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    What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

    While the mainstream media hypes bogus statistics and endless propaganda about the economic "recovery," and Wall Street pockets billions in bonuses, abject poverty is rising while the government dithers away trillions.

    I define abject poverty as lacking shelter and sufficient food to stave off hunger. By this simple measure, abject poverty is rising in the U.S. even as Wall Street pockets billions in bonuses, the government squanders $2 billion a day in Afghanistan and trillions more on toxic mortgage securities and other bailouts of the Power Elites.

    Yes, there are homeless shelters and food stamps, but the reality of how many are living on the knife-edge financially is not captured in the usual (manipulated and massaged) government statistics.

    The reality is better captured by this item from BusinessWeek's December 16 issue:
    Almost half (46%) of 2,148 consumers surveyed recently said they weren't confident they could come up with $2,000 within a month in a crisis--from savings, family, friends, credit cards or other sources. Even among those earning $100,000 to $149,000 a year. almost 25% doubted they could raise it, according to the survey conducted by research firm TNS with academics from Harvard Business School and Dartmouth College.
    "We wanted to know if people could fix a broken car or furnace," says Harvard finance professor Peter Tufano, who adds that most studies he has seen measure "how much cash people have... not how much they can access."
    The survey results surprised him. "The ability to cope with emergencies is much less strong than we might have thought."
    This survey offers a staggering set of implications. Let's grant that we have no idea if the survey was scientific, but we can assume that the academics from Harvard Business School and Dartmouth College would not besmirch their reputations with wildly inaccurate or fatally unrigorous data collection.

    Let's follow the idea that 25% of households earning $100,000+ can't lay their hands on a meager $2,000. First off, only about 20% of households earn above $100K. Most households make do on a sum closer to the national median of $46,000.

    What does it mean when households not only don't have $2,000 in cash (savings), but they also lack the ability to put their hands on $2,000 from family, friends, or even credit cards?

    We can surmise:

    1. Their social/family networks are either threadbare or populated by others without savings or credit;

    2. Their creditworthiness is near-zero. Either they've maxed out the credit they once had, or their previous credit lines have been cut off in the general reduction of risk/credit, or they are in arrears/default and thus have zero credit.

    It's also possible, and perhaps even probable (though we have no data to support this projection) that both are true: most of those in Americans' social networks are in dire straits/hanging by a financial thread and their access to credit either private or institutional is near-zero.

    We might even extend our query deeper into social networking, and speculate that many Americans no longer possess a social network populated with people who they could ask for a loan. (A 1,000 "friends" on Facebook might not replace even one real friend.)

    We might also speculate that many citizens are now wary of loaning their dwindling precious reserves of cash to anyone, even friends, who they rightly anticipate will be unable to pay back the loan if the economy continues devolving.

    Perhaps the cultural ethics of the nation have been so eroded by the endless (and apparently richly rewarding) scams, fraud, embezzlement, cheating and lying that people no longer trust even their friends to act with fiscal responsibility--a suspicion fueled, perhaps, by the very fact that few were able to save even a paltry $2,000 for a rainy day.

    Or it may just be that the majority of Americans are essentially one paycheck or unemployment check away from homelessness and hunger, and thus the social networks of most households are populated by others in the same general economic situation.

    If so, we might ask: why have so many households failed to save even a modest sum? Let's grant that many households may well have already consumed their savings as job and pay cuts eroded household income. Medical emergencies alone apparently account for a significant percentage of financial ruination (foreclosures and bankruptcies).

    But we would be remiss not to ask if some households have done better than others as the bogus prosperity evaporated, and if so, why. The answer is not difficult but it is terribly painful to those embedded in American culture's permanent adolescence: long-term shared sacrifice.

    Those of you who reside in states with large immigrant populations probably know families who bought a home, and by combining three, four or even five incomes, paid off the mortgage in a few years. Was this possible if every household worker spent lavishly on consumer goods and the "luxury lifestyle" propagandized by TV? No. It was only possible if all the earners in the household rejected consumerist appeals to squander money and chose instead to sacrifice desires for the greater good, i.e. reducing the mortgage to zero and assemble a substantial savings (six figures in many cases).

    Such thrift was commonplace in the post-Depression decades. People did not trust banks, hence my grandmother has six savings accounts, most with modest sums--she owned more savings accounts than dresses.

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    Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

    The title line is exactly right.

    This seems to be very true, although not maintaining enough cash flow to come up with $2k in a month at ~$100-150k/household/year is ill advised to say the least.

    Likely the problem stems from rising unemployment and an eroded purchasing power through the elimination of home equity and credit extended on the auspices of eternal capital appreciation from real estate as well as decreased purchasing power per dollar.

    With this being said, the 2010 census could really rock the boat in terms of low-income numbers. With how much policy gets set on census data, I truly believe this could be a watershed and color the next decade in a progressive way.

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    • #3
      Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

      Seriously, people making 100-150k a month couldn't come up with 2k in a month in an emergency situation? You telling me that don't have some things they could sell on ebay. They don't have anything they could pawn? They couldn't come up with some creative jobs? A month is a long time to come up with 2k.

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      • #4
        Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

        Originally posted by Kadriana View Post
        Seriously, people making 100-150k a month couldn't come up with 2k in a month in an emergency situation? You telling me that don't have some things they could sell on ebay. They don't have anything they could pawn? They couldn't come up with some creative jobs? A month is a long time to come up with 2k.
        Well, it's 100K a year (gross). Net after taxes would be substantially less of course.

        I know several people in this type of situation. They either:
        a ) Bought too much house and are now underwater
        b ) Keeping up with the Jones and spending every dime to do so
        c ) Are spending every dime on their kids (they indulge their kids to ridiculous levels -- but for a few, this is college spending to send their kids to the "best" schools)

        And as for selling/pawning, you're right. But you'd be amazed at how many of these people have no clue on how to do this -- or worse, their pride gets in the way.

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        • #5
          Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

          Selling items on Ebay and landing extra work to fund emergency cash requirements.....this takes time and in an emergency time is very short.


          Please have some empathy for these people. Many are the victims of :

          1. a Government that promoted Home Ownership as the Route to Wealth,
          2. a Government that promotes 401K plans as the Route to a happy retirement meanwhile all Government employees keep their Defined Pension plans.
          3. Adjustable rate mortgages recommended by the Head of the Federal Reserve,
          4. parents who had Pension jobs and never saved regularly,
          5. education system that doesn't teach children how a fractional reserve banking system works
          6. A government that has promoted Policies that caused Manufacturers to leave the United States.

          I've attempted to educate friends and family in the last few years and its a fool errand. People cannot be convinced that the mis-information they have received over their entire lives is wrong. Attempts to counter act any of the above held beliefs results in anger and scorn.

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            Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

            Originally posted by jpatter666 View Post
            Well, it's 100K a year (gross). Net after taxes would be substantially less of course.

            I know several people in this type of situation. They either:
            a ) Bought too much house and are now underwater
            b ) Keeping up with the Jones and spending every dime to do so
            c ) Are spending every dime on their kids (they indulge their kids to ridiculous levels -- but for a few, this is college spending to send their kids to the "best" schools)

            And as for selling/pawning, you're right. But you'd be amazed at how many of these people have no clue on how to do this -- or worse, their pride gets in the way.
            I'm guessing it's more of a case that they won't than they can't unless they live in a bare house and have already sold everything. It said crisis situation so I'm thinking a situation where they would be highly motivated to find the money. What would these people do if food and gas doubles or triples? Even if we didn't have an emergency fund I could come up with about at least 30 ways to come up with more money that are all legal.

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            • #7
              Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

              Originally posted by BK View Post
              Selling items on Ebay and landing extra work to fund emergency cash requirements.....this takes time and in an emergency time is very short.


              Please have some empathy for these people. Many are the victims of :

              1. a Government that promoted Home Ownership as the Route to Wealth,
              2. a Government that promotes 401K plans as the Route to a happy retirement meanwhile all Government employees keep their Defined Pension plans.
              3. Adjustable rate mortgages recommended by the Head of the Federal Reserve,
              4. parents who had Pension jobs and never saved regularly,
              5. education system that doesn't teach children how a fractional reserve banking system works
              6. A government that has promoted Policies that caused Manufacturers to leave the United States.

              I've attempted to educate friends and family in the last few years and its a fool errand. People cannot be convinced that the mis-information they have received over their entire lives is wrong. Attempts to counter act any of the above held beliefs results in anger and scorn.
              Good points and I too have given up trying to convince my friends and family that they have been brainwashed.

              As far as coming up with $2k, I think most could if they really wanted to. Most Americans are just really soft and unwilling to give up much. They are in the habit of spending. Things they see as necessities are really nothing of the sort. I have a part time employee who lived for six months without natural gas at his home because he "couldn't pay the bill". Yet he owns two vehicles and had four or five guns he could have sold to pay the bill for years in advance. :eek: He still tells me of the great steaks he cooked on his new grill, while being almost thrown in jail due to not paying child support. I haven't eaten steak in two years. Freaking nuts.

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              • #8
                Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                Originally posted by jpatter666 View Post
                Well, it's 100K a year (gross). Net after taxes would be substantially less of course.

                I know several people in this type of situation. They either:
                a ) Bought too much house and are now underwater
                b ) Keeping up with the Jones and spending every dime to do so
                c ) Are spending every dime on their kids (they indulge their kids to ridiculous levels -- but for a few, this is college spending to send their kids to the "best" schools)

                And as for selling/pawning, you're right. But you'd be amazed at how many of these people have no clue on how to do this -- or worse, their pride gets in the way.
                Exactly right about indulging the kids. The guy who painted my house had to borrow money from me for gas to get home one day. Later I found out his little princess owned a horse. I had hired him to help him out through some hard times, even though my house didn't really need painting that badly. I was more than a little pissed when I heard about the horse.:rolleyes:

                We have people on our street sending their kids to private school despite being broke and about to be foreclosed on. And the public schools here are excellent! We are talking 7 year old kids here, not college.

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                • #9
                  Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                  My point about raising $2000 -is that it doesn't take you far in an emergency - especially if you have 2-3 kids and live on West or East Coast. Imagine having to move and continue to buy food - $2000 would delay the inevitable of hitting bottom.

                  We regularly save, regularly sell items we don't need - but, it feels like prices are dropping on the resale of items on Ebay and items are not selling more often. The world is becoming as frugal as I am.

                  In a true Crisis/Emergency the ideas of selling items or landing extra work often doesn't work!

                  My only hope is to educate my child about how Money works, how to avoid debt, and never-ever trust a politician/bureaucrat!

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                  • #10
                    Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                    Amen to that.

                    And I don't use Ebay much anymore because of dropping prices and higher fees. My wife had a nice little business going on there for a while. But seems the bad times have everyone looking to do the same.

                    Times are really bad for many, despite what you hear on the news.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                      Decades ago I was an editor. A common way to get ideas for stories to meet a deadline is to redo a story that was run several years ago. I recall a story in the Wall Street Journal about 30 years ago in which young professionals were asked if they could raise $ 3 K in ready cash on short notice. Almost none could. We were not in a recession at the time. These surveys are unscientific. No system on the sampling or on the interpretation of the question. Those questioned might take it to mean whether they have a $ 2 K balance in thier checking account. Clearly we have always had a large segment of the population who were in dire straights, I've known a lot of them personally. Clearly also, the number of people going to food banks is way up. There is a serious problem, but we do not learn about it from stories like this. This is entertainment, not news.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                        Of my three direct neighbors, one lost his job but was lucky enough to find a new position in the same company but that is based in another state. He couldn't sell the house he just bought so now works from home on his computer and travels a lot more than he wants. They seem to be making ends meet and were lucky enough to buy their place after the first 20% drop. Another neighbor is again living in his house that was apparently going into foreclosure three months ago. He and his family were gone for a month and are now back, I do not know the specifics of how that worked or what happened. Lastly, is a couple that refinanced just 6 months ago. They took out what they could on a place owned for 14 years. She is a teacher and he has been unable to get VC funding for his startup. She made jewelry to sell at a school fundraiser this year to buy Christmas gifts. His mother has advanced Alzheimer's, has finally blown through all of her once very substantial sum of cash, and was flown up here after his brother ran out of funds trying to keep her in an assisted living facility. He maxed his credit cards to get to this point but eventually had to cry uncle. The mother is now in limbo in the medical system and they are hoping for psychiatric placement as they have no other options and she is not safe to live at home. I have been not only very busy with my own life, working nights this week and helping my wife look after our two great young kids, but have been trying to help my neighbors sort out this mess and navigate their mom through the byzantine labyrinth of medicare and medicaid to get her a placement that is appropriate. People here are sssstttttrrrreeeettttcccccchhhhheeeeeddddd.

                        We live in one of the nicest sections of town.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                          Originally posted by Jay View Post
                          Of my three direct neighbors, one lost his job but was lucky enough to find a new position in the same company but that is based in another state. He couldn't sell the house he just bought so now works from home on his computer and travels a lot more than he wants. They seem to be making ends meet and were lucky enough to buy their place after the first 20% drop. Another neighbor is again living in his house that was apparently going into foreclosure three months ago. He and his family were gone for a month and are now back, I do not know the specifics of how that worked or what happened. Lastly, is a couple that refinanced just 6 months ago. They took out what they could on a place owned for 14 years. She is a teacher and he has been unable to get VC funding for his startup. She made jewelry to sell at a school fundraiser this year to buy Christmas gifts. His mother has advanced Alzheimer's, has finally blown through all of her once very substantial sum of cash, and was flown up here after his brother ran out of funds trying to keep her in an assisted living facility. He maxed his credit cards to get to this point but eventually had to cry uncle. The mother is now in limbo in the medical system and they are hoping for psychiatric placement as they have no other options and she is not safe to live at home. I have been not only very busy with my own life, working nights this week and helping my wife look after our two great young kids, but have been trying to help my neighbors sort out this mess and navigate their mom through the byzantine labyrinth of medicare and medicaid to get her a placement that is appropriate. People here are sssstttttrrrreeeettttcccccchhhhheeeeeddddd.

                          We live in one of the nicest sections of town.
                          Very interesting post Jay......

                          Personally, I've noticed a VERY distinct change amongst family, friends, and neighbours in the US in the last 6 months that seems to be accelerating.

                          My In-Laws are up to their eyeballs in RE investment debt with limited cashflow....I tried giving them a softly, softly pitch 3 years ago to no avail, 2 years ago with a tougher pitch to no avail, and now they prefer to only speak with my wife.......

                          My wife's aunt/uncle own a construction company that specializes in VERY high end residential homes......visiting them in 2007 and discussing what was in front of us, they brushed it off claiming they would be completely immune...they aren't.....BIG haircut to their decades long VERY high end lifestyle..same goes for their kids formerly very successful high end landscaping business.....

                          My wife's Grandfather who is still worth a heap from his days as a senior legal eagle with GM as a client(enough to have a small college named after him and his deceased wife) has recently acknowledged the conversations he was in attendance with his children(my wife's parents and aunt/uncle) where my opinions were discarded in 2007 has admitted to me that he will likely be spending every last penny trying to prop up his two kids.....

                          My parents....unknown....they were always financially conservative, but they did go a bit nuts in buying the high end cars they alweays talked about but never did.....until they actually did.....very hard to gauge as it's verboten for my Dad to ask advice from me....he think's it's a one way street.....

                          My brother is a financial basket case...he's all image.....American Middle Class Consumer Lemming #1 married to wife/lemming #2 and they perpetually battle to stay above water even when times were "good". My brother's step daughter "had" to go to France to "study" art/dance for big money without any formal qualification.....

                          My sister and her husband are more conservative, but they earn very good money....they own a trophy home, with trophy cars, other trophy toys, and now two kids(my nephews)...the numbers simply don't stack up.....

                          A bunch of very close friends in the US have all(averaging 1 a month this year) unexpectantly lost their jobs in short order with no prospects.....mostly single late 30's guys formerly home owners now moving in and renting together.....

                          Another close friend who's a VP of a small regional bank that looked risky 6 months ago and he claimed was "solid" now ISN'T so solid......

                          Back here local in NZ, in a conservative upper middle class beachfront neighbourhood, I've got one neighbour with a razor thin military affiliation who is BARELY an acquaintance stopping by unannounced to awkwardly borrow some gas money......

                          Our other neighbour who just got back from a very expensive holiday trip to the US just asked my wife if I could do her gardening for her or to somehow justify US paying for HER gardening(unkempt trees/plants on her property encroaching on her/our property) as she is looking to sell her beachfront home since her formerly mortgage free home from the divorce is now fully mortgaged......and she's broke......

                          Studying my brother and his kind, I'm convinced the malls are chocker full all the time simply based on the Dawn of the Dead doctrine.......the mall brain cell is the first/last synaptic gap that sparks.....no money/no credit doesn't slow the lemming migration....so mall parking lots are a poor economic indicator.

                          I'm tempted to move to the family to the farm, milk some cows, do some hunting, and chop down the Sky TV dish and hide in a "hole" for a few years.......I can't imagine the emotional toll improving anytime soon.......maybe that's one cause of the less frequent recent posting of EJ/Fred......financially our family has been very well prepared...but emotionally I really just want to smack a couple people.

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                          • #14
                            Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                            Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                            Very interesting post Jay......

                            Personally, I've noticed a VERY distinct change amongst family, friends, and neighbours in the US in the last 6 months that seems to be accelerating.

                            ....

                            I'm tempted to move to the family to the farm, milk some cows, do some hunting, and chop down the Sky TV dish and hide in a "hole" for a few years.......I can't imagine the emotional toll improving anytime soon.......maybe that's one cause of the less frequent recent posting of EJ/Fred......financially our family has been very well prepared...but emotionally I really just want to smack a couple people.
                            I'll bet just about everyone on the forum could tell similar tales. I'm about the only person I know who isn't up to their eyeballs in debt they'll never be able to repay. The last couple of years I've found myself sort of dropping below the radar screen to avoid getting hit on by my friends and relatives who have squandered millions while I was still in medical school and residency living on very slim to zero income. The tables turned and my education finally paid off. Meanwhile, the many cars, boats, jet skiis, vacations, etc my college friends and family members 'invested' in during my lean years have all turned to junk or worse, they still owe money on all that crap. I found out a long time ago that any money loaned to old friends or family is seen as a gift, never to be repaid, spent on cable TV or credit card interest. LOL. :rolleyes:

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                            • #15
                              Re: What Must Be Addressed: Rising Abject Poverty

                              For a first-person view, I turn to correspondent Doug W.:
                              For 2-1/2+ years, I have been analyzing, discussing and discussing the Economic Maelstrom we are in and it's potential social, political and international relations effects, but yesterday and today I saw an actual effect of this relentless unforgiving Storm. Because I shut down internet and cable to my house, I use the computer at a branch of the Monmouth County (N.J.) Library System. This is located in an affluent town a few miles south of Red Bank & Rumson (a very wealthy town).
                              Yesterday at about 4:30 PM, I parked my car near a late-90s Toyota Carmry loaded to the roof with bags, clothes, suitcases and boxes. There was a woman in her fifties --I think--sitting in the car; I thought she was getting ready to leave. I went in to use the computer. When I left at 6:15 PM she was still there. I realized she was homeless. As I drove home, I remembered all the stories I've read in newspapers, on FinancialArmageddon.com, and elsewhere over the last two years about formerly middle-class people losing their jobs and then their homes and living in their cars; I realized how close I have come to that fate.
                              People who have never known homelessness or financial fear are now shell-shocked by forces they don't understand.
                              At about 1 AM I woke up (I haven't slept well for more than a year). It was raining very hard and it was cold out and I wondered about the woman at the library; and the countless millions of families and individuals on the edge of financial-economic oblivion around our once wealthy country worrying about what tomorrow will bring.
                              I realized how lucky I am --even though I must sell (or lose) my home of 24 years-- to have some investments and a home with NO DEBT in South Carolina to which I can retreat.
                              I just arrived here at the library a few minutes ago...the lady is still sitting in her car in the same parking spot.
                              This is very very sad to read. I suspect there must be a lot of people in the same situation. Bills come in and you have no work or chance to find ANY work you would be willing to do.

                              I once found myself in such a situation and was stunned to be hearing I was overqualified for jobs. That Lesson was invaluable and luckily for me came during one of those milder Recessions.
                              Last edited by Shakespear; December 10, 2009, 08:05 AM.

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