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    HOCKINGPORT, Ohio -- Jesse Hayes' family, already overcome by grief after he died in a house fire last month, quickly had to come to grips with another unthinkable reality.
    With no money for a funeral, they would have to bury him themselves.
    And so the day before Hayes' graveside service Oct. 15, his cousin and a handful of volunteers gathered with their shovels at Stewart Cemetery, a quiet spot in the woods not far from the Ohio River in southern Ohio.
    They spent four hours digging with the shovels before finally being forced to bring in a backhoe when they hit rock about 3 feet down.
    After a brief graveside service the next day, the family went to the nearby Lions Club for a meal provided by friends while the volunteers returned to cover the casket with dirt, finishing the grim task.
    Hayes, 26, died after being overcome by smoke in an early-morning fire in the Parkersburg, W.Va., home he shared with his girlfriend, Amanda McClain, 21, and her 11-month-old son, Connor. Hayes and the infant were found just inside the door of the small frame home; McClain never made it out of the bedroom.
    Firefighters said Hayes' hands were covered with blisters, likely from when he tried to open the door to escape the deadly heat and smoke.
    "He died trying to save a baby. He died a hero, and he didn't even get a funeral," said Lisa Roberts, a cousin whose husband, Kenny, helped dig the grave.
    "What has it come to when we can't even afford to bury our dead?" Mrs. Roberts asked. "Nobody should have to go through this."
    Hayes' grave has no headstone. That will come later, when and if money is available.
    The state once provided assistance for indigent funerals, but the aid was eliminated a few years ago and not restored in this year's budget. The burden had fallen to counties, townships, churches and community groups to bury the dead when money is short. But many of those sources are running dry, too.
    "Now, what's started happening is people are digging their own graves to make it more affordableit's the result of a long cycle of picking away at programs and cutting benefits, and because the economy is bad, other resources that may have been available before just aren't anymore," said Jack Frech, director of the Athens County Department of Job and Family Services.
    The problem of people unable to pay for burials, coupled with bodies that go unclaimed by family members, was discussed last week at a meeting of the Ohio State Coroners Association.
    "We've had to ask the funeral homes to help out indigent families that don't have any money," said Dr. David Applegate, Union County coroner and president of the association. He said churches, community groups and veterans associations are chipping in.
    "I don't think the government has to help everybody. I am happy to see there are other ways to do this," Applegate said. "We've warned coroners that they may see more of it and asked them to be helpful and become part of the solution."
    Lisa Roberts said the poor have been burying their own for years.
    "It's not new," she said. "It's just become acceptable."
    She said a friend from nearby Meigs County had no money when her teenage son drowned a few years ago. After a church service, the mother, who was widowed, her daughters and their boyfriends loaded the inexpensive casket onto the back of a truck and drove to a cemetery two counties away. The teen would be buried in his mother's plot, next to his father.
    They dug for hours, hit rock and had to return with a rented jackhammer.
    "They finally got the casket down in there and start filling it with these big rocks. There was this big crack and (the mother) started screaming," Roberts said.
    "The casket had caved in."


    http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live...litics&sid=101

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    Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

    Originally posted by zadok View Post
    HOCKINGPORT, Ohio -- Jesse Hayes' family, already overcome by grief after he died in a house fire last month, quickly had to come to grips with another unthinkable reality.
    With no money for a funeral, they would have to bury him themselves.
    Moving in on Don's territory with this cheerful post, eh? ;)

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    • #3
      Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

      I don't want to seem hard-hearted, but why should government be involved in this? Providing burials for the indigent should be the province of friends, family, churches, charities, and community organizations. No?
      Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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      • #4
        Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

        Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
        I don't want to seem hard-hearted, but why should government be involved in this? Providing burials for the indigent should be the province of friends, family, churches, charities, and community organizations. No?

        It comes across as hard-hearted.

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          Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

          Cremation costs start at $800.

          Donating your body to science is free.

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          • #6
            Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

            Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
            Cremation costs start at $800.

            Donating your body to science is free.
            I've worked on donated bodies, and wouldn't donate mine.

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              Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

              Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
              It comes across as hard-hearted.
              That's part of the problem. Everyone thinks it's the government's responsibility to do things that non-governmental agents of one stripe or another have traditionally done. There is no reason for the government to be involved in burials (other than for public health concerns).
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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              • #8
                Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
                Cremation costs start at $800.

                Donating your body to science is free.
                No, donating your body to science isn't free. If you look into it, you'll find that the donor's estate must pay for embalming and other incidental expenses that add up to several hundred dollars. Not free but still a worthwhile donation. The expenses are tax deductible as charitable expenses.

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                • #9
                  Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                  Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                  That's part of the problem. Everyone thinks it's the government's responsibility to do things that non-governmental agents of one stripe or another have traditionally done. There is no reason for the government to be involved in burials (other than for public health concerns).
                  I was thinking the same thing when I read the OP. As a taxpayer I don't feel much duty to bury someone who failed to meet their most basic obligations. One thing I would add: the current system of requiring burial in cemetaries should be eliminated. If I own a nice piece of rural property I should be allowed to have my burial in a plain wooden coffin under my favorite oak tree (or even up in the tree branches) if I desire. My wish is to return my corpse and all its elements to the ecosystem as quickly as possible. No embalming for me; let the worms have me and make it quick! :eek:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by Master Shake
                    I don't want to seem hard-hearted, but why should government be involved in this? Providing burials for the indigent should be the province of friends, family, churches, charities, and community organizations. No?



                    Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                    It comes across as hard-hearted.
                    No, it comes across as logical and clear-headed. I agree that it should be handled locally; friends, family, church, volunteer fundraiser. It's not the role of government.
                    "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                    • #11
                      Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                      Originally posted by Jay View Post
                      I've worked on donated bodies, and wouldn't donate mine.

                      Like you would know or care at that point.

                      Anyone else remember the scene in The Shipping News (Kevin Spacey, Judi Dench) in which the aged sister steals her deceased brother's ashes, pours them down the hole of the outhouse, then takes a big dump on them with a big smile of gratification on her face? That act accomplished what no professional therapy could. Anyway, not really relevant to the discussion, but a memorable scene all the same. The look on Judi Dench's face is classic. What a great actress.
                      "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                      • #12
                        Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                        Originally posted by rjwjr View Post
                        Like you would know or care at that point.
                        Well, I know and care now. A dead person isn't writing these messages.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                          Not so sound flippant about the death and sorrow but there is a growth industry here.

                          A Durham college is once more offering grave digging - years after the course was laid to rest.




                          East Durham College has announced plans to reintroduce the course in January.
                          The course ran four years ago, but was dropped due to lack of interest. Staff have now resurrected the course after a rise in demand for the skill.
                          Grave digging is a centuries-old profession and involves days of preparation before a burial, and weeks of care and maintenance following it.
                          Jane Pringle, Head of East Durham College's Houghall Campus, said the college was contacted by Peterlee Town Council, which had asked if they could provide a course for a number of its grounds staff.
                          She said: "So we have developed a course from a unit of the Local Environment Services course we run within our Horticulture Department."
                          'Grim job'
                          Brendan Arnell, Parks Supervisor at Peterlee Town Council, added: "We identified that due to a number of staff retiring or moving on, that we had a training need to skill our workforce in grave digging."
                          He said to train staff some may have had to go as far as Glasgow.
                          David Miller, grounds manager at the college, who will help deliver the new course, said: "There is a lot more to grave digging than simply digging a hole.
                          "A good grave digger is expected to know every inch of their cemetery, prepare up to a week in advance of a burial and will not finish the job until about six weeks afterwards once the back-filled soil has settled.
                          "It's a grim job but somebody's got to do it. I have the utmost admiration for these guys."
                          Mr Doug Potts, manager of Co-operative Funeralcare Service, Amble, donated a coffin to the college to use when delivering the training.


                          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8366259.stm

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                            Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                            Originally posted by ASH View Post
                            Moving in on Don's territory with this cheerful post, eh? ;)
                            Ash, you disappoint me. A fat rendering reference would have been most appropriate here :rolleyes:;)

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                              Re: Survivors must dig graves for their dead

                              Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                              That's part of the problem. Everyone thinks it's the government's responsibility to do things that non-governmental agents of one stripe or another have traditionally done. There is no reason for the government to be involved in burials (other than for public health concerns).
                              Our parish buried one of our members whose family was extremely poor.
                              The priest and our communicants would have been ashamed to ask the "government" to provide something so intimately personal.

                              We are never going to recover as a nation and a people until we dispense with the idea that the "government" (read: "someone else") should provide for us.

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