Bubblevision Begins to Break Ranks...

[jneal3]

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Excessive analysis.

Timothy McVeigh killed a lot of people because he was a sociopath. Same with this guy. Say 'this guy' with feeling. Not 'this Muslim'. Sociopaths always have a reason, but the common thread is that they are malformed humans, and there have been malformed humans throughout history and always will be. Once the Muslim religion has joined the modern world, there will be another movement or belief system to blame the actions of sociopaths on. 'Gott mit uns'....

[Raz]

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If he was shouting "Akbar" or whatever, it is likely that he is a religious nut. If so, it is absolutely reasonable for him to kill/injure as many soldiers as he could. Kill the infidels = go to heaven.

Or, he was trying to save his muslim brothers and sisters and children that the soldiers would have killed on their deployment. I am all for killing bad guys, but as we have seen there is collateral damage.

I do not consider this guy a terrorist. He is either a crazy, or a calculating soldier for his cause.

This guy didn't want to go to Afghanistan and participate in the killing of fellow Muslims. But those targeted by the U.S. military for death (the Taliban) have had no qualms whatsoever about killing their fellow Muslims.

Does anyone else see a gross inconsistency here?:confused:

[Blackhawk]

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He was blessing them so they get their 75 virgins. He was doing them a favor. Come on, get with it!

Let's face it... this is a case of do as I say, not as I do. What a lousy Psychiatrist this guy was...

If he didn't want to be deployed... you hop in a car and head to Canada (no offense to the north of the border crowd). It wouldn't be the first time an American did that...

He was a Major by vocation. Those who have served know that the medical officers come in at an elevated rank, without serving a great amount of time. It is more a compensation issue than a matter of anything else. He was a short-timer with limited "real" military leadership exposure.

This guy is no different than the other terrorists seen at Virginia Tech, Colombine or any other place where mass killings have occurred. Unfortunately, because he is a Muslim, the message will be sent. The message will be sent to other muslims who believe in suicide bombings, and to the American people who have had their fill of this crap and are looking for someone or something to blame!

My deepest sympathy to the brave men and women of our armed services that lost their lives on this terrible day. If there is such a thing as an itulip moment of silence... we should all take it!

[jneal3]

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My deepest sympathy to the brave men and women of our armed services that lost their lives on this terrible day. If there is such a thing as an itulip moment of silence... we should all take it!

Yes. Thanks for grabbing the wheel.

[GRG55]

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And your statement is indicative of how many people have their heads in the sand when it comes to Islam, a religion/political movement, that is about anything but peace.

Fortunately, most Muslims seem to be of the secular variety and don't follow the psychopath Muhammad's (no PBUH from me) teachings in full.

And I know what's happening to my nation; it's being attacked on many fronts, a lot from within. Read up on Antonio Gramsci and the long march through the institutions. We're seeing it all come to fruition in our lifetime.

Clearly you have a deep understanding of Islam.

Perhaps the rest of us unfortunates can beg your indulgence to allow us to keep our heads in the sand, while we try to gain the same level of understanding as you of one of the world's great religions and the behaviour of its adherents?

[cjppjc]

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Sounds more like a Muslim that snapped than a Muslim that infiltrated the U.S. Army for the purposes of pulling off an attack against fellow soldiers from within, but that's just an opinion from one armchair.

Seems about right.

[cjppjc]

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Excessive analysis.

Timothy McVeigh killed a lot of people because he was a sociopath. Same with this guy. Say 'this guy' with feeling. Not 'this Muslim'. Sociopaths always have a reason,

Agree. It's just unfathomable to most.

[Raz]

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This isn't a forum to conduct religious studies, but if you [and some of your fellow Americans] had even the most modest understanding of Islam, and the enormous differences in the role that religion plays in the daily lives of Muslims compared to our Christian societies, you may not have come so quickly to this conclusion.

In ancient Rome Caesar was God. The founding of Christianity, which refused to recognize this, placed its followers in the unenviable position of chosing between Caesar and God.

Matthew 22:21
...Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Above is a passage from the Christian bible [King James version]. And therein lies one of the most important differences between Christianity and Islam. As this passage attests, the dichotomy between the State and sacerdotium [the Church] dates back to the earliest days of Christianity. Our present day secular Western societies, which still operate on a significant remnant of Christian values [by which we judge the behaviour of Muslims and others, by the way] derive from this crucial historical separation of the State [Caesar] and the Church.

No such separation exists in Islam. In the polity that is Islam, God is the sole source of law...there is no Caesar. The Prophet Mohammed [PBUH] was both head of the "Church" and the head of State, and to this day Islam makes no distinction between the political community and the religious community...it contains no separate hierarchical institution for religious matters...and this is a circumstance that is the complete antithesis of Christianity and Christian teaching through the ages. The purpose of establishing the great Muslim caliphate, to spread God's revelation after the Prophet's death, was the embodiment of this critical difference between Islam and Christianity...a difference that both Islamic and Christian societies are still grappling with today. This is at the very heart of the conflict between modernity and Islam, in those Muslim nations that are attempting "progress" as measured by our secular Western standards.

So, if a belief that the only law is God's Holy Law, and one is obligated to govern one's life in accordance with that Law, makes one a "religious nut" then the whole of the Muslim world are religious nuts by that definition.

I am by no means trying to condone, excuse or rationalize what Major Hasan did. As I tried to describe in an earlier post on this thread, I don't really think his religion was the primary reason why this happened. I am merely trying to put in context his apparent declaration that "God is Great" ["Allahu Akbar"], and why such a declaration coming from a Muslim should not surprise, or be interpreted as making one either a "terrorist" or a "religious nut", as opposed to a very troubled soul.

Just for the record, I am neither Muslim nor Christian.

Thank you for clarifying this, and doing so nicely.

I felt the need to but the last time I mentioned Christianity our fellow iTuliper SantaFe tore into me like a rabid lion
and accused me of alcoholism or insanity. He basically told me I had no right to be on this forum.

Christ compelled no one. And rightly so, for what good is a forced faith?
This is where the Roman church greatly deviated from the Lord Himself when she prodded
the civil authorities of the Late Middle Ages to murder and burn those whom she declared heretics.

[MulaMan]

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I am trying to encourage you people to apply some critical thinking and put some real context to what is happening in your nation.

You are talking to Fox News watching Republicans here! LOL.

Many of these people are one step away from being the Christian version of Osama Bin Ladin - living in thier caves with a bible and gun. LOL

I am trying to encourage conservatives in America to stop voting Republican because the GOP has nothing to do with American values of freedom and liberty anymore.

The GOP is a coalition between mafia criminals and religious freaks.

[roxtar]

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I guess that he was reported to have been yelling "Allahu Akbar" while killing his comrades is irrelevent, huh? :rolleyes:

Not only totally irrelevant, but more than likely an outright fabrication.

[Master Shake]

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Not only totally irrelevant, but more than likely an outright fabrication.

Guess you haven't been keeping up with the story.

Hassan came to the attention of Federal Investigators when several disturbing internet postings were discovered that appeared to be the work of Hassan. Authorities say that there was not enough information to justify the launching of a full investigation or any criminal charges against Hassan at the time but that they were certainly watching him.

One of the internet postings, believed to be the work of Hassan by Federal Investigators, equates Islamic suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on top of hand grenades to protect their friends. The writing indicates a belief that suicide bombers are hero’s to be admired and not scorned. If these writings and Ideas prove to be those of Major Hassan then indeed a very disturbing situation existed which went without challenge after detection.

The rampage lasted for thirty minutes as Hassan entered a Pre-Deployment Processing Center (PDP), jumped on top of a table and began shooting down on the cubicles below. Emergency responders and police responded quickly and an officer was able to confront the shooter and take him down in an exchange of gunfire that left both wounded. Some witnesses to the event have stated that Major Hassan was yelling "Allahu Akbar" (meaning: "God is Great") as he fired at the unarmed people in the area.

Following his internship, Hassan became a resident and later a fellow.
Working at Walter Reed wasn't as smooth as would be expected for Hassan, though. He received counseling on his behavior following statements and arguments he had with other military personnel, including PTSD patients returning from Afghanistan and Iraq, regarding his opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is also claimed that Hassan voiced sympathetic inclinations towards radical Islamists and their attacks against the United States and its allies.

People who worked with Hassan at Walter Reed state that he was a very quiet man who kept to himself for the most part. He was only noticed when arguing about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dr. Thomas Grieger, a former training director who worked with Hassan, stated that Nidal Hassan had "Difficulties" which required counseling and extra supervision. One former co-worker stated that Hassan often spoke of sympathies for the Afghan Taliban and other Middle Eastern terrorists fighting against the United States and other Western countries. He often referred to the United States as the Aggressor, according to his former co-workers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-21184-Home...-and-wounds-30


Think 9-11 was an inside job, too?

[Raz]

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Not only totally irrelevant, but more than likely an outright fabrication.

Even if he did shout the Muslim cry "God is great!" while gunning down his fellow soldiers, you say it's "irrelevant"?

Who's your Imam? You need to wake up and smell the coffee, friend.
If that is truly your position then I guess "Heil Hitler!" really doesn't mean anything.

[roxtar]

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Guess you haven't been keeping up with the story.

Hassan came to the attention of Federal Investigators when several disturbing internet postings were discovered that appeared to be the work of Hassan. Authorities say that there was not enough information to justify the launching of a full investigation or any criminal charges against Hassan at the time but that they were certainly watching him.

One of the internet postings, believed to be the work of Hassan by Federal Investigators, equates Islamic suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on top of hand grenades to protect their friends. The writing indicates a belief that suicide bombers are hero’s to be admired and not scorned. If these writings and Ideas prove to be those of Major Hassan then indeed a very disturbing situation existed which went without challenge after detection.

The rampage lasted for thirty minutes as Hassan entered a Pre-Deployment Processing Center (PDP), jumped on top of a table and began shooting down on the cubicles below. Emergency responders and police responded quickly and an officer was able to confront the shooter and take him down in an exchange of gunfire that left both wounded. Some witnesses to the event have stated that Major Hassan was yelling "Allahu Akbar" (meaning: "God is Great") as he fired at the unarmed people in the area.

Following his internship, Hassan became a resident and later a fellow.
Working at Walter Reed wasn't as smooth as would be expected for Hassan, though. He received counseling on his behavior following statements and arguments he had with other military personnel, including PTSD patients returning from Afghanistan and Iraq, regarding his opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is also claimed that Hassan voiced sympathetic inclinations towards radical Islamists and their attacks against the United States and its allies.

People who worked with Hassan at Walter Reed state that he was a very quiet man who kept to himself for the most part. He was only noticed when arguing about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dr. Thomas Grieger, a former training director who worked with Hassan, stated that Nidal Hassan had "Difficulties" which required counseling and extra supervision. One former co-worker stated that Hassan often spoke of sympathies for the Afghan Taliban and other Middle Eastern terrorists fighting against the United States and other Western countries. He often referred to the United States as the Aggressor, according to his former co-workers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-21184-Homeland-Security-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Army-Islamic-radical-kills-13-and-wounds-30


Think 9-11 was an inside job, too?

This story comes from the MSM that is, in the opinion of almost everyone on this site with regard to almost every other topic, bought and payed for by SOMEONE SOMEWHERE. I'll start believing what I see in the MSM papers and on TV the day that I can turn on FOX and Friends and NOT see Lockheed Martin commercials.

Think 9-11 was an inside job, too?

Hasn't that become a little cliche' yet?

Who's your Imam?

Yeah, that's right. I don't believe everything that the rip n' readers on TV try to force down my gullet, therefore I'm an America hating Islamo Fascist.

Also: All wood burns, so all that burns must be wood.

If that is truly your position then I guess "Heil Hitler!" really doesn't mean anything.

If the phrase "Hitler in a head scarf" means anything to you, then you really need to turn off the radio and start to think for yourself.

[Raz]

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This story comes from the MSM that is, in the opinion of almost everyone on this site with regard to almost every other topic, bought and payed for by SOMEONE SOMEWHERE. I'll start believing what I see in the MSM papers and on TV the day that I can turn on FOX and Friends and NOT see Lockheed Martin commercials.

Hasn't that become a little cliche' yet?

Yeah, that's right. I don't believe everything that the rip n' readers on TV try to force down my gullet, therefore I'm an America hating Islamo Fascist.

Also: All wood burns, so all that burns must be wood.

If the phrase "Hitler in a head scarf" means anything to you, then you really need to turn off the radio and start to think for yourself.

"Hitler in a head scarf" means nothing to me. I've never heard the term.
I'm sure it must be a phrase coined by the retards who tune in to Fox and avoid a real news outlet like NBC, eh?

I said...IF. I'll repeat it for your thick head: IF he did in fact shout the Muslim cry while gunning down his fellow soldiers, it is highly relevant. For you to claim that even if he did it would still be irrelevant makes you and your opinion irrelevant.

You might want to try posting on the Daily Kos. You'll get a far better reception there.

[Fiat Currency]

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If he didn't want to be deployed... you hop in a car and head to Canada (no offense to the north of the border crowd). It wouldn't be the first time an American did that...

It's funny how Americans always apologize for saying that about Canada, but you almost never hear them say that they could go south of the border. Or stay home.