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  • 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand Slam

    "Its density, similar to that of gold, allows tungsten to be used in jewelry as an alternative to gold or platinum."


    Tungsten Filled Fake Gold Bars - GLD ETF Warning


    “Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand Slam With A Tungsten Twist”


    Thursday, 12 November 2009:
    GoldSeek.com
    By: Rob Kirby

    I’ve already reported on irregular physical gold settlements which occurred in London, England back in the first week of October, 2009. Specifically, these settlements involved the intermediation of at least one Central Bank [The Bank of England] to resolve allocated settlements on behalf of J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank – who DID NOT have the gold bullion that they had sold short and were contracted to deliver. At the same time I reported on two other unusual occurrences:


    1] - irregularities in the publication of the gold ETF - GLD’s bar list from Sept. 25 – Oct.14 where the length of the bar list went from 1,381 pages to under 200 pages and then back up to 800 or so pages.

    2] - reports of 400 oz. “good delivery” bricks of gold found gutted and filled with tungsten within the confines of LBMA approved vaults in Hong Kong.


    Why Tungsten?

    If anyone were contemplating creating “fake” gold bars, tungsten [at roughly $10 per pound] would be the metal of choice since it has the exact same density as gold making a fake bar salted with tungsten indistinguishable from a solid gold bar by simply weighing it.

    Unfortunately, there are now more sordid details to report.

    When the news of tungsten “salted” gold bars in Hong Kong first surfaced, many people

    who I am acquainted with automatically assumed that these bars were manufactured in

    China – because China is generally viewed as “the knock-off capital of the world”.

    Here’s what I now understand really happened:

    The amount of “salted tungsten” gold bars in question was allegedly between 5,600 and 5,700 – 400 oz – good delivery bars [roughly 60 metric tonnes].

    This was apparently all highly orchestrated by an extremely well financed criminal operation.

    Within mere hours of this scam being identified – Chinese officials had many of the perpetrators in custody.

    And here’s what the Chinese allegedly uncovered:

    Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan (a 'Sir' since receiving the title Knight Commander of the British Empire 2002 for his money-printing abilities) and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes].

    Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day. I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.



    The balance of this 1.3 million – 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten cache was also plated and then allegedly “sold” into the international market.
    Apparently, the global market is literally “stuffed full of 400 oz salted bars”.

    Makes one wonder if the Indians were smart enough to assay their 200 tonne haul from the IMF?


    A Slow Motion Train Wreck, Years in the Making

    An obscure news item originally published in the N.Y. Post [written by Jennifer Anderson] in late Jan. 04 has always ‘stuck in my craw’:

    DA investigating NYMEX executive - Manhattan, New York, district attorney's office, Stuart Smith - Melting Pot - Brief Article – Feb. 2, 2004:

    A top executive at the New York Mercantile Exchange is being investigated by the Manhattan district attorney. Sources close to the exchange said that Stuart Smith, senior vice president of operations at the exchange, was served with a search warrant by the district attorney's office last week. Details of the investigation have not been disclosed, but a NYMEX spokeswoman said it was unrelated to any of the exchange's markets. She declined to comment further other than to say that charges had not been brought. A spokeswoman for the Manhattan district attorney's office also declined comment.

    The offices of the Senior Vice President of Operations - NYMEX – is exactly where you would go to find the records [serial number and smelter of origin] for EVERY GOLD BAR ever PHYSICALLY settled on the exchange. They are required to keep these records. These precise records would show the lineage of all the physical gold settled on the exchange and hence "prove" that the amount of gold in question could not have possibly come from the U.S. mining operations – because the amounts in question coming from U.S. smelters would undoubtedly be vastly bigger than domestic mine production.

    We never have found out what happened to poor ole Stuart Smith – after his offices were "raided" – he took administrative leave from the NYMEX and he has never been heard from since. Amazingly [or perhaps not], there never was any follow up on in the media on the original story as well as ZERO developments ever stemming from D.A. Morgenthau’s office who executed the search warrant.

    Are we to believe that NYMEX offices were raided, the Sr. V.P. of operations then takes leave - all for nothing?

    These revelations should provide a “new filter” through which Rothschild exiting the gold market back in 2004 begins to make a little more sense:
    “LONDON, April 14, 2004 (Reuters) - NM Rothschild & Sons Ltd., the London-based unit of investment bank Rothschild [ROT.UL], will withdraw from trading commodities, including gold, in London as it reviews its operations, it said on Wednesday.”

    Interestingly, GATA’s Bill Murphy speculated about this back in 2004:

    “Why is Rothschild leaving the gold business at this time my colleagues and I conjectured today? Just a guess on my part, but suspect:”

    SOMETHING IS AMISS. THEY KNOW A BIG GOLD SCANDAL IS COMING AND THEY WANT NO PART OF IT. …”

    “ROTHSCHILD WANTS OUT BEFORE THE PROVERBIAL "S" HITS THE FAN.” BILL MURPHY, LEMETROPOLE, 4-18-2004


    Coincidentally [or perhaps, not?], GLD Began Trading 11/12/2004

    In light of what has occurred – regarding the Gold ETF, GLD – after reviewing their prospectus yet again, it becomes pretty clear that GLD was established to purposefully deflect investment dollars away from legitimate gold pursuits and to create a stealth, cesspool / catch-all, slush-fund and a likely destination for many of these “salted tungsten bars” where they would never see the light of day – hidden behind the following legalese “shield” from the law:

    Excerpt from the GLD prospectus on page 11:


    Gold bars allocated to the Trust in connection with the creation of a Basket may not meet the London Good Delivery Standards and, if a Basket is issued against such gold, the Trust may suffer a loss. Neither the Trustee nor the Custodian independently confirms the fineness of the gold bars allocated to the Trust in connection with the creation of a Basket. The gold bars allocated to the Trust by the Custodian may be different from the reported fineness or weight required by the LBMA’s standards for gold bars delivered in settlement of a gold trade, or the London Good Delivery Standards, the standards required by the Trust. If the Trustee nevertheless issues a Basket against such gold, and if the Custodian fails to satisfy its obligation to credit the Trust the amount of any deficiency, the Trust may suffer a loss.


    The Fed Has Already Been Caught Lying

    Liberty Coin’s Patrick Heller recently wrote,

    Earlier this year, the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA), filed a second Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Federal Reserve System for documents from 1990 to date having to do with gold swaps, gold swapped, or proposed gold swaps.

    On Aug. 5, The Federal Reserve responded to this FOIA request by adding two more documents to those disclosed to GATA in April 2008 from the earlier FOIA request. These documents totaled 173 pages, many parts of which were redacted (covered up to omit sections of text). The Fed's response also noted that there were 137 pages of documents not disclosed that were alleged to be exempt from disclosure.

    GATA appealed this determination on Aug. 20. The appeal asked for more information to substantiate the legitimacy of the claimed exemptions from disclosure and an explanation on why some documents, such as one posted on the Federal Reserve Web site that discusses gold swaps, were not included in the Aug. 5 document release.

    In a Sept. 17, 2009, letter on Federal Reserve System letterhead, Federal Reserve governor Kevin M. Warsh completely denied GATA's appeal. The entire text of this letter can be examined at http://www.gata.org/files/GATAFedResponse-09-17-2009.pdf.

    The first paragraph on the third page is the most revealing. Warsh wrote, "In connection with your appeal, I have confirmed that the information withheld under exemption 4 consists of confidential commercial or financial information relating to the operations of the Federal Reserve Banks that was obtained within the meaning of exemption 4. This includes information relating to swap arrangements with foreign banks on behalf of the Federal Reserve System and is not the type of information that is customarily disclosed to the public. This information was properly withheld from you."

    This paragraph will likely be one of the most important news stories of the year.

    Though not stated in plain English, this paragraph is an admission that the Fed has in the past and may now be engaged in trading gold swaps. Warsh's letter contradicts previous Fed statements to GATA denying that it ever engaged in gold swaps during the time period between Jan. 1, 1990 and the present.


    [Perhaps most importantly], this was GATA's second FOIA request to the Federal Reserve on the issue of gold swaps. The 173 pages of documents received for the 2009 FOIA request all pre-dated the 2007 FOIA request, which means they should have been released in the response to the earlier FOIA request. This establishes a likelihood that the Federal Reserve has failed to adequately search or disclose relevant documents. Further, the Fed response admitted that it had copies of relevant records that originally appeared on the Treasury Department Web site, but failed to include them in its response.

    Now that Federal Reserve governor Warsh has admitted that the Fed has lied in the past about the Fed’s involvement with gold. It should now be very clear to everyone why the Fed is lying and the true nature of what they are hiding / withholding.


    On Doing God’s Work

    An important footnote to consider is the inter-twined-ness of the U.S. Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury [can anyone really tell them apart?] as well as this duopoly’s two principal agents – J.P. Morgan-Chase and Goldman Sachs. When one truly grasps the nature of these highly conflicted relationships it gives a fuller meaning to words recently uttered by Goldman head, Lloyd Blankfein, who claimed,

    “I’m doing god’s work.”

    Does this really mean that Mr. Blankfein believes that the Federal Reserve is god? You can judge for yourself. While the Fed prints money like no one else could - except god almighty himself [or Gideon Gono, perhaps?] – I really doubt that was the intent back in 1864, when the U.S. adopted “In God We Trust” as their official motto.

    And that’s my two cents worth for today.

    Got [real] physical gold yet?

    Last edited by Dr.No; November 13, 2009, 05:05 PM. Reason: *

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    Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

    Ah ha! This could a story planted by the Chinese to depress the price of gold while they buy more of it up!

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      Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

      Mooncliff: I disagree with you. I´m not adept at conspiracy theories, buy what the author is saying, basically is that gold bars can be falsified, which I checked and effectively, gold and tungsten (wikipedia says) differ in density only less than 1 thousand. So, my much considered small stack of "sealed and certified" gold bars could be made of tungsten, whose value is about one thousands of what I think it is.
      And that is not funny.
      Moreover, I own some GLD ETF, which is about to the same thing.
      On the influence of such ocurrence on the price of gold, that can only save some very short term effect, be of elevating same.
      Simple, if part of the substance supposed to be gold is just tungsten, there even less gold around there, therefore price shall go up.
      What to do about?
      I don´t know.
      Does anyone at Itulip do?


      Originally posted by mooncliff View Post
      Ah ha! This could a story planted by the Chinese to depress the price of gold while they buy more of it up!

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        Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

        Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
        Does anyone at Itulip do?
        Buy 1 ounce coins.

        Gold stuffing/clipping etc. has been around a lot longer than iTulip. It was the ancient hobby of kings.;)

        History rhyming.

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          Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

          Feel comfy buying those Chinese Pandas?

          I have a link somewhere to another Chinese company which will make you fake Rolex & other name brand watches to order "just as good as the originals".

          November 11, 2009
          Tungsten as a Gold Substitute
          by Mike Hewitt
          http://www.safehaven.com/showarticle.cfm?id=14990&pv=1

          " . . .
          A Chinese company called Chinatungsten is advertising imitation gold merchandise on its website. The following quote is taken directly from their Tungsten Alloy for Gold Substitution page:
          "a coin with a tungsten center and gold all around it could not be detected as counterfeit by density measurement alone ... We are well accustomed to exploit more innovative applications of tungsten products. Gold-plated tungsten is one of our main products."
          . . ."
          Last edited by cobben; November 13, 2009, 11:11 AM.
          Justice is the cornerstone of the world

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            Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

            Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
            Mooncliff: I disagree with you. I´m not adept at conspiracy theories, buy what the author is saying, basically is that gold bars can be falsified, which I checked and effectively, gold and tungsten (wikipedia says) differ in density only less than 1 thousand. So, my much considered small stack of "sealed and certified" gold bars could be made of tungsten, whose value is about one thousands of what I think it is.
            And that is not funny.
            Moreover, I own some GLD ETF, which is about to the same thing.
            On the influence of such ocurrence on the price of gold, that can only save some very short term effect, be of elevating same.
            Simple, if part of the substance supposed to be gold is just tungsten, there even less gold around there, therefore price shall go up.
            What to do about?
            I don´t know.
            Does anyone at Itulip do?
            Umm, there is a REASON why there is a premium on 1 oz coins!

            Dump your ETF and buy coins, is that solution enough for you?

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              Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

              Originally posted by cobben View Post
              Feel comy buying those Chinese Pandas?


              " . . .
              A Chinese company called Chinatungsten is advertising imitation gold merchandise on its website. The following quote is taken directly from their Tungsten Alloy for Gold Substitution page:
              "a coin with a tungsten center and gold all around it could not be detected as counterfeit by density measurement alone ... We are well accustomed to exploit more innovative applications of tungsten products. Gold-plated tungsten is one of our main products."
              . . ."
              Oh, stop! Stop! This is too funny! I just choked on my Chinese food!

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                Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                You may call yourself "Dr. No", but we know you are Goldfinger pretending to be shocked, just shocked, to discover that there is some kind of manipulation going on with gold...

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                  Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                  Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
                  Umm, there is a REASON why there is a premium on 1 oz coins!

                  Dump your ETF and buy coins, is that solution enough for you?
                  I second this...did it last year and never felt better. Also if you need more input I think jesse's cafe posts about slv and gld etf pretty often and was the final convincing i needed to 'get physical'....sorry couldn't resist

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                    Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                    Son of a... That's it, no more buying 400 oz bars for me. Maybe I'll take my lottery winnings and go corner the Silver market or something (I wish!).

                    PS. When I saw that Goldman Sachs is playing God now, I was thinking perhaps it's time to alter the constitution from "In god we trust" to "In goLd we trust", but after this story I dunno what to trust anymore :P
                    Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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                      Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                      Any story that mentions gold and possible inside information the Rothchilds may have had sets off my kook alarm. I tried to find the Reuters quote from Reuters itself but was unable. That could be my fault though. The quote is repeated on a few kook websites.

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                        Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                        I believe there are some simple solutions to the gold plated tungsten problem, so probably it is not really a major issue. It is too easily determined without damaging the sample that it is either gold or tungsten inside.

                        Gold is diamagnetic, so is lightly repelled by a strong magnetic field -- it orients itself to oppose the applied field, like a magnet repelling the same pole of another magnet.

                        Tungsten is paramagnetic, so would be lightly attracted to a strong applied magnetic field.

                        So, my guess is that a mirror glued onto a stiff line (a wooden dowel, maybe) with the material under test acting as a mass on a pendulum and a laser reflecting off the mirror onto a distant wall should reveal the attraction or repulsion of the bullion from a very strong magnet. Not a terribly difficult test to conduct and no need even to scratch the surface of the material.

                        Also, for those deprived of a laser pointer, a patient investigator could chill a sample in the freezer, measure it with a micrometer, warm it up to room temperature, measure it again and compute the coefficient of thermal expansion. Gold would expand roughly three times the length of a similar piece containing tungsten.

                        Just my .02 worth. I would guess Fort Knox has pretty good means to measure the gold content of anything they still have lying around as do other serious holders of gold. On the other hand, if all you have is a scale and a beaker of water to measure density, you might get fooled.

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                          Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                          Originally posted by ggirod View Post
                          I believe there are some simple solutions to the gold plated tungsten problem, so probably it is not really a major issue. It is too easily determined without damaging the sample that it is either gold or tungsten inside.
                          Thanks for posting this. Saved me some research. I thought of the thermal expansion thing, but not the diamagnetic/paramagnetic thing. I wonder if there's any money to be made selling a retail test set.

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                            Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                            Thanks for proposing a solution. Here, where I live, the transaction costs on gold are steep. On bars (BTW I don´t own any 400 ounce bars....regretfully) I must pay 6% over international price at the moment of closing. And the stuff is delivered about 2 weeks after being paid for. I´ll check about coins. Though the Chinese seem on the business of faking them too.
                            But reading your posts the solution became obvious...from now on I´ll buy TUNGSTEN.
                            Bigger, but still valuable, and it´s practically uncorruptible, just like gold......;)





                            Originally posted by Adeptus View Post
                            Son of a... That's it, no more buying 400 oz bars for me. Maybe I'll take my lottery winnings and go corner the Silver market or something (I wish!).

                            PS. When I saw that Goldman Sachs is playing God now, I was thinking perhaps it's time to alter the constitution from "In god we trust" to "In goLd we trust", but after this story I dunno what to trust anymore :P

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                              Re: 1.5 Million 400 Troy Ounce Fake Tungsten Gold Bars - Goldfinger - A New Take On Operation Grand

                              I wonder if there's any money to be made selling a retail test set.
                              I guess it could be worth it to try to make a simple device to measure paramagnetic vs diamagnetic properties and see if it would sell on eBay. I will bet finding a sample of tungsten adequate to test the device might be a challenge, and a gold plated one all the more so. I also suspect that anybody having a serious responsibility to assure they are buying gold already has lots of tests and the density test is not the only one. Then again, you could cast some jewelry out of tungsten, plate it, put it in an envelope and send it to Ed McMahon to see how much you get. My first thought was to engineer a volume resistivity test with an AC magnetic field to make a magical meter that detects tungsten vs. gold. It seemed too complex but I could see that such a meter would be pretty sexy for the conspiratorial set.

                              I think the whole issue of gold attracts a lot of conspiracy theories because critical information has been, is, and always will be, unavailable. People who want to manipulate demand are very good at arguing from a lack of data to present all kinds of stories to increase interest. This whole tungsten topic started in 2004 and has had a life of its own since then, I guess.

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