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    Article by James K. Galbraith that sums up this economic mess nicely.

    Old Mistakes Die Hard

    As part of the Roosevelt Institute's 10-part series on the Jobs Crisis, running on the New Deal 2.0 blog from Nov. 12-25, I was asked to reflect on what can be done to get Americans working again. Here's my take.
    I'm tempted to say that the United States is plainly unable to cope with the economic crisis in a serious way. The barriers are philosophical, procedural, and constitutional. So long as economic thinking is mired in a world that disappeared with the collapse of the Bretton Woods system in 1971, so long as any action requires 60 Senate votes, and so long as political capital erodes from the start of a fixed four-year presidential term, we're stuck.
    Technically it would have been fairly easy, 10 months ago, to get this bus back on the road. There could have been open-ended fiscal assistance to stop the budget hemorrhage of the states and cities. There could have been a jobs program and effective foreclosure relief. There could have been a payroll tax holiday. There could have been a strategy for sustained massive effort on infrastructure, energy and climate. There could have been prompt corrective action to resolve, instead of coddle, the worst of the banks.
    I mostly don't blame President Obama; he and his team went as far as they felt they could. I blame the head-in-the-sand politicians in Congress, the over-optimistic forecasters, the half-educated press, and the power of the financial lobby. I blame the avatars of fiscal virtue, the public debt scare-mongerers, the astrologers for whom thirteen significant digits (a trillion) for the stimulus package was just too much. I blame the Senate, which hands the balance of power to small states at the expense of disaster areas like California, Florida and New York. I do blame the Bush-Obama financial policy team, who either believed that "credit would flow again" if you stuffed the banks with money, or knew that it wouldn't.
    The Bretton Woods point deserves another word. According to the system established in 1944, the U.S. current account deficit -- and by extension our public budget deficit -- was limited by an obligation to exchange foreign-held dollars for gold. Richard Nixon abolished that arrangement. Since the early 1980s, the world has held the Treasury bonds that the U.S. chose to issue. The system is fragile. But so long as it lasts, it doesn't discipline our budget (and if it broke, we could replace it). Low interest rates prove this: despite all the dire predictions, there is no difficulty in placing Treasury debt. Hence, we are free to pursue high employment, if we choose to do it.
    Can anything be done now? Well yes, technically: the same steps that could have been taken in January 2009 could be taken in January 2010. But they won't be, because for the moment we are seeing the inventory bounce, a productivity surge, real GDP growth, and other "good signs." So we'll be told to wait, to be patient, and to make sure we don't buy what we can't afford. And double-digit joblessness will linger on, breeding frustration and anger -- perhaps all the way through to the mid-term elections. After which, what will be possible is anyone's guess.
    Sorry to be defeatist -- it's the way I feel. Prove me wrong.
    This post originally appeared on New Deal 2.0.

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    Re: Can anything be done now?

    Originally posted by Crazyfingers View Post
    Article by James K. Galbraith that sums up this economic mess nicely.

    Old Mistakes Die Hard

    As part of the Roosevelt Institute's 10-part series on the Jobs Crisis, running on the New Deal 2.0 blog from Nov. 12-25, I was asked to reflect on what can be done to get Americans working again. Here's my take.
    I'm tempted to say that the United States is plainly unable to cope with the economic crisis in a serious way. The barriers are philosophical, procedural, and constitutional. So long as economic thinking is mired in a world that disappeared with the collapse of the Bretton Woods system in 1971, so long as any action requires 60 Senate votes, and so long as political capital erodes from the start of a fixed four-year presidential term, we're stuck.
    Technically it would have been fairly easy, 10 months ago, to get this bus back on the road. There could have been open-ended fiscal assistance to stop the budget hemorrhage of the states and cities. There could have been a jobs program and effective foreclosure relief. There could have been a payroll tax holiday. There could have been a strategy for sustained massive effort on infrastructure, energy and climate. There could have been prompt corrective action to resolve, instead of coddle, the worst of the banks.
    I mostly don't blame President Obama; he and his team went as far as they felt they could. I blame the head-in-the-sand politicians in Congress, the over-optimistic forecasters, the half-educated press, and the power of the financial lobby. I blame the avatars of fiscal virtue, the public debt scare-mongerers, the astrologers for whom thirteen significant digits (a trillion) for the stimulus package was just too much. I blame the Senate, which hands the balance of power to small states at the expense of disaster areas like California, Florida and New York. I do blame the Bush-Obama financial policy team, who either believed that "credit would flow again" if you stuffed the banks with money, or knew that it wouldn't.
    The Bretton Woods point deserves another word. According to the system established in 1944, the U.S. current account deficit -- and by extension our public budget deficit -- was limited by an obligation to exchange foreign-held dollars for gold. Richard Nixon abolished that arrangement. Since the early 1980s, the world has held the Treasury bonds that the U.S. chose to issue. The system is fragile. But so long as it lasts, it doesn't discipline our budget (and if it broke, we could replace it). Low interest rates prove this: despite all the dire predictions, there is no difficulty in placing Treasury debt. Hence, we are free to pursue high employment, if we choose to do it.
    Can anything be done now? Well yes, technically: the same steps that could have been taken in January 2009 could be taken in January 2010. But they won't be, because for the moment we are seeing the inventory bounce, a productivity surge, real GDP growth, and other "good signs." So we'll be told to wait, to be patient, and to make sure we don't buy what we can't afford. And double-digit joblessness will linger on, breeding frustration and anger -- perhaps all the way through to the mid-term elections. After which, what will be possible is anyone's guess.
    Sorry to be defeatist -- it's the way I feel. Prove me wrong.
    This post originally appeared on New Deal 2.0.
    Maybe instead of listening to a site which glorifies FDR's New Deal, we ought to follow the example of a President whose actions may have prevented a Depression, Warren G. Harding.

    http://dailyreckoning.com/macro-for-dummies/
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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      Re: Can anything be done now?



      Better yet how about Andrew Jackson and the Second Bank Of The United States. Pistols at ten paces.

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      • #4
        Re: Can anything be done now?

        Yes to all! Any approach would be a huge improvement.

        a) The Harding - Ron Paul - Libertarian - Re-regulate and return to free-markets.

        or

        b) Wage Inflation: Re-distribution of wealth through good government back to the middle class.

        The problem is that I do not see how option A is even possible from where we are today without first going through option B.

        Congress must first take control of the economy from the oligarchs and re-create the middle class and re-regulate the markets - undo 20 yrs of "de-regulation" in order to open the door for option A.

        As congress is filled with criminals, America must first take back control of congress.

        Given Sarah Palin is still on TV each day, I do not hold out much hope in the American people waking up anytime soon. LOL!

        The result will be a divided public and so nothing will get done except the status quo will take care of themselves and further squeeze the middle class.

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          Re: Can anything be done now?

          Sure sure Master Shake, you know I am typically hard to anger. But you sir have done it. Last year, the wife and I travelled to St Paul Minn, to attend the Ron Paul Rally. My wife who is Peruvian, gave up her vacation to see her family and friends because she knew I was so passionate about my country and support for the ideas of Dr Paul. And now I have some cat on the internet ridiculing me for finding an article that makes sense from a website he doesnt like. Its embarrassing.

          Our country is in danger, everyone on this site feels it. We are not being guided by men with ideas, we are being robbed by crooks, liars and thieves. At this point I just want some integrity and honesty working on our side. We can work on the liberal/conservative ideas after we throw out the crooks.

          This is a fine article describing our current situation and you sir confirm it.

          I will take a New Deal anyday over what these crooks have planned for us.

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          • #6
            Re: Can anything be done now?

            Originally posted by Crazyfingers View Post
            Sure sure Master Shake, you know I am typically hard to anger. But you sir have done it. Last year, the wife and I travelled to St Paul Minn, to attend the Ron Paul Rally. My wife who is Peruvian, gave up her vacation to see her family and friends because she knew I was so passionate about my country and support for the ideas of Dr Paul. And now I have some cat on the internet ridiculing me for finding an article that makes sense from a website he doesnt like. Its embarrassing.

            Our country is in danger, everyone on this site feels it. We are not being guided by men with ideas, we are being robbed by crooks, liars and thieves. At this point I just want some integrity and honesty working on our side. We can work on the liberal/conservative ideas after we throw out the crooks.

            This is a fine article describing our current situation and you sir confirm it.

            I will take a New Deal anyday over what these crooks have planned for us.
            Wasn't ridiculing you at all. I just take issue with the conventional wisdom that FDR's New Deal policies shortened the Great Depression. Consider the Depression that never happened because of Harding's policies as perhaps an example more worthy of our interest than the same tired FDR as savior theme. Dr. Paul would certainly be more in tune with Harding than FDR.

            http://www.dailypaul.com/node/111383

            "some cat on the internet?" Did you hang out with the Rat Pack?
            Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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            • #7
              Re: Can anything be done now?

              Seems like the US boat is sinking. While we are debating which kinda boat would have been better or IF we had more gas and a bigger engine, the guys that sunk the ship are taking off with the lifejackets and the last bag of cheetos. At some point, I hope we quit debating new boats and engines and fix the damn leak before we all drown.

              IMHO what ended the depression was a big ass war that blew up half the world. Then we had to rebuild it with a smaller population. I would rather not go that route again.

              I apologize for snapping, just frustrated. Harding or FDR would be acceptable over the puppets of the like of Obama and Palin that are distracting us while the crooks float away with our Cheetos.

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                Re: Can anything be done now?

                Originally posted by Crazyfingers View Post
                Seems like the US boat is sinking. While we are debating which kinda boat would have been better or IF we had more gas and a bigger engine, the guys that sunk the ship are taking off with the lifejackets and the last bag of cheetos. At some point, I hope we quit debating new boats and engines and fix the damn leak before we all drown.

                IMHO what ended the depression was a big ass war that blew up half the world. Then we had to rebuild it with a smaller population. I would rather not go that route again.

                I apologize for snapping, just frustrated. Harding or FDR would be acceptable over the puppets of the like of Obama and Palin that are distracting us while the crooks float away with our Cheetos.
                Listening to mainstream US political debate from abroad, it seems to be mainly an endless contest over whether to cut taxes or increase spending. I guess those are fun things to discuss .. for governments that are fiscally sound with healthy revenues and limited liabilities.

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                  Re: Can anything be done now?

                  I blame the head-in-the-sand politicians in Congress, the over-optimistic forecasters, the half-educated press, and the power of the financial lobby.

                  Low interest rates prove this: despite all the dire predictions, there is no difficulty in placing Treasury debt
                  I see a contradiction

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                  • #10
                    Re: Can anything be done now?

                    Originally posted by Crazyfingers View Post

                    IMHO what ended the depression was a big ass war that blew up half the world. Then we had to rebuild it with a smaller population. I would rather not go that route again.
                    I certainly would not want to venture down that route again, especially since it is such an asinine way to try and counter a depression. Anyway, if the fight had come to the US, it would have prolonged the depression. The US was extremely lucky that they were able to enter the war without actually having to endure the worst of it. Imagine if all that infrastructure and the like had been bombed by the Axis powers.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Can anything be done now?

                      I second this!

                      Take the issue du jour and wave it about. Just like Pavlovs dogs drooling at a bell's sound - when we hear the chime, enough of our conditioned population sink into a chaotic mass of bickering to drown out the efforts of the few hacking at the base causes. I am sure TPTB could not be more proud of their accomplishments... Decades if not generations of a directed purpose (TPTB) vs chaos, distraction and misunderstanding. Who wins??

                      Don't know correct attribution - and I probably can only paraphrase:

                      United we stand - we need to fight together.
                      Divided we fall - they will pick us off one by one.

                      Here TPTB don't need to do anything but give air time to an issue and fan the flames of grass roots organizations on opposite sides of that issue. In time it becomes a self-sustaining distraction. Rinse, wash and repeat.

                      When will we all wake from this bad dream to confront the nightmare that has taken hold?

                      SW

                      Originally posted by Crazyfingers View Post
                      Seems like the US boat is sinking. While we are debating which kinda boat would have been better or IF we had more gas and a bigger engine, the guys that sunk the ship are taking off with the lifejackets and the last bag of cheetos. At some point, I hope we quit debating new boats and engines and fix the damn leak before we all drown.

                      IMHO what ended the depression was a big ass war that blew up half the world. Then we had to rebuild it with a smaller population. I would rather not go that route again.

                      I apologize for snapping, just frustrated. Harding or FDR would be acceptable over the puppets of the like of Obama and Palin that are distracting us while the crooks float away with our Cheetos.
                      Last edited by Sidewinder; November 25, 2009, 11:43 AM. Reason: typos
                      If necessity is the mother of invention, desperation is the father...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Can anything be done now?

                        Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                        Maybe instead of listening to a site which glorifies FDR's New Deal, we ought to follow the example of a President whose actions may have prevented a Depression, Warren G. Harding.

                        http://dailyreckoning.com/macro-for-dummies/
                        It's too late to prevent the depression.

                        You're in it.

                        Some observations from another Canadian watching the situation from this side of the border, courtesy of Barry Ritholtz's blog:
                        “We feel like this market still has some room to move higher,” said Burt White, chief investment officer at LPL Financial in Boston, which oversees $259 billion. “We’re still at levels that are lower than we were before Lehman Brothers. We are vastly better off than we were then.”

                        Are we really “vastly better off than we were then?” Gluskin Sheff’s David Rosenberg looks at the details and concludes not one tiny bit:
                        Since Lehman, we have lost 6.2 million jobs;

                        The unemployment rate is 10.2% now, versus 6.2% the day before Lehman collapse;

                        Real gross domestic product is still down 3% since the summer of 2008;

                        Housing starts are down 30%;

                        Auto sales are down 23%;

                        Bank credit has contracted by $500 billion, or 8%;

                        Household net worth is down $7 trillion;

                        Home prices are down an average of 10%;

                        Office-vacancy rates are up 3.5 percentage points, to 17.2%;

                        Apartment-vacancy rates are up a percentage point to 11.1%;

                        Consumer confidence is down 11 points;

                        The budget deficit has tripled;
                        If this is “vastly better off,” I shudder to think what “worse off” would look like...
                        Meantime we Canadians continue to act like idiots, hold interest rates at record lows, expanding consumer credit at an 8% annual rate, inflating an already overpriced national housing market, and doing everything we can to learn nothing from the experience of our American cousins. Ohhhhh Canada...:p

                        Perhaps we need a Warren Harding up here, before it's too late?

                        Last edited by GRG55; November 25, 2009, 10:05 AM.

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                          Re: Can anything be done now?

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          Meantime we Canadians continue to act like idiots, hold interest rates at record lows, expanding consumer credit at an 8% annual rate, inflating an already overpriced national housing market, and doing everything we can to learn nothing from the experience of our American cousins. Ohhhhh Canada...:p

                          Perhaps we need a Warren Harding up here, before it's too late?
                          Well said.
                          Too bad few are building an ark, the rest are all frikin Zombies:



                          ALL YOU ZOMBIES




                          With a National Debt projected to reach $25 trillion by 2019, a government that has promised Boomers $100 trillion more than it can deliver, the end of the cheap oil age, looming resource wars, and nuclear proliferation, it is hard to fathom a happy ending to this Crisis. We appear to be hurtling towards the abyss and no one in charge seems capable of averting disaster.

                          ...

                          Full Article here.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Can anything be done now?

                            Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
                            I see a contradiction
                            Yes... the thing which I find objectionable about the article is that it more-or-less says we at iTulip (which includes EJ) are wrong to be concerned about the potential for a dollar crisis. This guy says some stuff with which I agree (for instance, about the banks and the targetting of stimulus spending), but also seems to think that borrowing and spending a few trillion more would have done the trick. He is calling us astrologers and half-educated?!!! Because, so far, the Treasury has been able to borrow at low rates, that means there's no problem? There's nothing significant about the trend in foreign purchases of Treasuries, or the value of the dollar for foreign exchange, or the fact that the Federal Reserve found it adviseable to print $300B with which to support the market for Treasuries?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Can anything be done now?

                              Originally posted by ASH View Post
                              Yes... the thing which I find objectionable about the article is that it more-or-less says we at iTulip (which includes EJ) are wrong to be concerned about the potential for a dollar crisis. This guy says some stuff with which I agree (for instance, about the banks and the targetting of stimulus spending), but also seems to think that borrowing and spending a few trillion more would have done the trick. He is calling us astrologers and half-educated?!!! Because, so far, the Treasury has been able to borrow at low rates, that means there's no problem? There's nothing significant about the trend in foreign purchases of Treasuries, or the value of the dollar for foreign exchange, or the fact that the Federal Reserve found it adviseable to print $300B with which to support the market for Treasuries?
                              I agree.

                              This guy saying that borrowing and spending by the Federal Government has been too little to be effective is like saying we should have poured a half-gallon of Quervo Gold down the throat of the passed out drunk and perhaps he would have come around!

                              I wonder if the author is Joe Biden's brother-in-law.:rolleyes:

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