of power train manufacturing engineering and will be another of the drivers. "That's going to be great."...



              Let's see if I have this right...a bunch of geeks each dreaming of becoming the next Buz Murdock, driving a "filthy and road-streaked" plastic car, night cruising for unused electrical outlets in mid-America RV parks in the depth of winter...

              Sounds great to me too...

              Chicks? Riiiiight...:p

              For that they should think about using a different kind of plastic car...;)

              Last edited by GRG55; December 15, 2009, 11:48 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Chick Magnet?

                Originally posted by Ghent12 View Post
                Could not the recharge time be reduced to current refueling time if gas stations start to offer battery swap-outs for marketable prices? The need to disconnect, lug around, and reconnect a super-heavy battery could make gas station attendants an economically viable position again, in spite of the minimum wage, instead of a just a moronic policy relic of a couple states.

                Of course, this is hardly environmentally friendly at all, if you use the standards of environmentalists to a logical conclusion. You could not possibly guarantee that everyone will charge at night when there is excess power grid capacity unless you legislate that only certain facilities can charge, and only at certain times. This will mean that there will be a net increase in power grid usage, meaning more capacity required in the form of coal, oil, natural gas, hydroelectric, and other forms of power plants. Moreover, you would need to utilize the power plants more at night if the bulk of the charging is done then, meaning more consumption than is already taking place.

                I imagine that everything about this will cost a hell of a lot more than simply trudging along using the internal combustion engine to boot. The force of law would probably be required, unless this sort of move actually does cost less. This looks like a career-making move for a young Senator or something.

                Israeli company Plans exactly THAT! (with robots, instead of humans, of course).

                I'll try to find you a link.

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                • #9
                  Re: Chick Magnet?

                  They're from LA. Detroit in January?
                  They don't know

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                  • #10
                    Re: Chick Magnet?

                    The trip's itinerary is built around the Tesla Roadster Sport's 244-mile range. On most days, the car will only travel 100 to 200 miles before stopping for the night. On others the car will go a little farther than the car's range, meaning the driver will have to stop in the middle of the day and spend several hours recharging the battery pack.
                    They have to make the car look really cool in order to get the drivers to forget how lame the future is going to be without cheap gasoline.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Chick Magnet?

                      Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                      They have to make the car look really cool in order to get the drivers to forget how lame the future is going to be without cheap gasoline.
                      ...quote of the day!...you win !....very true, unfortunately...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Chick Magnet?

                        Originally posted by don View Post
                        They're from LA. Detroit in January?
                        They don't know
                        I still want to know how these all electric cars generate the heat to defrost the windscreen and keep your toes from getting frostbitten as you're cruising east of Fargo in the dead of winter. Doesn't an electric element heater use a lot of power, thus compromising the range, thereby necessitating an even more intensive search for that elusive RV park plug-in? No wonder it's going to take 19 days.

                        As a cross country vehicle these cars seem perfect for the forcibly early retired and the unemployed. They are the only one's that don't have to get anywhere in a hurry, and besides retired folks probably know where all the really great chick magnet RV parks are...:cool: I can't wait for the day I see one being towed behind a 44-foot Monaco Coach. Only in America...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Chick Magnet?

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          I still want to know how these all electric cars generate the heat to defrost the windscreen and keep your toes from getting frostbitten as you're cruising east of Fargo in the dead of winter. Doesn't an electric element heater use a lot of power, thus compromising the range, thereby necessitating an even more intensive search for that elusive RV park plug-in? No wonder it's going to take 19 days.

                          As a cross country vehicle these cars seem perfect for the forcibly early retired and the unemployed. They are the only one's that don't have to get anywhere in a hurry, and besides retired folks probably know where all the really great chick magnet RV parks are...:cool: I can't wait for the day I see one being towed behind a 44-foot Monaco Coach. Only in America...
                          Many moons ago a friend of mine drove up to Tahoe in the winter in his primitive VW bug. No effective defroster. He spent the time at 5,000' and above scrapping the driver's side with his hand, reaching out through the open window. Best to check with the salesman before buying :eek: :rolleyes:

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                          • #14
                            Re: Chick Magnet?

                            Let's not forget the price tag of this vehicle: $85,000 to $120,000

                            If you were to buy a Hummer H2 ($63K) plus carbon credits to offset its emissions for 15 years, it would likely still be cheaper than the Roadster...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Chick Magnet?

                              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                              Let's not forget the price tag of this vehicle: $85,000 to $120,000

                              If you were to buy a Hummer H2 ($63K) plus carbon credits to offset its emissions for 15 years, it would likely still be cheaper than the Roadster...
                              c1ue, you've got me worried. Buried in your post is seemingly a matter-of-fact acceptance of carbon credits :eek:
                              I'm not there yet :mad:

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