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  • #31
    Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

    Listing of dubious behavior gleaned from the leaked/stolen emails:

    (and BTW why was it ok to hack Palin's email and broadcast that, but not the publicly funded, publicly minded scientists of the AGW cardinalia?)

    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/



    • Phil Jones writes to University of Hull to try to stop sceptic Sonia Boehmer Christiansen using her Hull affiliation. Graham F Haughton of Hull University says its easier to push greenery there now SB-C has retired.(1256765544)
    • Michael Mann discusses how to destroy a journal that has published sceptic papers.(1047388489)
    • Tim Osborn discusses how data are truncated to stop an apparent cooling trend showing up in the results (0939154709). Analysis of impact here. Wow!
    • Phil Jones describes the death of sceptic, John Daly, as "cheering news".(1075403821)
    • Phil Jones encourages colleagues to delete information subject to FoI request.(1212063122)
    • Phil Jones says he has use Mann's "Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series"...to hide the decline". Real Climate says "hiding" was an unfortunate turn of phrase.(0942777075)
    • Letter to The Times from climate scientists was drafted with the help of Greenpeace.(0872202064)
    • Mann thinks he will contact BBC's Richard Black to find out why another BBC journalist was allowed to publish a vaguely sceptical article.(1255352257)
    • Kevin Trenberth says they can't account for the lack of recent warming and that it is a travesty that they can't.(1255352257)
    • Tom Wigley says that Lindzen and Choi's paper is crap.(1257532857)
    • Tom Wigley says that von Storch is partly to blame for sceptic papers getting published at Climate Research. Says he encourages the publication of crap science. Says they should tell publisher that the journal is being used for misinformation. Says that whether this is true or not doesn't matter. Says they need to get editorial board to resign. Says they need to get rid of von Storch too. (1051190249)
    • Ben Santer says (presumably jokingly!) he's "tempted, very tempted, to beat the crap" out of sceptic Pat Michaels. (1255100876)
    • Mann tells Jones that it would be nice to '"contain" the putative Medieval Warm Period'. (1054736277)
    • Tom Wigley tells Jones that the land warming since 1980 has been twice the ocean warming and that this might be used by sceptics as evidence for urban heat islands.(1257546975)
    • Tom Wigley say that Keith Briffa has got himself into a mess over the Yamal chronology (although also says it's insignificant. Wonders how Briffa explains McIntyre's sensitivity test on Yamal and how he explains the use of a less-well replicated chronology over a better one. Wonders if he can. Says data withholding issue is hot potato, since many "good" scientists condemn it.(1254756944)
    • Briffa is funding Russian dendro Shiyatov, who asks him to send money to personal bank account so as to avoid tax, thereby retaining money for research.(0826209667)
    • Kevin Trenberth says climatologists are nowhere near knowing where the energy goes or what the effect of clouds is. Says nowhere balancing the energy budget. Geoengineering is not possible.(1255523796)
    • Mann discusses tactics for screening and delaying postings at Real Climate.(1139521913)
    • Tom Wigley discusses how to deal with the advent of FoI law in UK. Jones says use IPR argument to hold onto code. Says data is covered by agreements with outsiders and that CRU will be "hiding behind them".(1106338806)
    • Overpeck has no recollection of saying that he wanted to "get rid of the Medieval Warm Period". Thinks he may have been quoted out of context.(1206628118)
    • Mann launches RealClimate to the scientific community.(1102687002)
    • Santer complaining about FoI requests from McIntyre. Says he expects support of Lawrence Livermore Lab management. Jones says that once support staff at CRU realised the kind of people the scientists were dealing with they became very supportive. Says the VC [vice chancellor] knows what is going on (in one case).(1228330629)
    • Rob Wilson concerned about upsetting Mann in a manuscript. Says he needs to word things diplomatically.(1140554230)
    • Briffa says he is sick to death of Mann claiming his reconstruction is tropical because it has a few poorly temp sensitive tropical proxies. Says he should regress these against something else like the "increasing trend of self-opinionated verbiage" he produces. Ed Cook agrees with problems.(1024334440)
    • Overpeck tells Team to write emails as if they would be made public. Discussion of what to do with McIntyre finding an error in Kaufman paper. Kaufman's admits error and wants to correct. Appears interested in Climate Audit findings.(1252164302)
    • Jones calls Pielke Snr a prat.(1233249393)
    • Santer says he will no longer publish in Royal Met Soc journals if they enforce intermediate data being made available. Jones has complained to head of Royal Met Soc about new editor of Weather [why?data?] and has threatened to resign from RMS.(1237496573)
    • Reaction to McIntyre's 2005 paper in GRL. Mann has challenged GRL editor-in-chief over the publication. Mann is concerned about the connections of the paper's editor James Saiers with U Virginia [does he mean Pat Michaels?]. Tom Wigley says that if Saiers is a sceptic they should go through official GRL channels to get him ousted. (1106322460) [Note to readers - Saiers was subsequently ousted]
    • Later on Mann refers to the leak at GRL being plugged.(1132094873)
    • Jones says he's found a way around releasing AR4 review comments to David Holland.(1210367056)
    • Wigley says Keenan's fraud accusation against Wang is correct. (1188557698)
    • Jones calls for Wahl and Ammann to try to change the received date on their alleged refutation of McIntyre [presumably so it can get into AR4](1189722851)
    • Mann tells Jones that he is on board and that they are working towards a common goal.(0926010576)
    • Mann sends calibration residuals for MBH99 to Osborn. Says they are pretty red, and that they shouldn't be passed on to others, this being the kind of dirty laundry they don't want in the hands of those who might distort it.(1059664704)
    • Prior to AR3 Briffa talks of pressure to produce a tidy picture of "apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data". [This appears to be the politics leading the science] Briffa says it was just as warm a thousand years ago.(0938018124)
    • Jones says that UK climate organisations are coordinating themselves to resist FoI. They got advice from the Information Commissioner [!](1219239172)
    • Mann tells Revkin that McIntyre is not to be trusted.(1254259645)
    • Revkin quotes von Storch as saying it is time to toss the Hockey Stick . This back in 2004.(1096382684)
    • Funkhouser says he's pulled every trick up his sleeve to milk his Kyrgistan series. Doesn't think it's productive to juggle the chronology statistics any more than he has.(0843161829)
    • Wigley discusses fixing an issue with sea surface temperatures in the context of making the results look both warmer but still plausible. (1254108338)
    • Jones says he and Kevin will keep some papers out of the next IPCC report.(1089318616)
    • Tom Wigley tells Mann that a figure Schmidt put together to refute Monckton is deceptive and that the match it shows of instrumental to model predictions is a fluke. Says there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model output by authors and IPCC.(1255553034)
    • Grant Foster putting together a critical comment on a sceptic paper. Asks for help for names of possible reviewers. Jones replies with a list of people, telling Foster they know what to say about the paper and the comment without any prompting.(1249503274)
    • David Parker discussing the possibility of changing the reference period for global temperature index. Thinks this shouldn't be done because it confuses people and because it will make things look less warm.(1105019698)
    • Briffa discusses an sceptic article review with Ed Cook. Says that confidentially he needs to put together a case to reject it (1054756929)
    • Ben Santer, referring to McIntyre says he hopes Mr "I'm not entirely there in the head" will not be at the AGU.(1233249393)
    • Jones tells Mann that he is sending station data. Says that if McIntyre requests it under FoI he will delete it rather than hand it over. Says he will hide behind data protection laws. Says Rutherford screwed up big time by creating an FTP directory for Osborn. Says Wigley worried he will have to release his model code. Also discuss AR4 draft. Mann says paleoclimate chapter will be contentious but that the author team has the right personalities to deal with sceptics.(1107454306)

    Update on November 22, 2009 by Bishop Hill
    Updated to add links to the online database of the emails at Elegant Chaos.


    Update on November 22, 2009 by Bishop Hill


    Here's more:
    • Phil Jones having problems with explaining issues over the Lamb image of global temps in the early IPCC reports. Says it shouldn't be discussed openly at Real Climate. Says better left buried.(1168356704)
    And as for

    Originally posted by RC sock puppet
    There is nothing in any of these emails that I wouldn't expect to see in any large scale engineering project at any large company. Science is proposed and checked at the scientific journal level, not in private emails.
    The whole point is that these are supposed to be disinterested scientists.

    When there is clear proof that they are not - well - that should matter.

    A private firm has as its goal dominance over other firms. Individuals within an organization fighting for dominance is also perfectly understandable.

    Much of the above behavior is understandable if not moral in the context of a private company, but it is completely inappropriate for those supposedly engaged in pure research and putting out objective information.

    Furthermore the emails also clearly point toward a concerted effort to bend the supposedly sacrosanct peer review process to the cabal's own ends.

    Is that acceptable also?

    As I noted in the Rant 'N Rave thread - much of the allegations made by the 'deniers' have been substantiated in these emails.

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    • #32
      Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
      Listing of dubious behavior gleaned from the leaked/stolen emails:
      Thanks.
      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
      As I noted in the Rant 'N Rave thread - much of the allegations made by the 'deniers' have been substantiated in these emails.
      I will admit to being rather disappointed at the low quality of the responses here on iTulip of the "alarmists", perhaps better termed the "anti-deniers" (in the tradition of that great word "antidisestablishmentarianists")
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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      • #33
        Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

        Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
        Thanks.

        I will admit to being rather disappointed at the low quality of the responses here on iTulip of the "alarmists", perhaps better termed the "anti-deniers" (in the tradition of that great word "antidisestablishmentarianists")
        Yep. There is a collective "WOOPS!" being uttered today by this crowd as the world gets a good look at the great wizard behind the curtain.

        Good luck with trying to do science with political methods.

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        • #34
          Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

          1st we discovered the men on the grassy knoll and the highway overpass. Then the magic bullet that turned in mid air.

          And when you tried to tell us a flag could flutter on the moon, or that a boot would leave a clear print in dry dust, we were there. The lies of 10's of thousands of government employees couldn't hide the truth from us.

          Then came the tragedy of 911. We proved there was no way that jets loaded with jet fuel could bring down the towers. We had the scientific evidence that showed the towers were brought down by explosives hidden on the internal structure of the buildings.

          But now we've uncovered the biggest cover up of them all! 10's of thousands of scientists, thousands of Universities, and hundreds of government agencies from around the world, conspired for more than 30 years to lie to every person on the earth! Global Warming has been nothing but a cover to raise our taxes and take our SUV's away!

          You want proof? We've got the stolen emails to prove it!
          How do you explain a scientist in Germany who actually DELETED his email?!! AH HA! Or how about the scientist at the University who used mathematical and statistical TRICKS to ease the calculation methods?!! And worst of all, some scientists CHANGED their data with updated and more precise data!! All that data from satellites and from ground stations and personally collected from all over the world is all FAKE and we know it! All that edurcation and thousands of hours of observations and collaboration don't mean a damn thing to us!

          BEWARE! All you govment people who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes, we're watching you, and we know your watching us! But the truth is out there. We've caught you red handed before and we'll catch ya again. You can't cover up what your trying to do to us with all that fancy shmancy science talk. In every single thing you try to do, we'll be there to tell the world the truth! We know the truth, and we don't need no damn numbers or reason to tell it!

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          • #35
            Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

            But now we've uncovered the biggest cover up of them all!
            You made my day! Thank you, oh toasted one.
            Last edited by ggirod; November 22, 2009, 03:55 PM. Reason: clarity

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            • #36
              Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

              Originally posted by hayekvindicated View Post
              Every movement needs its "useful idiots". Western liberals who aren't milking this (i.e the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming) but serving as fodder for the movement are the useful idiots. The smart cookies are the ones at Goldman's and people like Gore who are milking it for hundreds of millions.

              Gore lives in a house that pumps more CO2 in the atmosphere than an entire American neighbourhood and flies around the world in a private jet (ummm, how much CO2 is that per year???). He's also multiplied his "green" investments some 60 fold (his initial $1 million investments are now worth $60 million - thanks to his "untiring" efforts at spreading "awareness").

              And the idiot western liberals cheer him on as a saint. Keep it up boys! As your energy bills skyrocket while no coal power plants and nuclear plants are built, Gore and the Goldman's crowd will be serving themselves Caviar for dinner, the Chinese and Indians will take the factories and industrial production while the western middle class will cover itself with a duvet in winter. Its a comical sight.
              Thanks, Hayek V. You spared me from typing these same thoughts.

              Gore is one of the biggest phonies since the creation of paper money.

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              • #37
                Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                it was an open secret

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                • #38
                  Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                  Originally posted by Raz View Post
                  Thanks, Hayek V. You spared me from typing these same thoughts.

                  Gore is one of the biggest phonies since the creation of paper money.
                  Thanks Raz.

                  Some inconvenient truths here:

                  http://www.oism.org/pproject/

                  Good article by Tim Blair here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225801796426

                  Tons of comments on Delingpole's blog: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/
                  Last edited by hayekvindicated; November 22, 2009, 04:59 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                    Originally posted by RC sock puppet
                    You want proof? We've got the stolen emails to prove it!
                    How do you explain a scientist in Germany who actually DELETED his email?!! AH HA! Or how about the scientist at the University who used mathematical and statistical TRICKS to ease the calculation methods?!! And worst of all, some scientists CHANGED their data with updated and more precise data!! All that data from satellites and from ground stations and personally collected from all over the world is all FAKE and we know it! All that edurcation and thousands of hours of observations and collaboration don't mean a damn thing to us!
                    Yes, it is amusing how the indefensible must then be defended...by going on the attack.

                    Clearly there are prime examples of AGW-dom right here on this thread.

                    Surely the request to delete emails related to IPCC work is purely a technical detail. I'm sure they were just trying to free up space so that the CRU raw data would have enough storage space...

                    Yet another clear example of the AGW cabal's work: the vilification of Roger Pielke Sr.:

                    http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/em...1233249393.txt

                    Ben,
                    I'm at an extremes meeting in Riederalp - near Brig. I'm too old to go skiing. I'll go up the cable car to see the Aletsch Glacier at some point - when the weather is good. Visibility is less than 200m at the moment.

                    It is good news that Rob can come. I'm still working on Keith. It might be worth you sending him another email, telling him what he'll be missing if he doesn't go. I think Sarah will come, but I've not yet been in CRU when she has.

                    With free wifi in my room, I've just seen that M+M have submitted a paper to IJC on your H2 statistic - using more years, up to 2007. They have also found your PCMDI data - laughing at the directory name - FOIA? Also they make up statements saying you've done this following Obama's statement about openness in government! Anyway you'll likely get this for review, or poor Francis will. Best if both Francis and Myles did this. If I get an email from Glenn I'll suggest this.

                    Also I see Pielke Snr has submitted a comment on Sherwood's work. He is a prat. He's just had a response to a comment piece that David Parker, Tom Peterson and I wrote on a paper they had in 2007. Pielke wouldn't understand independence if it hit him in the face. Both papers in JGR online. Not worth you reading them unless interested.

                    Cheers
                    Phil
                    The irony of this? Roger Pielke Sr. believes in AGW. He merely doesn't believe that CO2 is the primary culprit; his view is that it is a number of different human activities which impact the earth hence climate - including surface albedo changes.

                    But for the AGW fanatics - everyone must toe the official CO2 line or suffer the consequences.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                      Originally posted by hayekvindicated View Post
                      Thanks Raz.

                      Some inconvenient truths here:

                      http://www.oism.org/pproject/

                      Good article by Tim Blair here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225801796426

                      Tons of comments on Delingpole's blog: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/
                      I made a copy of Delingpole's blog because it would be useful in debates with hardcore AGW believers, especially in British Columbia. The deliberate falsification of temperature records at The East Anglia University, Climate Study Centre is the smoking-gun. (I should have lots of fun with this.)

                      The Democrats in the U.S. should get as far away from the AGW bunch now as they can get. Otherwise, they too will be dis-credited, not-to-mention pay the price of being dupes in the next election.

                      As for Al Gore, how in the hell did he get a Nobel Prize in Norway? Talk about the stupidity and intellectual dishonesty of the creationists, the AGW climate-frauds are very much the same kind of people.
                      Last edited by Starving Steve; November 22, 2009, 07:48 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                        Don't forget that computers and microwaves started showing up right after Roswell - Oh yeah - and Barack Obama's a Kenyan sleeper agent just waiting for the right time to install Mwai Kibaki as leader of the United World Government.

                        Seriously, there is much still to be learned about the anthropogenic effects of carbon emissions on a system as complex as the earth.

                        And still, the most obvious evidence that, at the very least, ice is melting for whatever reason, was even reported on Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296863,00.html

                        Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                        1st we discovered the men on the grassy knoll and the highway overpass. Then the magic bullet that turned in mid air.

                        And when you tried to tell us a flag could flutter on the moon, or that a boot would leave a clear print in dry dust, we were there. The lies of 10's of thousands of government employees couldn't hide the truth from us.

                        Then came the tragedy of 911. We proved there was no way that jets loaded with jet fuel could bring down the towers. We had the scientific evidence that showed the towers were brought down by explosives hidden on the internal structure of the buildings.

                        But now we've uncovered the biggest cover up of them all! 10's of thousands of scientists, thousands of Universities, and hundreds of government agencies from around the world, conspired for more than 30 years to lie to every person on the earth! Global Warming has been nothing but a cover to raise our taxes and take our SUV's away!

                        You want proof? We've got the stolen emails to prove it!
                        How do you explain a scientist in Germany who actually DELETED his email?!! AH HA! Or how about the scientist at the University who used mathematical and statistical TRICKS to ease the calculation methods?!! And worst of all, some scientists CHANGED their data with updated and more precise data!! All that data from satellites and from ground stations and personally collected from all over the world is all FAKE and we know it! All that edurcation and thousands of hours of observations and collaboration don't mean a damn thing to us!

                        BEWARE! All you govment people who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes, we're watching you, and we know your watching us! But the truth is out there. We've caught you red handed before and we'll catch ya again. You can't cover up what your trying to do to us with all that fancy shmancy science talk. In every single thing you try to do, we'll be there to tell the world the truth! We know the truth, and we don't need no damn numbers or reason to tell it!

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                        • #42
                          Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                          Watched NBC Nightly News tonight. No mention of this story. Before folks go off, in similar situations in the past, NBC News has waited a few days for the story to work itself into focus before reporting it. I shall be anxious to hear what they report, when they report it, and who they will interview.

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                            1st we discovered the men on the grassy knoll and the highway overpass. Then the magic bullet that turned in mid air.

                            And when you tried to tell us a flag could flutter on the moon, or that a boot would leave a clear print in dry dust, we were there. The lies of 10's of thousands of government employees couldn't hide the truth from us.

                            Then came the tragedy of 911. We proved there was no way that jets loaded with jet fuel could bring down the towers. We had the scientific evidence that showed the towers were brought down by explosives hidden on the internal structure of the buildings.

                            But now we've uncovered the biggest cover up of them all! 10's of thousands of scientists, thousands of Universities, and hundreds of government agencies from around the world, conspired for more than 30 years to lie to every person on the earth! Global Warming has been nothing but a cover to raise our taxes and take our SUV's away!

                            You want proof? We've got the stolen emails to prove it!
                            How do you explain a scientist in Germany who actually DELETED his email?!! AH HA! Or how about the scientist at the University who used mathematical and statistical TRICKS to ease the calculation methods?!! And worst of all, some scientists CHANGED their data with updated and more precise data!! All that data from satellites and from ground stations and personally collected from all over the world is all FAKE and we know it! All that edurcation and thousands of hours of observations and collaboration don't mean a damn thing to us!

                            BEWARE! All you govment people who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes, we're watching you, and we know your watching us! But the truth is out there. We've caught you red handed before and we'll catch ya again. You can't cover up what your trying to do to us with all that fancy shmancy science talk. In every single thing you try to do, we'll be there to tell the world the truth! We know the truth, and we don't need no damn numbers or reason to tell it!
                            Appeal to Ridicule and Straw Men.

                            When confronted with information you don't like and which threatens your beliefs, embrace fallacious logic.
                            Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                            • #44
                              Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                              There is actually nothing in the leaked material that changes any of the evidence of climate change.

                              There is a big difference between the scientific data that points to climate change and the models/speculation/predications of what that means to the future.

                              Nothing inconsistant at all here, for those capable of reason.

                              Al Gore is a politician and takes scientific data and sensationalizes it and creates predications of the future, just as the GOP does, just as wall street analysts do, just as most economists paid for by politicians do as well - green shoots.

                              Fox News watching retards are still proving that they retards. LOL.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Global Warming Scam Uncovered by Hacker

                                Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
                                There is actually nothing in the leaked material that changes any of the evidence of climate change.

                                There is a big difference between the scientific data that points to climate change and the models/speculation/predications of what that means to the future.

                                Nothing inconsistant at all here, for those capable of reason.

                                Fox News watching retards are still proving that they retards. LOL.

                                Once again you obviously have not read any of the emails. They are about manufacturing data. This means that the evidence is indeed in question. Just like all the other anti -deniers you are attacking because there is nothing to defend

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