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    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_9151129.htm

    Population control called key to deal
    By Li Xing (China Daily)
    Updated: 2009-12-10 07:37

    COPENHAGEN: Population and climate change are intertwined but the population issue has remained a blind spot when countries discuss ways to mitigate climate change and slow down global warming, according to Zhao Baige, vice-minister of National Population and Family Planning Commission of China (NPFPC) .

    "Dealing with climate change is not simply an issue of CO2 emission reduction but a comprehensive challenge involving political, economic, social, cultural and ecological issues, and the population concern fits right into the picture," said Zhao, who is a member of the Chinese government delegation.

    Many studies link population growth with emissions and the effect of climate change.

    "Calculations of the contribution of population growth to emissions growth globally produce a consistent finding that most of past population growth has been responsible for between 40 per cent and 60 percent of emissions growth," so stated by the 2009 State of World Population, released earlier by the UN Population Fund.

    Although China's family planning policy has received criticism over the past three decades, Zhao said that China's population program has made a great historic contribution to the well-being of society.

    As a result of the family planning policy, China has seen 400 million fewer births, which has resulted in 18 million fewer tons of CO2 emissions a year, Zhao said.

    The UN report projected that if the global population would remain 8 billion by the year 2050 instead of a little more than 9 billion according to medium-growth scenario, "it might result in 1 billion to 2 billion fewer tons of carbon emissions".

    Meanwhile, she said studies have also shown that family planning programs are more efficient in helping cut emissions, citing research by Thomas Wire of London School of Economics that states: "Each $7 spent on basic family planning would reduce CO2 emissions by more than one ton" whereas it would cost $13 for reduced deforestation, $24 to use wind technology, $51 for solar power, $93 for introducing hybrid cars and $131 electric vehicles.

    She admitted that China's population program is not without consequences, as the country is entering the aging society fast and facing the problem of gender imbalance.

    "I'm not saying that what we have done is 100 percent right, but I'm sure we are going in the right direction and now 1.3 billion people have benefited," she said.

    She said some 85 percent of the Chinese women in reproductive age use contraceptives, the highest rate in the world. This has been achieved largely through education and improvement of people's lives, she said.

    This holistic approach that integrates policy on population and development, a strategy promoting sustainable development of population, resources and environment should serve as a model for integrating population programs into the framework of climate change adaptation, she said.

    (China Daily 12/10/2009 page10)
    Welcome to the New Millennium! If you have no clue what this is about, your descendants won't be around very long. :eek:

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    Re: Population control called key to deal

    Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_9151129.htm



    Welcome to the New Millennium! If you have no clue what this is about, your descendants won't be around very long. :eek:

    Many of our problems have the same root cause: too many monkeys on the rock.

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      Re: Population control called key to deal

      I agree that limiting human population growth is key to having a sustainable world long term.

      For internal political reasons, the U.S. has not been willing to take the lead on this - hopefully other countries will pick up the slack and force the issue onto the front burner.

      The comments from China are a good start.

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        Re: Population control called key to deal

        Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
        Many of our problems have the same root cause: too many monkeys on the rock.
        Gee whizz the current perdicament - nothing to do with a corrupt financial system - and its requirement for perpetual growth, placing no value on sustainability. Much better to call for controls on population, then give up the levers of power and reform the financial system which might allow us to live on this planet sustainably. :rolleyes:
        "that each simple substance has relations which express all the others"

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          Re: Population control called key to deal

          Originally posted by Diarmuid View Post
          Gee whizz the current perdicament - nothing to do with a corrupt financial system - and its requirement for perpetual growth, placing no value on sustainability. Much better to call for controls on population, then give up the levers of power and reform the financial system which might allow us to live on this planet sustainably. :rolleyes:
          You're right. Those things are all serious and need to be addressed. But sometimes a scoundrel does something good by accident, and this may be one such.

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            Re: Population control called key to deal

            Originally posted by World Traveler View Post
            I agree that limiting human population growth is key to having a sustainable world long term.

            For internal political reasons, the U.S. has not been willing to take the lead on this - hopefully other countries will pick up the slack and force the issue onto the front burner.

            The comments from China are a good start.
            I agree but this is one hard one to handle. Who is going to make that kind of choise?

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              Re: Population control called key to deal

              Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
              . But sometimes a scoundrel does something good by accident, and this may be one such.
              Dont bet on it.:eek:
              "that each simple substance has relations which express all the others"

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                Re: Population control called key to deal

                Originally posted by Diarmuid View Post
                Gee whizz the current perdicament - nothing to do with a corrupt financial system - and its requirement for perpetual growth, placing no value on sustainability. Much better to call for controls on population, then give up the levers of power and reform the financial system which might allow us to live on this planet sustainably. :rolleyes:
                I used to support the call for "sustainable development" until I moved into my house in East Sooke, BC. The pot-head that built my house used materials he re-cycled from the dump, so I got stuck with a house that had to be totally re-done. What was junk in the dump should have been fed to worms, not re-cycled for another couple of decades in the world of people.

                What am I writing about? --- vanities and cupboards and counters made from press-board that were gashed-to-pieces, nevertheless re-cycled for another life in an otherwise beautiful log home; a crawl-space built basically correct, yet without proper insulation, let alone without a proper drain in the floor for floods; old linoleum in the kitchen and bathroom that was more suited to a former life in an outhouse than to anything presentable to-day in a modern home; old and worn-out appliances that could have been replaced for a few hundred dollars, yet were not replaced because replacement would have violated an eco-ethic about consumption; baseboard heaters that were in the dump, but nevertheless were salvaged for still another life, complete with their dents, paint-stains, and design problems.

                I have learned that consumption is a good thing; consumption creates jobs for people, not to mention, jobs for worms and bacteria in the dump, six or seven decades later.

                If you want to find-out more about the bankrupt and stupid thinking of to-day's eco-nuts, just buy a former marijuana grow-op like I did in East Sooke...... I won't even mention the gigantic BC house-spiders and rats (as big as cats) that greeted me when I moved in. :rolleyes:
                Last edited by Starving Steve; December 11, 2009, 03:56 PM.

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                  Re: Population control called key to deal

                  The UN report projected that if the global population would remain 8 billion by the year 2050 instead of a little more than 9 billion according to medium-growth scenario, "it might result in 1 billion to 2 billion fewer tons of carbon emissions".
                  In my view, it is already too late -- we missed the bus 30 years ago -- and will reap the consequences for doing so!

                  From the Census Bureau

                  Note: the median world population age is smack in the middle of the Child Bearing Years and

                  We will be hitting the brick wall soon -- The question is how soon

                  Basics of Human Population Growth -- We are turning the corner - but not fast enough -- If we were where we are today - thirty years ago, we may have safely turned the corner
                  Last edited by Rajiv; December 11, 2009, 08:32 PM.

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                    Re: Population control called key to deal

                    Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
                    In my view, it is already too late -- we missed the bus 30 years ago -- and will reap the consequences for doing so!
                    Is there a slideshow (eg .ppt) version of this anywhere? The video takes too long to absorb the data, and it being almost 10 minutes, I get tired of pausing and rewinding youtube, especially since theres no sound with the video....
                    Every interest bearing loan is mathematically impossible to pay back.

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                      Re: Population control called key to deal

                      I see from the world's life-tables that if a male lives to be over 100, he is out-numbered by females his age (>100) by greater than 5:1. That could be fun, especially with Viagra or Cialis in the medicine cabinet.

                      Now guys, the key is to survive to be >100.

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                        Re: Population control called key to deal

                        The author suggest using the pause button to slow it down -- he had to move it fast to adhere to Youtube file size limits

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                          Re: Population control called key to deal

                          Originally posted by ricket View Post
                          Is there a slideshow (eg .ppt) version of this anywhere? The video takes too long to absorb the data, and it being almost 10 minutes, I get tired of pausing and rewinding youtube, especially since theres no sound with the video....
                          For me at least, if I first let the youtube video completely download (while I leave it on pause and ignore it) then I can move the current point slider back and forth, allowing me to simulate watching a power point slideshow at my own pace -- read a screen then slide to the right until the next screen flashes up.
                          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Population control called key to deal

                            You might also find this video from the Population Reference Bureau useful in understanding demographics

                            Also the World Population Data Sheet

                            (Aug. 12, 2009) Global population numbers are on track to reach 7 billion in 2011, just 12 years after reaching 6 billion in 1999. Virtually all of the growth is in developing countries. And the growth of the world’s youth population (ages 15 to 24) is shifting into the poorest of those countries.

                            The Population Reference Bureau's 2009 World Population Data Sheet and its summary report, to be released on Aug. 12, offer detailed information about country, regional, and global population patterns.

                            "Even with declining fertility rates in many countries, world population is still growing at a rapid rate,” said Bill Butz, PRB's president. "The increase from 6 billion to 7 billion is likely to take 12 years, as did the increase from 5 billion to 6 billion. Both events are unprecedented in world history."

                            The projection for population growth in developing countries assumes that fertility in those countries will fall to the same low levels as in today's developed countries, around two children per woman. That is quite an assumption. Currently, the highest fertility rate is in Niger, 7.4 children per woman. The lowest rate is in Taiwan, 1.0 children per woman.

                            "The great bulk of today's 1.2 billion youth—nearly 90 percent—are in developing countries," said Carl Haub, PRB senior demographer and co-author of the data sheet. Eight in 10 of those youth live in Africa and Asia. "During the next few decades, these young people will most likely continue the current trend of moving from rural areas to cities in search of education and training opportunities, gainful employment, and adequate health care." One of the major social questions of the next few decades is whether their expectations will be met.
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                              Re: Population control called key to deal

                              The though of 2 centarians F^*^*^G fills me with a visual horror I can not describe.


                              On a more serious note. I say we sacrifice all the population control proponents first to control population.
                              We are all little cockroaches running around guessing when the FED will turn OFF the Lights.

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