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    I know the theme is deflationary for housing, but is there an argument, specifically for housing, that would counter the huge decrease in housing prices this author forecasts? Is housing an asset class that will face deflation, as other asset classes (gold, energy and commodities) will inflate as the currency issue continues? In other words, is the 10-20 million shadow supply of homes coming on-line so huge that the supply of houses (soon to be dumped on the market) will overcome even the strong inflationary effects of the currency debasement? Since housing is the largest asset class for most Americans, I am surprised we do not discuss this more.

    http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.co...ces-ready.html

    While today’s Case/Shiller Index numbers (home prices rose slightly from July to August, even as they're still down 11.3% compared to August 2008) are interpreted as positive by the obvious suspects, what I see in it is a fast growing unmitigated disaster for Americans across the board.

    A 1% increase in prices is not exceptional in any way, as we can see in this Mark Hanson graph::



    What the graph also shows is that an estimated 4 million homes will still be sold in 2009, and that is not good news, unless you're trying to offload unwanted properties and/or your income depends on loan transaction fees of one kind or another. If you’re a buyer, you pay too much for the home. If you're a taxpayer, you get stuck with guarantees for loans and securities based on home prices that are too high.

    How much too high? Goldman Sachs said recently that the homebuyer tax credit, modification programs and foreclosure moratoria pushed US housing prices up by 5%. While that looks to be a very low estimate in itself, it doesn't really matter, because it pales in comparison to the price increases caused by the ever more extreme presence of the government in the market.

    This graph from San Francisco Fed senior economist John Krainer shows that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the fast rising star Ginnie Mae (which provides blanket guarantees for FHA securities), who not so long ago were responsible for less than 50% of securitizations, now are left with about 95% of them. They can't sell them to China anymore, those days are over, so the Fed has bought well over $1 trillion of the stuff just in the past year. It's in this graph that the real market-distorting perversity can be found, as well as the reason why the government needs to get out of housing as fast as it can.


    You see, it's starting to look as if the homebuyer tax credit might not be renewed as is, nor even extended. Instead, we're in for a phase out. Which probably means that those people on the Hill that are up for re-election actually have begun to listen to some of the voices critical of this particular tax break. Reports have now come from multiple sides which suggest that the cost per newly purchased home of the credit is anywhere between $43,000 and $292,000, once you exclude the 85% of buyers that would have bought a home regardless of the credit.

    Still, while those reports are convincing and damning at the same time, they tell but a tiny sliver of the real story. Which is that of those 85%, precious few would have been able to purchase a home without the ever-present ever-willing assistance of a full slew of governmental or semi-governmental agencies and corporations eager to buy up and securitize any and all mortgage loans the banking system can lure their dumbfounded and unsuspecting clientele into.

    It would seem reasonable to assume that 85% out of those 85% wouldn't be able to get a mortgage if the government were not so hungry to put the tax revenues it receives from its citizens and voters into a housing (equals mortgage equals banking) market that is guaranteed to collapse someday soon regardless of what amounts of public funds are injected.

    That is at issue here: the US housing market is way beyond any shape or form of salvation. And that in turn means that the only thing the government achieves with its tax credits and other attempts at stimulating or stabilizing the market, or whatever politically palatable term may be found, is an under the radar stealth transfer of real estate losses from the private to the public sector. And I for one don't believe for a moment that Washington doesn't know that.

    So why can we be so sure that US real estate is pining for fjords and pushing up daisies? This weekend's Miami Herald provides a good answer.
    'Shadow market' clouds housing recovery
    [..] an analysis of the so-called shadow market done for The Miami Herald suggests the number of homes and condos in the pipeline to come on the market in South Florida is nearly five times larger than all residential properties currently listed for sale
    It's the sheer number of properties available, and the avalanche of foreclosures and walkaways in the pipeline. There is no way the government can buy them all, or provide and guarantee the credit for 10-20 million new homebuyers to purchase a home. And certainly not at today's elevated prices.

    Oh, and at the same time that the homebuyer tax credit will be phased out, did you hear that the Federal Reserve is about to start phasing out its securities purchases? There’ll be no buyer left. It's hard to predict what other tricks Wall Street's Treasury Department has up its sleeve, but rising or stabilizing home prices are out of the question. It has cost the American people trillions of dollars to prop up the market to the present day, where general price levels have fallen "only" 30%. All attempts to keep the market alive have failed miserably, at least, that is, from the point of view of ordinary Americans.

    With the government support about to vanish, the future prospects for home prices and the building and mortgage industries are Halloween material, while Bank of America (which bought Countrywide) and Wells Fargo (the country's largest mortgage lender) face increasingly shaky days. Home Home prices are ready to go into a freefall. When the smoke clears prices will be down 80-90% from their peak. Needless to say that will cause such a chaos it's hard to predict what America will look like.

    Last edited by Camtender; October 29, 2009, 02:22 PM.

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    Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

    Thanks for the chart and links, Camtender. I think EJ's view is that housing "crashes" take much longer than stock market crashes - in part because of the point you bring up - the banks control the supply and therefore, to some extent, the prices. Instead of a "freefall," I think it's more likely that housing steadily declines for 5+ years, despite inflation (i.e. against oil and gold).

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      Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

      Originally posted by btattoo View Post
      Thanks for the chart and links, Camtender. I think EJ's view is that housing "crashes" take much longer than stock market crashes - in part because of the point you bring up - the banks control the supply and therefore, to some extent, the prices. Instead of a "freefall," I think it's more likely that housing steadily declines for 5+ years, despite inflation (i.e. against oil and gold).
      Thanks for the post; I actually remember reading that now from EJ recently. If you look at Phoenix, Las Vegas and parts of South Florida, the fall was pretty quick. I wonder what would happen if the rest of the areas fall that quick.

      On a side note, I wonder how many of the economic/market analyst have a conflict of interest in housing simple because they have a significant personal investment in house and lack the objectiveness needed to be impartial? I have thought about this for a few years now.

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      • #4
        Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

        Great post Camtender.

        Here is a an easier to read graph (or should I say pic?) on RE (;))

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          Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

          You see, it's starting to look as if the homebuyer tax credit might not be renewed as is, nor even extended. Instead, we're in for a phase out. Which probably means that those people on the Hill that are up for re-election actually have begun to listen to some of the voices critical of this particular tax break.
          Home Buyer Credit Gets New Life

          WASHINGTON -- Senate negotiators reached a tentative deal to extend a tax credit for first-time home buyers, but its passage remains uncertain.

          ....

          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1256...toWhatsNewsTop

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          • #6
            Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

            Good question Camtender, and one I've been pondering also. You'd think at some point things will have to get better or housing will continue to slide. And I don't see things getting better anytime soon. I suspect things will fall along regional lines instead of nationally. Can FL and CA get any worse?

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            • #7
              Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

              Camtender, very good questions and arguments.

              T2 partners analysis (most recent Oct 20, 2009) contains the following interesting snippets:









              Anybody trying to understand the US housing situation and trend would be wise to take a look through that stack of 200 slides. Very informative.

              My amateur take: seasonal changes along with stimulus have created a false hope of recovery and the prices will fall down more to reach historical trend line and maybe even below that, because this is not a standard asset bubble deflation.

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              • #8
                Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                For what it's worth, a friend of a friend is a Wells Fargo VP. He's being transferred from the West to Florida, in anticipation of a significant change in their RE holdings, coming this December- after the phony bonuses are said and done. Has their shadow inventory reached the must-dump range?

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                • #9
                  Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                  Not so fast there guys! They are going to double down - renew the tax credit *and* extend it to people who already own homes.

                  Hoo

                  http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,7286028.story


                  Washington - Senators agreed Wednesday to extend a popular tax credit for first-time home buyers and to offer a smaller credit to some repeat buyers.

                  The tax credit provides up to $8,000 to first-time home buyers but is set to expire at the end of November.

                  Senators agreed to extend the existing tax credit for first-time home buyers while offering a reduced credit of up to $6,500 to repeat buyers who have owned their current homes for at least five years, said Regan Lachapelle, a spokeswoman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

                  The tax credits would be available to buyers who sign purchase agreements by the end of April. They would have until the end of June to close on their new homes, according to a summary of the legislation being circulated among lawmakers.

                  Senators were still negotiating the expansion of a separate tax credit that lets money-losing businesses get refunds for taxes paid in previous years, providing them with an immediate source of cash.

                  Senators in both major parties were hoping to add both tax provisions to a bill that would give people running out of unemployment insurance benefits up to 20 more weeks of federal aid. The Senate could vote on the overall bill as early as today, but lawmakers were still haggling over several unrelated amendments Wednesday evening.

                  Popular bills like the one to extend unemployment benefits often attract amendments that would have a difficult time passing on their own.

                  Republicans were demanding the opportunity to offer amendments to restrict federal aid to the community activist group ACORN and to require that people receiving unemployment benefits be processed through E-Verify, an Internet-based system that employers use to check on the immigration status of new hires.

                  The Senate's majority Democrats have blocked the proposed amendments.

                  If the Senate passes the bill, it would go to the House, which passed a similar bill extending unemployment benefits last month. House leaders have said they support extending the tax credit for home buyers.

                  Lawmakers didn't release a cost estimate for extending the tax credit, though similar proposals were projected to cost about $10 billion.

                  About 1.4 million home buyers have qualified for the existing credit through August. The National Assn. of Realtors estimates that 350,000 of them would not otherwise have bought their homes.

                  The government said Wednesday that new-home sales fell 3.6% last month. Some builders blamed the drop, the first since March, on uncertainty about the tax credit.

                  It takes 45 days to 60 days to close the deal on a house, making it unlikely that a sale made today would be consummated by the end of November.

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                  • #10
                    Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                    long live the fire...............


                    http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg336.htm

                    October 29, 2009
                    TG-336
                    Administration Calls on Congress to Approve Key Housing Measures
                    WASHINGTON, DC – Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan called on Congress to approve three important measures to improve housing and the housing market for Americans: extension of the First Time Homebuyers Tax Credit for a limited period, extension of higher loan limits for home mortgages, and secure funding for the Housing Trust Fund.
                    "We welcome efforts taken by Congress to extend the First Time Homebuyers Tax Credit for a limited period. This credit has brought new families into the housing market and contributed to three consecutive months of rising home prices nationwide," said Secretaries Geithner and Donovan. "In extending the credit, we urge Congress to include strict measures to combat tax fraud and protect responsible homeowners. We also urge Congress to act swiftly to extend the loan limits that currently apply to most mortgages, helping make rates more affordable for middle-class families. Finally, we will work with Congress to identify a financing source for the Housing Trust Fund, which will help provide decent housing for families hardest hit by the current economic downturn."
                    "These three measures will help support our efforts to stabilize the housing market by providing support for the recovery in housing prices, keeping mortgage rates low, and helping people who can afford their homes to avoid foreclosure," said Secretary Geithner.
                    HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan said, "These three measures provide comprehensive support to our recovering housing market and continued access to affordable housing. While extending the tax credit and higher loan limits will help promote homeownership, funding the Housing Trust Fund will provide assistance to renter households impacted by the economic crisis."
                    Fact Sheet

                    Secretary Geithner and Secretary Donovan today announced their support for three key housing measures:
                    • Extend the First Time Homebuyer Credit, with strong anti-fraud measures. The Administration supports a limited extension of the First Time Homebuyers Tax Credit, which is currently set to expire on December 1. This credit has made the difference in bringing new families into the housing market. Those buyers, in turn, have reduced the inventory of unsold homes and contributed to three months in a row of increases in home prices nationwide. A stronger housing market benefits homeowners and strengthens the financial system. In order to reinforce the progress already made this year, the Administration urges Congress to extend the Credit for a limited period. In doing so, we urge the Congress to include effective measures to combat tax fraud, including setting a minimum age for home purchase and requiring documentary proof of the purchase in order to receive the credit.
                    • Extend Loan Limits for Mortgage Loans. The Administration supports a one-year extension of the current loan limits for the Federal Housing Administration, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. This extension is vital in helping support the continued availability of affordable mortgages for many working families and aiding the recovery in the housing markets. Under present law, the current loan limits will expire on December 31. Families are already applying for mortgages that are being turned down or priced higher due to this impending deadline. The extension of the loan limits is being considered in the upcoming Continuing Resolution, and we urge Congress to enact the extensions immediately in order to assure the smooth supply of capital to the housing market.
                    • Secure Financing for the Housing Trust Fund. The Administration is committed to working with the Congress to fund the Housing Trust Fund. This Fund is an important source of support for extremely low income families who otherwise cannot afford decent housing. The Fund was created in the 2008 HERA legislation, but has not had an effective funding source and so has not been able to fulfill its important mission. While the President's Budget proposed to fund the Housing Trust Fund for $1 billion, and fully offset it within the Budget, today the Administration is announcing that it will actively work with Congress to identify a specific offset to assure that level of financing for the Fund.
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                    • #11
                      Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                      Camtender in his initial post referenced a graph from Mark Hanson. His analysis of housing market trends is excellent.

                      http://mhanson.com/blog

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                      • #12
                        Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                        "Oh, and at the same time that the homebuyer tax credit will be phased out, did you hear that the Federal Reserve is about to start phasing out its securities purchases? There’ll be no buyer left. It's hard to predict what other tricks Wall Street's Treasury Department has up its sleeve, but rising or stabilizing home prices are out of the question."

                        So……as of today, it looks like they kick the two main Cans of housing reckoning out a bit further. “Can A” (homebuyer tax credit) is kicked out five months with a paperwork extension period and “Can B” (jumbo/nonconforming home limits) out to December 2010.

                        How long can they kick the Cans?
                        I would suspect that the ratable sun-setting of Can A will not pull many future sales forward for housing and that a much stronger tax incentive will be proposed to get the sales up again. Gasoline on FIRE………..clearly bullish for gold if they don’t stop this nonsense.
                        Does the administration not remember what happened to GM when they went to zero interest rates for 60 months and many analysts said that they were pulling way too many vehicle sales from the future in the 2001 and 2002 era? Look where Government Motors is today.

                        If they continue to keep up these housing shenanigans and tomfoolery, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will become "Fannie Meng" & "Freddie Mao".

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                          Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                          I dont get it... Maybe 8000 bucks is a nice credit if you buy a small house in in rural america, but if you buy even a small suburban house in most areas you are looking northward of 150, 200, 300 K etc. 8 / 200 = 4% big whoop. I don't see this changing anyone's mind to buy or not to buy.

                          It appears we are just writing checks to people who were going to buy a house anyways. Oh and if you do buy that small old house in small town america at 100K, where 8000 bucks makes a difference, do you really get 8K credit? How many of these people have an 8K federal income tax burden? If they are making 40 - 50k They are probably paying less than 5K in taxes, so they are really getting a 5k deduction, unless of course the credit is structured to give you check if your credit exceeds your liabliities, or the balance of the credit can be carried forward to next year.

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                          • #14
                            Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                            The 8,000 credit covers the average transaction fee - real estate and mortgage broker fees - do you think congress would actually give money to average Americans?

                            NAR (National Association of Realtors) is a strong lobby in D.C. and wants thier commisions.

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                            • #15
                              Re: US house prices ready for a freefall - end of US Govt. support

                              Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
                              The 8,000 credit covers the average transaction fee - real estate and mortgage broker fees - do you think congress would actually give money to average Americans?

                              NAR (National Association of Realtors) is a strong lobby in D.C. and wants thier commisions.
                              Mula Man,
                              A most perceptive observation. Thanks. Stetts

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