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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...fUB9wD9CC4E203

    Treasury prices drop on oversupply concerns

    By STEPHEN BERNARD (AP) – 16 hours ago

    NEW YORK — Treasury prices fell Thursday amid worries about an increase in debt supply.

    Bond yields, which move opposite to their prices, had fallen too low in recent days to make new debt being auctioned next week very attractive, said Nick Kalivas, a vice president of financial research at MF Global. Investors typically sell out of Treasurys ahead of auctions to maximize yields on the new debt being issued.

    The government is scheduled to sell three-year notes, 10-year notes and 30-year bonds next week.

    Capital raising plans by Bank of America Corp. and rumors Japan might sell as much as $100 billion of its U.S. Treasurys holdings helped fuel Thursday's sell-off.

    Tom di Galoma, head of U.S. rates trading at Guggenheim Partners, said the Japan talk is "pure speculation at this point." However, he said the market is prone to trade on rumors when there is little hard news to move it.

    The price of the 10-year Treasury note, which is often used as a benchmark for consumer loans, fell 18/32 to 99 30/32 in late trading. That sent its yield up to 3.38 percent from 3.32 percent late Wednesday.

    If concerns about oversupply continue to grow, the yield on the 10-year note could go as high as 3.50 percent, MF Global's Kalivas said.

    Charlotte, N.C.-based Bank of America is expected to raise nearly $20 billion in the coming days to help repay government loans it received during the peak of the credit crisis, further adding to concerns of saturation on credit markets.

    The worries about a glut of supply in bond markets comes at the same time central banks are planning to curtail programs that have kept interest rates low and boosted demand for debt.

    European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet said Thursday the bank will start winding down some of the measures it took to stimulate the economy and credit markets. The end of those programs could push interest rates higher and weaken demand for bonds.

    Many analysts say the bond market was due for a sell-off anyway following its surge last week. Treasurys had risen sharply amid worries that a Dubai investment fund could default on its debt and touch off a new round of broader credit problems. Those concerns have since eased, opening the way for Treasury prices to drop to levels they were trading at before the scare.

    Yields on the 10-year note fell as low as 3.20 percent on Monday. Thirty-year bond yields dropped as low as 4.20 percent. That helped mortgage rtes, which often track bond yields, fall to a record low this week of 4.71 percent, according to Freddie Mac.

    The Labor Department's report on November employment is likely to affect trading Friday. An increase in the unemployment rate could spook investors and push them back into safe havens like government-backed debt.

    Stock fell late Thursday ahead of the report. The Dow Jones industrial average dropped 87 points.

    In other trading, the price of the 30-year bond fell 1 10/32 to 100 21/32. Its yield rose to 4.34 percent from 4.25 percent.

    The price of the three-year note fell 2/32 to 100 16/32, sending its yield up to 1.20 percent from 1.18 percent.

    The yield on the three-month T-bill was flat at 0.04 percent. Its discount rate was at 0.05 percent.

    The cost of borrowing between banks increased fractionally. The British Bankers' Association said the rate on three-month loans in dollars — the London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor — rose to 0.2553 percent from 0.2550 percent.
    All right, the next trade is here!!!

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    Japan Says No Plan to Sell Treasuries to Fund Budget
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aNkpz_H52KfI



    By Takashi Hirokawa and Sachiko Sakamaki

    Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Japan’s government has no plan to sell some of its holdings of U.S. Treasuries to fund its economic programs, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirofumi Hirano said.

    Market News yesterday reported speculation that Japan, the world’s second-largest holder of Treasury debt, will tell the U.S. it plans to sell $100 billion to finance domestic spending. Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama is set to announce his first stimulus package today, and has said he won’t increase domestic bond sales to fund it because of record government debt.

    “There’s absolutely no such plan right now,” Hirano told reporters today in Tokyo. “That kind of talk often surfaces at this season.”

    Japan bought $20.3 billion in Treasuries in September to raise its holdings to $751.5 billion, while China purchased $1.8 billion to increase its total to $798.9 billion, the U.S. Treasury Department said on Nov. 17.

    “Japanese investors -- public and private -- have bought $125 billion of Treasury bonds in the first nine months of the year,” New York-based Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. global head of currency strategy Marc Chandler wrote yesterday in a note to clients. “While we too suspect the rumors are likely unfounded, the Japanese fiscal situation is in poor shape and the government wants to curb new JGB issuance.”

    To contact the reporters on this story: Takashi Hirokawa in Tokyo at thirokawa@bloomberg.net

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      Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

      is the big pull back in gold, euro and yen related to this?


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        Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

        Dollar is up big:

        http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=dmax

        UpDownUpDown... lather, rinse, repeat...

        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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        • #5
          Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

          Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
          is the big pull back in gold, euro and yen related to this?
          why is a rumor of dollar selling by japan dollar positive, yen negative, euro negative & gold negative? you'd expect the opposite, no? because it might push ust yields higher... make them more attractive?

          edit... meant ust yields not prices.
          Last edited by metalman; December 04, 2009, 01:17 PM.

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            Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

            This became obvious over the last couple of weeks as Japanese leaders have been squirming about the Yen.

            obviously take advantage of the oil and gold corrections.

            natural gas prices went down earlier this week after 8-14 day weather forecasts were revised upwards in terms of temperatures. That can change on the fly. here's a link: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...ctions/814day/

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              Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

              Hhmmmmm funny

              FED Buys its own POOP( March 09), up goes the market, down goes dollar and interest rates.

              FED stops buying its own POOP (approx Dec 09), things reverse to mean..

              Will gold do a mini OIL sell off...BUY GOLD UNDER $1000, oops $800 maybe!

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                Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                Whoever has information about this type of news must be making a KILLING. GS ????:p

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                  Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                  Originally posted by metalman View Post
                  why is a rumor of dollar selling by japan dollar positive, yen negative, euro negative & gold negative? you'd expect the opposite, no? because it might push ust yields higher... make them more attractive?

                  edit... meant ust yields not prices.
                  Why would Japan want to strengthen the Yen!!!????

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                    Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                    Originally posted by goadam1 View Post
                    Why would Japan want to strengthen the Yen!!!????
                    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a1t..GfHkoNY

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                      Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                      Oh boy here we go...

                      Treasuries are not cash. Sooo...

                      Japan sells Treasuries --- into the market ---->

                      Japan <---- receives cash $ taking it out of the market, unless of course the cash comes from the FED.

                      -----------------------------------------------------
                      Think about FOMC type of operations.
                      ----------------------------------------------------

                      Now, Japan has cash to spend $ into the domestic or foreign economy.

                      So, since it is Japan, the cash $ will go somewhere outside of their domestic economy --- Maybe to buy goods and services ---> (Oil, Transport, raw materials)

                      However, in the short term, the dollar strengthens and the Yen weakens...

                      But to have a better and clear picture, just map out the whole credit cycle. Treasuries can become cash if the seller of goods and services is willing to trade for Treasuries.
                      Last edited by Sapiens; December 04, 2009, 05:50 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                        Thats the effect of a strong yen. So they export there whole infrastructure instead of exports and have a comfy managerial and financial class at home? But many get poorer? Who does that sound like?

                        I'm pretty sure they want to weaken the Yen.

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                          Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                          Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                          Oh boy here we go...

                          Treasuries are not cash. Sooo...

                          Japan sells Treasuries --- into the market ---->

                          Japan <---- receives cash $ taking it out of the market, unless of course the cash comes from the FED.

                          -----------------------------------------------------
                          Think about FOMC type of operations.
                          ----------------------------------------------------

                          Now, Japan has cash to spend $ into the domestic or foreign economy.

                          So, since it is Japan, the cash $ will go somewhere outside of their domestic economy --- Maybe to buy goods and services ---> (Oil, Transport, raw materials)

                          However, in the short term, the dollar strengthens and the Yen weakens...

                          But to have a better and clear picture, just map out the whole credit cycle. Treasuries can become cash if the seller of goods and services is willing to trade for Treasuries.
                          When the US primary dealers buy Treasuries, they pay cash right?

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                            Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                            Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                            Hhmmmmm funny

                            FED Buys its own POOP( March 09), up goes the market, down goes dollar and interest rates.

                            FED stops buying its own POOP (approx Dec 09), things reverse to mean..

                            Will gold do a mini OIL sell off...BUY GOLD UNDER $1000, oops $800 maybe!

                            Stop it......

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                              Re: Get Ready!!! Not So Fun Ride Ahead!!!

                              Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                              Hhmmmmm funny

                              FED Buys its own POOP( March 09), up goes the market, down goes dollar and interest rates.

                              FED stops buying its own POOP (approx Dec 09), things reverse to mean..

                              Will gold do a mini OIL sell off...BUY GOLD UNDER $1000, oops $800 maybe!
                              You said we would be able to buy gold below $600...I'm still waiting...:p

                              I think Goldman planted you on this site...

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