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    Bernanke Low Rates ‘Poison’ to U.S. Economy, Xie Says



    Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke is prescribing “poison” to the U.S. economy by keeping interest rates near zero and fueling a wave of speculative capital that may cause the next global crisis, former Morgan Stanley chief Asian economist Andy Xie said.
    Bernanke is making decisions based on “marginal considerations” that will help short-term growth and employment, instead of focusing on the “soundness of the system,” Xie wrote in an e-mailed note today. The next worldwide crisis will probably strike in 2012, driven by inflation as the low cost of borrowing spurs increases in asset prices, he said.
    “There is a Chinese saying that one could quench the thirst by drinking poison,” said Xie, who predicted in September 2006 that the U.S. economy would fall into a recession in 2008. “Bernanke seems to be prescribing exactly this to the U.S. economy. The slower Bernanke raises interest rates, the bigger the next crisis.”
    Bernanke, a scholar of the Great Depression, has overseen a record injection of liquidity into the world’s largest economy, pledging not to make the mistake of the 1930s, when officials tightened policy. The Fed chairman yesterday said that the U.S. economy faces “formidable headwinds” including a weak labor market and tight credit that are likely to produce a “moderate” pace of expansion.
    Emergency Measures
    “We’ve got to figure out a way to get out of these post- bubble emergency actions a lot more effectively,” Morgan Stanley Asia Chairman Stephen Roach said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in Hong Kong today. “I worry that Ben Bernanke, while he says one thing, will do another.”
    Inflation in the U.S. remained “subdued” and interest rates are likely to remain low for an “extended period,” Bernanke told the Economic Club of Washington.
    Policy makers around the world cut interest rates and boosted government spending by more than $2 trillion as part of emergency steps to counter the global recession. The Japanese government today unveiled a 7.2 trillion yen ($81 billion) economic stimulus package amid signs the recovery and Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama’s popularity are waning.
    Fiscal stimulus worldwide restored stability “temporarily” and may be inflationary, said Xie, now an independent economist. Asset-price increases are also making a “significant contribution” to global growth, mostly in emerging economies, and industries such as property, automobiles and commodities, he said.
    ‘Too Expensive’
    “The policy consensus to prop up the global economy with stimulus will continue until inflation takes off or governments are broke,” Xie said. “This strategy is too expensive to last.”
    Inflation will likely become apparent in 2011, and a “vicious wage-price spiral” could take place the year after, Xie said. He said the lag between money creation, which happened last year, and inflation may take more than 18 months.
    Asian policy makers are already studying capital controls to limit “hot money” inflows that may stoke asset bubbles and force their currencies to appreciate.
    Inflation would scare central banks into tightening dramatically in 2012, which would pop the current asset bubble,” Xie wrote. “By then the global problem would be more serious than now. In addition to the leverage problem in the household and financial sectors, the government sector would also be hugely levered then.”
    The trillions of dollars that governments are spending is “buying some time,” Xie said. One of the risks is that governments may not have enough money to “cushion the pain during the coming economic restructuring,” the economist wrote.
    “The whole world is drinking poison to quench the thirst,” Xie said. “It may feel like relief now. The sickness will strike in 2012.”



    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aYVuIVpuwo4I

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    Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

    Thanks for a great article. I could not agree more.

    Below is an article from Irwin Stelzer. Even he is now getting worried over US debts, Bernanke and Obamie.

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6954495.ece

    (It may be a bit slow to load!)

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      Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

      if the only tool you have is a hammer, all you see is skulls

      (nothing violent ... from the wikipedia "phrenology" page
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology)

      * Terry Pratchett, in his Discworld series of books, describes the practice of Retro-phrenology as the practice of altering someone's character by giving them bumps on the head. You can go into a shop in Ankh-Morpork and order an artistic temperament with a tendency to introspection. What you actually get is hit on the head with a large hammer, but it keeps the money in circulation and gives people something to do.

      we'll just have to forgive Terry for his anti-Gold, pro-paper "Making Money", where he equates paper money to belief in peoples' creative and hard working natures.



      He missed the fact[*] that Gold is what keeps these people's money in their pockets, and fiat is the politicians' and banksters' tool to fleece the people.
      [*] I'm assuming he believes what he wrote ...

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      • #4
        Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

        This "inflation" fleecing the people is not correct. What you are against isn't inflation, you're against taxes.

        Information is transparent enough now that people are well aware that the government is taxing us via inflation.

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        • #5
          Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

          Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
          enough now that people are well aware that the government is taxing us via inflation.
          I strongly disagree and think most people have no idea what is going on except the fact that they are not happy about things because they just had their Hummer repossessed. I live and work around a very broad cross section of society and most are still in denial. The citizenship isn't even close to activated from where I stand.

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          • #6
            Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

            Originally posted by jk View Post
            Bernanke Low Rates ‘Poison’ to U.S. Economy, Xie Says



            Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke is prescribing “poison” to the U.S. economy by keeping interest rates near zero and fueling a wave of speculative capital that may cause the next global crisis, former Morgan Stanley chief Asian economist Andy Xie said.
            Bernanke is making decisions based on “marginal considerations” that will help short-term growth and employment, instead of focusing on the “soundness of the system,” Xie wrote in an e-mailed note today. The next worldwide crisis will probably strike in 2012, driven by inflation as the low cost of borrowing spurs increases in asset prices, he said.
            “There is a Chinese saying that one could quench the thirst by drinking poison,” said Xie, who predicted in September 2006 that the U.S. economy would fall into a recession in 2008. “Bernanke seems to be prescribing exactly this to the U.S. economy. The slower Bernanke raises interest rates, the bigger the next crisis.”
            Bernanke, a scholar of the Great Depression, has overseen a record injection of liquidity into the world’s largest economy, pledging not to make the mistake of the 1930s, when officials tightened policy. The Fed chairman yesterday said that the U.S. economy faces “formidable headwinds” including a weak labor market and tight credit that are likely to produce a “moderate” pace of expansion.
            Emergency Measures
            “We’ve got to figure out a way to get out of these post- bubble emergency actions a lot more effectively,” Morgan Stanley Asia Chairman Stephen Roach said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in Hong Kong today. “I worry that Ben Bernanke, while he says one thing, will do another.”
            Inflation in the U.S. remained “subdued” and interest rates are likely to remain low for an “extended period,” Bernanke told the Economic Club of Washington.
            Policy makers around the world cut interest rates and boosted government spending by more than $2 trillion as part of emergency steps to counter the global recession. The Japanese government today unveiled a 7.2 trillion yen ($81 billion) economic stimulus package amid signs the recovery and Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama’s popularity are waning.
            Fiscal stimulus worldwide restored stability “temporarily” and may be inflationary, said Xie, now an independent economist. Asset-price increases are also making a “significant contribution” to global growth, mostly in emerging economies, and industries such as property, automobiles and commodities, he said.
            ‘Too Expensive’
            “The policy consensus to prop up the global economy with stimulus will continue until inflation takes off or governments are broke,” Xie said. “This strategy is too expensive to last.”
            Inflation will likely become apparent in 2011, and a “vicious wage-price spiral” could take place the year after, Xie said. He said the lag between money creation, which happened last year, and inflation may take more than 18 months.
            Asian policy makers are already studying capital controls to limit “hot money” inflows that may stoke asset bubbles and force their currencies to appreciate.
            Inflation would scare central banks into tightening dramatically in 2012, which would pop the current asset bubble,” Xie wrote. “By then the global problem would be more serious than now. In addition to the leverage problem in the household and financial sectors, the government sector would also be hugely levered then.”
            The trillions of dollars that governments are spending is “buying some time,” Xie said. One of the risks is that governments may not have enough money to “cushion the pain during the coming economic restructuring,” the economist wrote.
            “The whole world is drinking poison to quench the thirst,” Xie said. “It may feel like relief now. The sickness will strike in 2012.”



            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aYVuIVpuwo4I
            This hews pretty close to EJ's latest. But I think Andy is an optimist that wag inflation will take place. It will in elite industries and in Emerging Markets. But here the discouraged workers and the working poor, those left behind by globalization and new tech, will be ravaged by cost push inflation.

            Basically, it's a repeat of the last bubble but with the good part of the bubble being visited upon other lands. The exciting part is finding out if there is enough faith in Governments to keep the re-inflation cycles going.

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              Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

              Originally posted by goadam1 View Post
              This hews pretty close to EJ's latest. But I think Andy is an optimist that wag inflation will take place. It will in elite industries and in Emerging Markets. But here the discouraged workers and the working poor, those left behind by globalization and new tech, will be ravaged by cost push inflation.

              Basically, it's a repeat of the last bubble but with the good part of the bubble being visited upon other lands.
              i agree with your analysis. unless protectionism - either direct or via currency manipulation- distorts the process even more than it already does, any wage inflation will be globalized, and there will be lower standards of living in the u.s. [and likely developed europe], higher in the developing world.

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                Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                “We’ve got to figure out a way to get out of these post- bubble emergency actions a lot more effectively,” Morgan Stanley Asia Chairman Stephen Roach said in an interview with Bloomberg Television in Hong Kong today. “I worry that Ben Bernanke, while he says one thing, will do another.”
                Morgan Stanley complaining about Bernanke?! Ahhhh, talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Isn't this kind of a, please stop me before I kill again, type argument?

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                • #9
                  Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                  "Bernanke is making decisions based on “marginal considerations” that will help short-term growth and employment, instead of focusing on the “soundness of the system,” Xie wrote in an e-mailed note today."

                  Marginal considerations would include cronyism, serving the banks (let's face it, his boss), prolonging wall street bonuses; in short, all the things that regulatory capture would imply.

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                  • #10
                    Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                    Originally posted by due_indigence View Post
                    "Bernanke is making decisions based on “marginal considerations” that will help short-term growth and employment, instead of focusing on the “soundness of the system,” Xie wrote in an e-mailed note today."

                    Marginal considerations would include cronyism, serving the banks (let's face it, his boss), prolonging wall street bonuses; in short, all the things that regulatory capture would imply.
                    You mean something like allowing the Citi and BA pump and dump (using market inertia and index fund buying) so they can pay back tarp and collect bonuses, all the while keeping toxic assets on the Fed balance sheet?

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                    • #11
                      Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      i agree with your analysis. unless protectionism - either direct or via currency manipulation- distorts the process even more than it already does, any wage inflation will be globalized, and there will be lower standards of living in the u.s. [and likely developed europe], higher in the developing world.
                      No way protectionism happens. Maybe a token here and there for a big lobby. Even if a Palin type wins on such a platform it would never happen.

                      Brazil and China will see an advantage in raising median income. While here the shrinking pie will have horrible distribution. The untrained will take just about any job soon. While specialties in finance, medicine, government and tech will see some wage inflation.

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                      • #12
                        Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                        Originally posted by jk View Post
                        i agree with your analysis. unless protectionism - either direct or via currency manipulation- distorts the process even more than it already does, any wage inflation will be globalized, and there will be lower standards of living in the u.s. [and likely developed europe], higher in the developing world.


                        Definitely, earth resources are finite, there is finite number of "real jobs", finite water resources, finite food resources, finite metals, someone must pay for rising living standards in the developing world.

                        The lower living standards in the US is only just starting.
                        Last edited by touchring; December 13, 2009, 06:21 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                          Originally posted by touchring View Post
                          Definitely, earth resources are finite, there is finite number of "real jobs", finite water resources, finite food resources, finite metals, someone must pay for rising living standards in the developing world.

                          The lower living standards in the US is only just starting.
                          True dat.

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                          • #14
                            Re: andy xie: inflation 2011-12, then the deluge

                            Love the pic-really shows what Corps think of the rampant innumeracy in our democracy.

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