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    The new flipping: short sales


    This house in Nokomis was bought on June 30 for $205,000 and then sold the same day for $230,000.

    Untold millions of dollars that banks could have recovered from the sale of distressed Florida homes have instead been pocketed as profits by a new breed of property flipper.

    These flippers target houses on the verge of foreclosure and persuade banks and mortgage companies to accept lowball buyouts, sometimes by using questionable appraisals and not disclosing that a quick sale at a higher price has already been arranged, experts say.

    No one knows how widespread the scheme has become. But a national glut of short sales -- pre-foreclosure sales in which the lender agrees to let the house sell for less than the mortgage owed -- has spawned a small industry of short-sale flippers, some of whom use these questionable tactics, experts say.

    The Herald-Tribune examined nearly 18,000 property sales that occurred in Sarasota and Manatee counties in 2009. The review showed that:

    • At least 250 properties have been sold multiple times at escalating prices so far this year. Nearly 50 of those properties were bought then resold within 24 hours, suggesting that banks were underpaid for properties that already had a buyer willing to pay more.

    • Just the most suspicious sales, where properties flipped within a day, have cost banks $1.7 million in Sarasota and Manatee counties so far this year. On houses bought and resold within a month, the bank short sales were $3.2 million less than the houses fetched just a few days or weeks later.

    • Real estate professionals are a key part of short sale flipping. Of about 120 short sale properties that sold twice within a month in the Sarasota area, more than half of the buyers or sellers were real estate agents, real estate attorneys or mortgage brokers.

    • Questionable short sales accounted for 1.4 percent of all property sales in Sarasota and Manatee counties this year.

    At the peak of the housing bubble, 2 percent of all sales statewide raised suspicions, based on criteria used by fraud investigators.

    • Bankers and some organizations that regulate the real estate industry have taken steps to curb the latest form of flipping. But the measures, including restrictions on writing mortgages for flipped properties, have not halted questionable transactions. Experts warn the number of short sale flips is likely to continue growing nationwide.

    Short sales are viewed as a crucial part of a real estate market recovery. They allow distressed homeowners to escape huge debts and let banks avoid foreclosure costs and still recoup some of the money they are owed.

    And flips involving short sale properties can be legitimate if repairs are made to a property, or the original buyer pays one price in good faith and later finds another buyer willing to pay more.

    In fact, some professional flippers are outspoken in defending flipping as aiding both homeowners and banks.

    "Who cares if someone is making a spread on flipped properties," said Marc Pelletz, a real estate investor and agent with Hook & Ladder Realty in Sarasota. "Banks are getting money. Someone gets a deal. As long as everything is disclosed to everyone, what's wrong?"

    But fraud experts warn that some of the real estate flipping they see today involves the same kind of insider deals and manipulated sale prices that plagued the housing bubble.

    The FBI recently added short sale flipping, dubbed "flopping" by some mortgage fraud experts, to its list of recognized real estate fraud.
    In a June 2009 report on mortgage fraud, FBI officials described various forms of short sale flipping fraud. Each type involves misrepresenting the value of a house to a lender.

    Banking experts point out that those losses trickle down to taxpayers, who have bailed out the banking industry.

    "These middle men are making a huge profit at the expense of banks, which means they are often making huge profits at the expense of taxpayers," said Anne Weintraub, a real estate attorney with the Syprett Meshad law firm in Sarasota.

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...-1/NEWSSITEMAP

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    Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

    I beileve some of these houses are being sold back to the original family or similar family in foreclosure.

    1. Family A and B are in foreclosure on similar homes say at 400K

    2. Real Estate Agents A & B buy the homes for 200K from the banks.

    3. Real Estate Agents A & B sell the houses (swithed) to B & A for 230K.

    3a. The Real Estate Agents could use some of the 30K as a "seller" financed downpayment.

    4. Real Estate Agents get 30K each plus regular 6%, families A & B get a similar house for 230K and clear the 400K debt.

    5. The Banks get the forclosures off thier books.

    6. The US Taxpayers get 2 more FHA loans of which one either A or B will likely foreclose again in the near future.

    There are many variations of these - net results is real estate agents once again gaming the system and taking advantage of the absurd underwriting of FHA currently.

    It will not end until the US treasury stops trying to put a floor on house prices in order to save the big banks.

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    • #3
      Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

      Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
      I beileve some of these houses are being sold back to the original family or similar family in foreclosure.

      1. Family A and B are in foreclosure on similar homes say at 400K

      2. Real Estate Agents A & B buy the homes for 200K from the banks.

      3. Real Estate Agents A & B sell the houses (swithed) to B & A for 230K.

      3a. The Real Estate Agents could use some of the 30K as a "seller" financed downpayment.

      4. Real Estate Agents get 30K each plus regular 6%, families A & B get a similar house for 230K and clear the 400K debt.

      5. The Banks get the forclosures off thier books.

      6. The US Taxpayers get 2 more FHA loans of which one either A or B will likely foreclose again in the near future.

      There are many variations of these - net results is real estate agents once again gaming the system and taking advantage of the absurd underwriting of FHA currently.

      It will not end until the US treasury stops trying to put a floor on house prices in order to save the big banks.

      How do families A & B get a mortage to repurchase?

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      • #4
        Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

        "• At least 250 properties have been sold multiple times at escalating prices so far this year. Nearly 50 of those properties were bought then resold within 24 hours, suggesting that banks were underpaid for properties that already had a buyer willing to pay more."

        One might ask themselves why the bank is selling at a discount....wait for it...wait for it...it because banks are so freaking hard to work with on short sales and they take so stinking long...hence the discount. This is a very inefficient process. They HAVE TO sell at a discount for anyone to stick around for a closing.

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        • #5
          Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

          Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
          How do families A & B get a mortage to repurchase?
          6. The US Taxpayers get 2 more FHA loans of which one either A or B will likely foreclose again in the near future.
          Apparently he is unaware of FHA seasoning requirements. Or underwriting guidelines.

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          • #6
            Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

            Originally posted by swgprop View Post
            Apparently he is unaware of FHA seasoning requirements. Or underwriting guidelines.

            Yes. Good luck getting a mortgage today if your credit is not solid.

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            • #7
              Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

              Apparently he is unaware of FHA seasoning requirements. Or underwriting guidelines.
              Are you sure about FHA new-found diligence?

              We are entering a new phase of the bubble. FHA insured loans have now replaced Alt-A and option ARMs in the California housing market. Remember, option ARMs are largely a California problem with 58% of loans here in the state. Now why are FHA insured loans a problem? People are financially stretching yet again with these loans. They only require a 3.5 percent down payment. Don’t think many in California are using these loans?

              FHA insured loans are now a gigantic part of the California housing market. And these loans resemble some of the low document loans that have caused so many problems.

              ince FHA insured loans now make up 32 percent of the California housing market, this is only another problem that will hit down the road if the economy doesn’t improve.

              A nice sum indeed but it misses the bigger picture. By combining all the above factors it becomes clear that for California the large drivers for sales have been:

              -Crashing prices


              -FHA insured loans

              -Investors buying distress properties

              -People buying homes with conventional loans believing the bottom is in
              http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/

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              • #8
                Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

                While my boots are no longer on the ground, My ears are. They have been told missed mortgage payments are a kiss of death.

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                • #9
                  Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

                  Please don't misinterpret my response as a general endorsement of the FHA program - it has been completely sucked into the vortex of the FIREflation effort. FHA is in dire straits.

                  They do not, however, make loans to folks who have just lost their homes through foreclosure. Not yet anyway.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

                    Originally posted by swgprop View Post
                    Please don't misinterpret my response as a general endorsement of the FHA program - it has been completely sucked into the vortex of the FIREflation effort. FHA is in dire straits.

                    They do not, however, make loans to folks who have just lost their homes through foreclosure. Not yet anyway.
                    The Feds fall into sleaze housing underwriting is moving at an amazing pace. Who can keep up. Check out Meredith Whitney's housing comments on the just posted video.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

                      Originally posted by don View Post
                      The new flipping: short sales


                      "
                      But fraud experts warn that some of the real estate flipping they see today involves the same kind of insider deals and manipulated sale prices that plagued the housing bubble.

                      The FBI recently added short sale flipping, dubbed "flopping" by some mortgage fraud experts, to its list of recognized real estate fraud.
                      In a June 2009 report on mortgage fraud, FBI officials described various forms of short sale flipping fraud. Each type involves misrepresenting the value of a house to a lender.

                      Banking experts point out that those losses trickle down to taxpayers, who have bailed out the banking industry.

                      Ah, the height of hubris.
                      If a normal individual gets suckered into paying too much principal, or accepting a suicide mortgage at negative amortization with a balloon, well, let the buyer beware.

                      But if a bank – A BANK! – carelessly sells below max value, then it’s a crime worthy of the FBI’s attention. Why sir, all possible theoretical profits belong to the FIRE sector, and anyone who denies them that full measure will land in jail. Rotten.:mad:

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                      • #12
                        Re: Coming to a Market Near You- Flopping

                        this is completely misrepresented. I have been in short sales one way or another for 2 years and if the lenders were reasonable there would be no flipping opportunities.

                        But since lenders are horribly difficult and inefficient, entrepreneurs step in and flip.

                        There is in a deal I do, very clear disclosure that I am buying and reselling for profit. And appraisals are done by bank appointed people, either brokers or appraisers.

                        And they are sold to investors or cash buyers quite often.

                        Flippers are performing a service, one of arbitrage. Only made possible because of the wildly inefficient market that the lenders have promulgated.

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