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    The Dubai Financial Nuke

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    What was really odd about yesterday was that we saw a big dollar breakout, but Treasuries fell heavily. We are now believed to be on the verge of another massive deflationary downwave, similar to last year, but worse. However, this time it is very possible that while we will see a flight to cash, we will not witness a stampede into Treasuries, or at least not on anywhere near the same scale. So what is going on here? - what are the principal underlying dynamics? Anyone who has had the misfortune to watch a nuke exploding, misfortune because you get irradiated, knows that first you see a very bright flash, then there is a period of tranquillity as the flash dies down and the mushroom cloud starts to rise, before the shockwave hits, when things get pretty rough to say the least.


    You've seen the flash - now get ready for the shockwave...

    What happened in Dubai just over a week ago was the bright flash, and the media have used the intervening period before the shockwave hits to reassure everyone that everything is going to be just fine - "You just relax, nothing will come of it, it's only $60 billion down the drain or whatever - have a cup of tea". The trouble is that it's not $60 billion at all - the reality is that this is a default on a massively larger scale. Dubai was a vast sinkhole into which western banks and governments unquestioningly poured not just billions but trillions of dollars which was then leveraged enormously by means of derivatives enabling Dubai to build itself up into a latter day Rome, with a level of opulence and extravagence that would have made Caesar green with envy.


    When people think of Dubai the things that come to mind are the massively extravagent 7-star hotels, the towering record breaking skyscraper, palm-shaped island resort complexes etc and forests of new office buildings and apartments etc. What the vast majority don't realize is that the stupendous leverage afforded by derivatives has in addition enabled Dubai to create an immense global empire of businesses, most of the elements of which are broke, having racked up staggering levels of debt. Dubai is the nexus of the derivatives pyramid and it is flat, stony broke. Where did all the money come from to pay for all these things? - why from taxpayers and pension fund contributors the world over of course, but especially in the US, with Wall St acting as a giant conduit sluicing a torrent of cash into Dubai. The interesting thing is that there was never any accountability - countries and companies vied with each other for the privilege of pumping money into the exalted kingdom, seduced by its supposedly limitless oil wealth, and requesting or requiring guarantees was regarded as impolite. Now that Dubai is broke, the Dubai government has suddenly distanced itself from Dubai World, and the attitude towards the Western banks and governments who have poured trillions into Dubai is "Tough luck - you lose, suckers". What this means is that trillions of dollars which are now counted as assets on the balance sheets of banks worldwide and especially in the US are actually liabilities. So what do you think is going to happen to the stock prices of these banks - and stockmarkets generally, when the world wakes up and acknowledges this reality - when the shockwave hits?? Small wonder that the charts for Goldman Sachs and J P Morgan look very like the market charts before the '87 crash, but that was "small potatoes" compared to what is coming down the pipe this time.
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    Dang, this guy makes Jim Willie, CB (the Golden Jackass) sound like a naive optimist. What kind of street 'cred does this author, Clive Maund, have? Should I grab my ejection seat handle and pull hard, right now?
    Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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      Maybe the South Carolina governor is smarter than we think. Perhaps he was gathering survival data from Argentina ;).

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        Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
        What kind of street 'cred does this author, Clive Maund, have?
        Well, Mr. Maund is not perfect. He called a market top and time to short back in May 2009, in If You are Long the Broad US Stockmarket - Prepare to Get Buried.

        My key question is whether he knows what he's talking about when he says that Dubai is leveraged trillions of dollars. I had not read that elsewhere, so am still looking for confirmation. The couple of earlier posts of his I've read are sensible enough tech analysis of gold, dollar and such (even if he too is not perfect.) I haven't seen anything yet that tells me he would be the first to know if Dubai was so leveraged it could take down major British or other banks.
        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          Remember that banking is a game of leverage (assume a conservative 30:1 leverage) -- the Dubai debt is nominally $60B -- could be more if other Dubai entities also meltdown.

          If the banks are able to recover 60 cents on the dollar (quite optimistic,) then they have to write off ~$25B from their equity. This means that they have to call in $25B times 30 = $750B of loans. Since many of these loans are to hedge funds and other leveraged entities, the leverage ripple may conservatively be multiplied by a factor of 3 -- so a reduction in money supply of $2.5 trillion.

          What impact this may have will be determined by and by

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            Dennis Gartman was on the radio[*] hereabouts couple of days ago, claiming US exposure was minimal - some Eurozone banks might be very hard hit, but the US and Canada would be relatively unscathed.

            He sounded convincing, although I noted he gave zero real data, just his own opinion/conclusions. Also missing was the observation that a LOT of that money came back this way (or NY's way, into US assets (mostly premium assets - gotta keep up appearances if you're seen as representinga royal family, right?) bidding up the prices).

            It will be interesting to see which assets decline most in the coming months - various choice real estate in London or NY. I'm guessing more in London, but plenty in NY too.

            [*] when did he become a go-to guy on these issues, anyway?

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              Re: The Dubai Financial Nuke

              I would like to hear what others think of the gold comments in this related article:

              http://www.rickackerman.com/wp-conte...ai-Wipeout.htm

              Dubai (aka Debt-Bai) real estate wipeout
              kicks off Stage 2 of the global depression

              Thank you...

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                Guarino appears to be a gold-plated deflationist (well, not gold-plated; he hates the stuff). I would imagine his subscription service is recommending zero-coupon bonds. He's talking about quantum easing or the Fed stepping on the yield curve, buying back long-term debt.

                On the Dubai question, I heard Marc Faber the other day pooh-pooh the significance of it in isolation, though he feels it will be the first of many sovereign debt crises, and he's on record as being a hyper-inflationist (at some undeterminable future date) for the USD.

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                  Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                  [*] when did he become a go-to guy on these issues, anyway?
                  Probably after this was introduced...

                  I expect we'll hear more of him up here since this thing trades only in Toronto...:rolleyes:
                  Horizons AlphaPro Gartman ETF (the “ETF”) is an exchange traded fund that has been created to provide investors with the opportunity for capital appreciation through exposure to the investment strategies of The Gartman Letter, L.C. (“Gartman”), founded by Dennis Gartman. The ETF will use equity securities, futures contracts and exchange traded funds to provide the it with long and short exposure to multiple asset classes which may include, but are not limited to, global equities, commodities, fixed income and currencies.
                  • Now trading on the TSX under the symbol HAG
                  Note the performance fee attached to this ETF...I think that's the first time I've seen such a thing [but I don't follow the ETF universe very closely].

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                    Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                    Dang, this guy makes Jim Willie, CB (the Golden Jackass) sound like a naive optimist. What kind of street 'cred does this author, Clive Maund, have? Should I grab my ejection seat handle and pull hard, right now?

                    Clive Maund is a regular contributer to Gold-Eagle.com with "Maund on Gold and Silver". I think of him as a technical chartist explain falling wedges and head-and-shoulders patterns. Many of his articles are available in the free editorial archive at that site.

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                      Yes, wasn't it just a year ago the $160 billion (AIG) was going to bring down the entire world financial system?

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                        Originally posted by kriden View Post
                        I would like to hear what others think of the gold comments in this related article:

                        http://www.rickackerman.com/wp-conte...ai-Wipeout.htm
                        Thanks for posting that. It has quite a bit more detail of the financial involvements of Dubai World. They weren't just building tall buildings in Dubai.

                        To quote from the article:
                        Wall Street wants you to believe the collapse of these companies is some small isolated event in a remote corner of the globe. As I will show you in this report, that is 100% FALSE.

                        Dubai is a central player in the world economy. It is the mother of all sovereign wealth funds. (Sovereign wealth funds are run and backed by sovereign national governments.)
                        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                          Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
                          [Dubait Financial Nuke]
                          Zerohedge some interesting stuff today on their CRE investments in NYC...

                          http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mor...square-w-hotel

                          "The WSJ reporting that Istithmar, the investment arm of Dubai's royal family, has lost the foreclosure auction for the Union Square W Hotel, which as we pointed out a month ago was the most likely next CRE casualty. The winner: mezzanine specialist LEM Capital. We wish them all the best. Presumably this means the bottle service at the Underbar has all but dried up. Do you see what happens Larry when the bouncer doesn't rotate the B&T crowd to keep the banker-folk happy? And this happening even with all-time record bonuses? Travesty.

                          ...

                          In more serious news, and as we speculated this weekend, look for the Mandarin Oriental Columbus Circle hotel to be the next foreclosure property, which just so happens is another Istithmar property, as is Times Square Six.

                          Some more on the crumbling hotel CRE situation from the WSJ:

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                          The foreclosure comes as Dubai World, the government-owned fund, is struggling with a mammoth debt load. As a result of its debt crisis, Dubai World is expected to sell some non-core assets including Central Park South landmark the Jumeirah Essex House, and the Knickerbocker Hotel in Times Square as it asked for a six-month freeze of its debt. "

                          Will this event, as it spreads, see gold + as a safe haven or gold - as a source of liquidity?

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                            Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
                            Clive Maund is a regular contributer to Gold-Eagle.com with "Maund on Gold and Silver". I think of him as a technical chartist explain falling wedges and head-and-shoulders patterns. Many of his articles are available in the free editorial archive at that site.
                            I've often used Clive as a contrarian indicator. He calls so many reversals, tops, bottoms... it's hard to keep track. I really like it when he comes out with things like triple fans, cups and handles, inverted flags... When you throw enough stuff out there, you've got a good chance of being right 50% of the time.

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                              C'mon now Sunsky, I'm only a mere mortal amongst all you oracle's here but even i can see that the bailing out of AIG was essential the alternatives where obviously not fancied by the rest of the global governing classes. Unfortunately like an earthquake, even when you survive the event the aftershocks are already waiting to level the rest of the infrastructure and in the really bad cases the first shock was actually only a preclude of what was to follow. The slow train wreck scenario continues me feels! ;-)

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