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    iTulip is an overwhelmingly male audience. Nevertheless, we all have Moms and the older cohort wives, that were pitched this trumping of exchange over use value felony.

    December 13, 2009

    Menopause, as Brought to You by Big Pharma

    By NATASHA SINGER and DUFF WILSON

    MILLIONS of American women in the 1990s were told they could help their bodies ward off major illness by taking menopausal hormone drugs. Some medical associations said so. Many gynecologists and physicians said so. Respected medical journals said so, too.

    Along the way, television commercials positioned hormone drugs as treatments for more than hot flashes and night sweats — just two of the better-known symptoms of menopause, which is technically defined as commencing one year after a woman’s last menstrual cycle.

    One commercial about estrogen loss by the drug maker Wyeth featured a character named Dr. Heartman in a white coat discussing research into connections between menopause and heart disease, Alzheimer’s disease and blindness.

    “When considering menopause, consider the entire body of evidence,” Dr. Heartman said. “Speak to your doctor about what you can do to help protect your health during and after menopause.”

    Connie Barton, then a medical office assistant in Peoria, Ill., was one woman who responded to such messages. She says she took Prempro, a hormone drug made by Wyeth, from 1997, when she was 53, until 2002, when she received a diagnosis of breast cancer. As part of her cancer treatment, she had a mastectomy to remove her left breast.

    Now Ms. Barton, who said in an interview that she used Prempro in part because her doctor told her it could help prevent heart disease and dementia, is one of more than 13,000 people who have sued Wyeth over the last seven years, claiming in courts across the country that its menopause drugs caused breast cancer and other problems.

    The suits also assert, based on recently unsealed court documents, that Wyeth oversold the benefits of menopausal hormones and failed to properly warn of the risks.

    In October, a jury in a Pennsylvania state court awarded Ms. Barton $75 million in punitive damages from Wyeth on top of compensatory damages of $3.75 million.

    The drug giant Pfizer, which absorbed Wyeth and its hormone drugs in a merger this year, says that Prempro is a safe, federally approved drug that did not cause Ms. Barton’s breast cancer. Chris Loder, a Pfizer spokesman, says Wyeth acted responsibly by including a clear warning about a breast cancer risk on Prempro labels and by updating the warning as new evidence emerged.

    Mr. Loder also notes that Pfizer plans to appeal every product-liability case on menopausal drugs it loses, including Ms. Barton’s.

    While Wyeth has faced periodic complaints about its blockbuster menopause drugs, the latest lawsuits have turned the company’s menopausal hormone franchise into the kind of case study dissected at Ivy League business schools. Lawyers have made some documents public in the suits, and The New York Times and the nonprofit Public Library of Science filed successful motions to unseal thousands of documents in July.

    To be sure, even some doctors who think hormone therapy has risks say it is the most effective treatment for symptoms directly associated with menopause.

    The documents that have surfaced in the Wyeth cases offer a rare glimpse inside the file cabinets and hard drives of a major drug company. And the cases demonstrate the importance of litigation in detailing exactly how drug makers operate their businesses, says Dr. Jerome L. Avorn, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School who has written about the subject in The Journal of the American Medical Association.

    “The information coming out in litigation helps us understand how a belief in a ‘protective benefit’ of estrogens on the heart was able to spread like wildfire through the medical community,” says Dr. Avorn, who is not involved in the Wyeth litigation.

    “Thousands of doctors prescribed the drugs for millions of women on that basis,” he says, adding that studies later contradicted the belief. “It will be very interesting to see whether the courts are able to connect the dots and make it clear whether this was a kind of medical ventriloquism on Wyeth’s part.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/bu...13drug.html?hp

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    Good, this kind of abuse and lemming-think drives me nuts. The menopausal hormone issue has been well known to those docs who care for a decade. Some are lazy, some are easily swayed, some are greedy, all are human.

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      it's still not clear to me whether there is good evidence on the utility of hormonal treatment for women entering and beyond menopause. the data seems to vary depending on when the treatment is initiated and i suspect we will never have definitive studies. for some individuals, the choice is clear -- certainly women with a breast cancer diathesis should avoid it. occasionally a patient will discuss it in the context of what is "natural." at those times i will point out that there is nothing natural about a postmenopausal female existing, or a similarly aged male. evolution and natural selection doesn't work past reproduction and child rearing.

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        Originally posted by jk View Post
        it's still not clear to me whether there is good evidence on the utility of hormonal treatment for women entering and beyond menopause. the data seems to vary depending on when the treatment is initiated and i suspect we will never have definitive studies. for some individuals, the choice is clear -- certainly women with a breast cancer diathesis should avoid it. occasionally a patient will discuss it in the context of what is "natural." at those times i will point out that there is nothing natural about a postmenopausal female existing, or a similarly aged male. evolution and natural selection doesn't work past reproduction and child rearing.
        ????
        Humans are social animals. Anything that helps the gene/tribe/clan/family survive and reproduce, including helpful old people, gets selected over anything that doesn't.

        Dawkins' "the Extended Phenotype" covers some of this, as does "the Blind Watchmaker", when it talks of arms races - beavers and trees, lions and elk evolving together, as if in an Escher painting, the evolution of each affecting the evolution of the other, and that evolutionary change reaching back recursively to further the evolution of the original.

        And it's not as simple as "evolution of a provocative trait provokes evolution of a responsive trait" ... the entire system evolves at one time.
        Last edited by Spartacus; December 13, 2009, 12:56 AM.

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          This has been a long time coming:

          Interesting in that I had read about the female hormone conspiracy.....

          The background: It is not legal to patent a naturally occurring substance such as a hormone (ie: estrogen and progesterone).

          Drug companies like Wyeth and Merck manufactured in mass quantities (and patented) "similar" compounds to the naturally occurring hormones and then pushed this through the mainstream. Prempro was one of them...

          To further the outrage and more recently, the term "bio-identical' (compounds which are an exact molecular match for hormones) were discouraged.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioiden...cement_therapy

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            Originally posted by jk View Post
            it's still not clear to me whether there is good evidence on the utility of hormonal treatment for women entering and beyond menopause.
            Both Women's Health Initiative clinical studies were discontinued early due to increased risks of breast cancer, CHD, stroke, and venous thromboembolism in the combined estrogen-progestin group and increased risk of stroke in the estogen group (those estrogen only women all had had prior hysterectomies due to the known endometrial CA risks of unopposed estrogen therapy). The group of patients in which HRT is beneficial is very small in my mind and includes those with premature ovarian failure. Considerations can be taken for those with colon CA risks and osteoporosis.

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              Originally posted by Jay View Post
              Both Women's Health Initiative clinical studies were discontinued early due to increased risks of breast cancer, CHD, stroke, and venous thromboembolism in the combined estrogen-progestin group and increased risk of stroke in the estogen group (those estrogen only women all had had prior hysterectomies due to the known endometrial CA risks of unopposed estrogen therapy). The group of patients in which HRT is beneficial is very small in my mind and includes those with premature ovarian failure. Considerations can be taken for those with colon CA risks and osteoporosis.
              correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought those studies didn't initiate hormonal supplementation until some time after menopause, i.e. there was an interval without hormones present. i thought i'd read that studies which initiated hrt early in the menopausal process had different findings.

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                Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                ????
                Humans are social animals. Anything that helps the gene/tribe/clan/family survive and reproduce, including helpful old people, gets selected over anything that doesn't.

                Dawkins' "the Extended Phenotype" covers some of this, as does "the Blind Watchmaker", when it talks of arms races - beavers and trees, lions and elk evolving together, as if in an Escher painting, the evolution of each affecting the evolution of the other, and that evolutionary change reaching back recursively to further the evolution of the original.

                And it's not as simple as "evolution of a provocative trait provokes evolution of a responsive trait" ... the entire system evolves at one time.
                in social animals there may be e.g. genetic altruism in which the traits of animals which don't reproduce at all as individuals may still be important 2o to whatever contributions they make to the survival and reproductions of relatives carrying the same genes. i know that. nonetheless, you need to ask how frequently early hominids survived into middle age and beyond, and what shape they were in to make contributions to their kin's survival.

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                  Originally posted by jk View Post
                  correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought those studies didn't initiate hormonal supplementation until some time after menopause, i.e. there was an interval without hormones present. i thought i'd read that studies which initiated hrt early in the menopausal process had different findings.
                  There were a number of limitations to the WHI that make it difficult to generalize to the population of healthy, newly postmenopausal women who present with menopausal symptoms. The WHI population was an older and heavier population than in most epidemiologic studies. In addition, 50 percent of subjects were current or past smokers. Personally, I would be wary even if you are thinking of using HRT in the perimenopausal period.

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