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  • Foreclosure Investment Fandango

    December 5, 2009
    Your Money

    Foreclosures Can Offer Deals, but Buyer Beware

    By TARA SIEGEL BERNARD

    So you’re looking to buy a new home, and you think a foreclosed house may be the best deal. You’ve probably noticed, then, that many of the big banks’ Web sites are beginning to look a bit like real estate brokerages, showcasing the many properties that they’ve repossessed.

    These houses often sell for about 15 to 20 percent less than comparable homes in the same neighborhood, according to the National Association of Realtors. And while the banks have been careful not to flood the market with all their properties at once, there are hundreds of thousands of listings now, and half a million more expected in the coming year.

    Despite the seemingly high inventory, though, anyone considering buying a distressed property should heed the classic warning: Caveat emptor, or let the buyer beware.

    Closing a deal in a desirable neighborhood can be hard to do. Many aspiring homeowners have lost out to all-cash bidders. Buyers also need to search more aggressively than usual, which means figuring out which brokers have the best foreclosure listings, religiously checking for new ones and visiting the properties shortly thereafter. Buyers also need to ensure that the home is truly a good deal and not a money pit — most of these homes are sold as is.

    Still, as Rick Sharga, senior vice president of RealtyTrac, a foreclosure listing service, put it, “The best discounts have been on bank-owned property.”

    If you are still interested in buying a distressed property, you have several options. You can buy it through a preforeclosure sale, at a public auction or through a bank or other entity that has taken ownership of the home — these properties are known as real estate owned, or R.E.O.’s.

    Below is a more detailed description of the potential risks and benefits of buying R.E.O.’s and preforeclosure transactions known as short sales, where the bank agrees to sell a home for less than is owed on the mortgage. Through October, foreclosures and short sales accounted for nearly 37 percent of all home sales, on average, according to the Realtors’ association.

    R.E.O.’s

    Traditional homebuyers are generally discouraged from buying homes at auction because there are too many risks — you can’t tour the inside of the home, which increases your chances of buying a house that will drain your bank account. Equally important, the home won’t necessarily have a clear title, which means there may be tax liens or other debts against the property. And when you buy the home, you buy those issues, too.

    One of the benefits of R.E.O.’s is that the bank typically clears any title issues before it puts the house on the market. “It’s easiest because there is a price already, there is access, you can do your estimate for repairs, and you can write your offer and go,” said Alexis McGee, president of Foreclosures.com, which lists foreclosures and offers classes for foreclosure investors.

    But you need to do your share of preparatory work. Start by getting acquainted with the listings in your target area. All R.E.O.’s are sold through an agent. You can find their listings directly on the big banks’ Web sites, like Bank of America and Wells Fargo, as well as regional banks like SunTrust. Fannie Mae offers its listings through the HomePath Web site and Freddie Mac through HomeSteps.

    You can also find free listings through independent brokerages like Redfin.com, which has a forum where you can compare notes with other buyers. If you pay a monthly fee, you can access sites that track distressed homes from the moment of default through foreclosure. These sites include RealtyTrac ($49.95 a month), Foreclosures.com ($49.95), and Foreclosure.com ($39.80), all of which provide a free weeklong trial.

    One of your first steps would be getting preapproved by a mortgage lender so that once you find a property you are interested in, you can move quickly. Call the listing agent, or hire a buyer’s agent to do it for you. (You should hire a buyer’s agent with experience in these types of sales anyway.

    In some states, the listing agents may refer you to someone else in their office to represent your interests, said Frank Verna, an R.E.O. broker in Jupiter, Fla.). Arrange to see the home as soon as possible. The bank selling the property may want you to be preapproved with their own lending arm, though you can always use another lender in the end, experts said.
    Most R.E.O.’s are sold as is, so buyers should make their offers contingent on a home inspection. It’s best to find inspectors who are also licensed contractors (with references), so they can estimate repair costs. Putting too many contingencies in your offer, however, is likely to derail your bid.

    Buyers also need to be prepared to lose to buyers with all cash. That’s what happened to Jason and Elise Hope, who have been searching for a small starter home in San Diego County for six months. The couple has made more than two dozen offers on bank-owned properties, and a couple of short sales, priced from $300,000 to $400,000.

    “For the most part, we never heard back from the listing agent,” said Mr. Hope, 28, who works as an equity research associate for a forensic accounting firm. “When we did hear back, we often heard the same story — that the listing had 10 to 20 offers on it, along with ours, within the first weekend of it being available for showing.”

    As Mr. Verna, the broker, explained: “In the R.E.O. world, cash is still king because there is no appraisal, last-minute quality checks or potential problems to kill the deal.”

    You may be able to increase your chances by making your best offer from the start. But to ensure you don’t overpay, research comparable sales on sites like Zillow.com or have your agent prepare a “comparative market analysis” for you. “You are negotiating with a calculator, and if the numbers don’t work for the seller, they just say no and move on,” Mr. Verna said.

    Fannie Mae does give prospective homebuyers a leg up. Last month, it introduced a program that shuts out investor buyers for the first 15 days a home is on the market. Moreover, Fannie also has a financing program, which allows buyers to put down as little as 3 percent and doesn’t require them to carry mortgage insurance. It also provides loans that allow borrowers to wrap in costs for home renovations.

    Freddie is testing a program that also initially shuts out investor buyers, and it is currently offering consumers who buy one of its properties up to 3.5 percent of a home’s purchase price, which can be used for closing costs, moving or even furnishings. The program was recently extended to buyers who submit a purchase offer by Jan. 31 and close by March 26. Primary homebuyers are also eligible for a two-year warranty on certain home repairs.

    Short Sales

    Short sales tend to be more problematic than R.E.O.’s. If you make an offer on an R.E.O., you can expect to get a response within a few days. With a short sale, experts say, it can take months. You also can’t necessarily trust the listing price.

    “It may easily be a teaser price just to get offers in,” said Carolyn Warren, author of a new book “Homebuyers Beware: Who’s Ripping You Off Now?” (FT Press). “It’s kind of like posting something on eBay. They are going to list it at a dollar, but they might only sell it for $1,000.”

    There are other potential problems as well. While the seller may be motivated, the bank has to be convinced of two things: “One is that the homeowner in question deserves a hardship exception,” Mr. Sharga of RealtyTrac said. “The second thing is that you have to convince it that it is market value, even though it is below the mortgage amount.”

    Complicating matters further, the homeowner may have more than one loan on the property, adding to the number of parties involved in the negotiations.

    All this lengthens the time to close a deal.

    You can get lucky, too. Michelle and Mark Gordon are happily living in a three-bedroom ranch that they bought through a short sale in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., in February. It took only three months to close — record time in the world of short sales. But Mrs. Gordon, a librarian who now stays home with her young daughter, did her homework and was aggressive in her search. She checked the listings religiously on Redfin.com, and saw the property the day after she found it.

    The Gordons paid $500,000 for the home, and the bank paid the $12,000 in closing costs. The property was recently valued at $537,500 on Zillow.com. “We painted two rooms,” Mrs. Gordon said. “That was it.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/yo...eals&st=Search



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    Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

    Originally posted by don View Post
    December 5, 2009
    Your Money

    Foreclosures Can Offer Deals, but Buyer Beware

    Thanks for posting the article, don.

    I going to buy, but will wait for better deals as the economy tanks further. The info in the article will be helpful.
    raja
    Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

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    • #3
      Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

      Originally posted by raja View Post
      Thanks for posting the article, don.

      I going to buy, but will wait for better deals as the economy tanks further. The info in the article will be helpful.
      This is a clip-and-save for us to, for the same reasons.

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      • #4
        Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

        Originally posted by don View Post
        You can get lucky, too. Michelle and Mark Gordon are happily living in a three-bedroom ranch that they bought through a short sale in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., in February. It took only three months to close — record time in the world of short sales. But Mrs. Gordon, a librarian who now stays home with her young daughter, did her homework and was aggressive in her search. She checked the listings religiously on Redfin.com, and saw the property the day after she found it.

        The Gordons paid $500,000 for the home, and the bank paid the $12,000 in closing costs. The property was recently valued at $537,500 on Zillow.com. “We painted two rooms,” Mrs. Gordon said. “That was it.”
        A 7% Zillow-based delta is meaningless. We'll see how lucky they feel once the Alt-A and Option ARM debacle hits CA in 2010-2012. Likely their 500K home will take a dive.



        Chart from Housing Wire article.

        Moral of this story: Don't catch a falling knife.

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        • #5
          Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

          I have found Zillow quite useful, though not in the way quoted. Here's my approach so far.

          Using Trulia.com, current RE listings are readily available. Using the enlarged map works best. Scan the prices of properties listed in the area you're interested in. Then switch the top left corner tab to Sold Houses. The map changes from green balloon listings to red balloon sold. The differential is essential info, as well as the timing of the sale. Now you can see the real comps in the neighborhood.

          Next pick a property of interest. Copy the address. Open a new tab and go to Zillow. Paste in the copied address. Take Zillow's opinion for what its worth but the real data is found in the charts. Choose all charts option. I use the longest, 10 years, to compare. The housing in question's rise and fall is plotted right there- including its sales history. Often the property tax is included. The charts also include zip code, town and state plotting options. The trends are clear.

          You now should have an up todate data look at the area you're interested in. Foreclosures are included as listing at Trulia but they're less complete then going to a site dedicated to those listings. Combine that hard info with your take on the overall (still crashing) RE market and decisions are easier and fact based.

          :cool:

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          • #6
            Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

            If you are interested in foreclosure homes - the best path is to wait for the FHA pipeline to overflow.

            My mother is a specialist in selling foreclosed FHA homes.

            In the early/mid '80s, large numbers of people bought homes using FHA loans due to the interest rates. By the late '80s, huge numbers of these homes were stacked up inside the FHA.

            Through weekly auctions (with a reserve price), this inventory took over a decade to clear out.

            Watching the inventories and sale prices vs. offering prices is probably the best way to gauge when the time to buy is - because the FHA is the entity which cares least about ROC.

            So far the indicators are clearly - not time yet.

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            • #7
              Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              If you are interested in foreclosure homes - the best path is to wait for the FHA pipeline to overflow.

              My mother is a specialist in selling foreclosed FHA homes.

              In the early/mid '80s, large numbers of people bought homes using FHA loans due to the interest rates. By the late '80s, huge numbers of these homes were stacked up inside the FHA.

              Through weekly auctions (with a reserve price), this inventory took over a decade to clear out.

              Watching the inventories and sale prices vs. offering prices is probably the best way to gauge when the time to buy is - because the FHA is the entity which cares least about ROC.

              So far the indicators are clearly - not time yet.
              Ah, so you have history with FHA... explains why you insist we're so fucked!

              FHA = Full of Hot Air

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              • #8
                Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                We've all seen this mortgage rate reset chart from Credit Suisse, but it is worth posting again. We are at the end of the final dip before resets pick up through mid 2012.

                http://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com...e-reset-chart/

                I wonder where mortgage rates will be in 2 years? My guess would be higher than they are today.

                http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ons_realestate
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                • #9
                  Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                  Originally posted by lsa420 View Post
                  We've all seen this mortgage rate reset chart from Credit Suisse, but it is worth posting again. We are at the end of the final dip before resets pick up through mid 2012.

                  http://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com...e-reset-chart/

                  I wonder where mortgage rates will be in 2 years? My guess would be higher than they are today.

                  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ons_realestate
                  Which should drop prices further. Low interest, tax credit fed stimulus tricks, Prop 13...all raise housing prices.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                    Originally posted by lsa420 View Post

                    I wonder where mortgage rates will be in 2 years? My guess would be higher than they are today.

                    I've said that every year since 2006.:eek:

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                    • #11
                      Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                      Originally posted by lsa420 View Post
                      We've all seen this mortgage rate reset chart from Credit Suisse, but it is worth posting again. We are at the end of the final dip before resets pick up through mid 2012.

                      http://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com...e-reset-chart/

                      I wonder where mortgage rates will be in 2 years? My guess would be higher than they are today.

                      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ons_realestate

                      And I would guess that over half of those that are going to default haven't even made it through the system yet.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                        Originally posted by swgprop View Post
                        A 7% Zillow-based delta is meaningless. We'll see how lucky they feel once the Alt-A and Option ARM debacle hits CA in 2010-2012. Likely their 500K home will take a dive.



                        Chart from Housing Wire article.

                        Moral of this story: Don't catch a falling knife.

                        X2!

                        Every property has a price that makes sense in terms of investing in RE, but what I see out there now in my area is no deal, despite the hoopla. IMO, the only people who'll end up making money on those deals are the RE brokers, home inspectors, appraisers, remodelers etc.

                        A good friend was going to buy a large but run down property in Atlanta. Short sale at $430k. His agent swore to him he could easily sell that property "as is" the next day for $500k, that it just needed the right marketing. Yeah right :rolleyes:. That was 6 months ago. My friend lost his job, so didn't end up buying. The house still sits, empty and unsold. Now listed at $400k.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                          Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                          X2!

                          Every property has a price that makes sense in terms of investing in RE, but what I see out there now in my area is no deal, despite the hoopla. IMO, the only people who'll end up making money on those deals are the RE brokers, home inspectors, appraisers, remodelers etc.

                          A good friend was going to buy a large but run down property in Atlanta. Short sale at $430k. His agent swore to him he could easily sell that property "as is" the next day for $500k, that it just needed the right marketing. Yeah right :rolleyes:. That was 6 months ago. My friend lost his job, so didn't end up buying. The house still sits, empty and unsold. Now listed at $400k.

                          Perhaps true that flipping is a no-win yet in general. I have two close friends doing quite well with a different strategy. They buy-and hold the RE and rent it. Requires much closer attention to the details (desirability of neighborhood, comparable rents, getting a truly good tenant…). They believe that as the slow-motion foreclosure disaster unfolds, evicted people need to live somewhere. So they buy cheap properties in dodgy neighborhoods out of foreclosure, and rent them to people who once lived in better neighborhoods. They’re both doing quite well, positive cash flow on all properties right after rental, all remodeling expenses recouped in the first year. If you can buy with cash, it might make sense.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                            Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
                            Perhaps true that flipping is a no-win yet in general. I have two close friends doing quite well with a different strategy. They buy-and hold the RE and rent it. Requires much closer attention to the details (desirability of neighborhood, comparable rents, getting a truly good tenant…). They believe that as the slow-motion foreclosure disaster unfolds, evicted people need to live somewhere. So they buy cheap properties in dodgy neighborhoods out of foreclosure, and rent them to people who once lived in better neighborhoods. They’re both doing quite well, positive cash flow on all properties right after rental, all remodeling expenses recouped in the first year. If you can buy with cash, it might make sense.
                            The key here is positive cash flow and conservative projections that include allocating up to 50% of rental income to maintenance and repairs. ROI calculations based on price appreciation assumptions are verboten. One professional landlord who has written a common sense oriented book on managing rentals - and who hails from your state - recommends a purchase price equal to 50x the monthly gross rent. Thus if you can rent a property for $600 per month you shouldn't pay more than $30K for it. I believe that scenario is viable in Ohio but not in my neck of the woods (yet).

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                            • #15
                              Re: Foreclosure Investment Fandango

                              Originally posted by swgprop View Post
                              The key here is positive cash flow and conservative projections that include allocating up to 50% of rental income to maintenance and repairs. ROI calculations based on price appreciation assumptions are verboten. One professional landlord who has written a common sense oriented book on managing rentals - and who hails from your state - recommends a purchase price equal to 50x the monthly gross rent. Thus if you can rent a property for $600 per month you shouldn't pay more than $30K for it. I believe that scenario is viable in Ohio but not in my neck of the woods (yet).

                              Your numbers are spot-on. One of my chums is actually buying properties for half that in really lousy neighborhoods and getting about that much rent. There seems to be a floor of about $600 per month in this area for renting a home, with a wide range of housing quality at the same bottom price. The people with better credit and documented good history get a 900 sq foot detached house with a yard and garage. Those without get half a duplex or an old apartment in a brick 4-unit at the same price but in a worst-case neighborhood traditionally plagued by drugs and crime.

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