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  • American Idea.

    The following is from Walter Williams of George Mason University:
    American Idea
    Americans are harder workers, more philanthropic, individualistic, self-reliant, anti-government than people in most other countries. We’ve turned what was an 18th-century Third World nation into the freest and most prosperous nation in mankind’s entire history. Throughout our history, United States has been a magnet for immigrants around the world. What accounts for what some have called American exceptionalism?

    We Americans, as human beings, are no different from any other people, including Germans, Russians, Chinese, Africans and other people who have produced tyrannical regimes such as those of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Idi Amin. As such we are just as capable of committing acts of gross evil that have been a part of mankind throughout his history. We’ve not been a perfect nation but we’ve never approached the level of hideousness seen in other nations. That’s despite the fact that our population consists of people who have for centuries been trying to slaughter one another in their home countries, whether it’s between the French and Germans, English and Irish, Japanese and Chinese, or Palestinians and Jews, Igbos and the Hausa of Nigeria. Thrown into the American mosaic are religions that have been in conflict for centuries such as Catholic and Protestant, and Christian and Muslim. The question is: Why is the United States an exception and will it remain so?

    At the heart of the American idea is the deep distrust and suspicion the founders of our nation had for government, distrust and suspicion not shared as much by today’s Americans. Some of the founders’ distrust is seen in our Constitution’s language such as Congress shall not: abridge, infringe, deny, disparage, violate and deny. If the founders did not believe Congress would abuse our God-given rights, they would not have provided those protections. After all, one would not expect to find a Bill of Rights in Heaven; it would be an affront to God. Other founder distrust for government is found in the Constitution’s separation of powers, checks and balances and the several anti-majoritarian provisions such as the Electoral College and the requirement that three-quarters of state legislatures ratify changes in the Constitution.

    The three branches of our federal government are no longer bound by the Constitution as the framers envisioned and what is worse is American ignorance and acceptance of such rogue behavior. Look at the current debate over government involvement in health, business bailouts and stimulus packages. The debate centers around questions as whether such involvement is a good idea or a bad idea and whether one program is more costly than another. Those questions are entirely irrelevant to what should be debated, namely: Is such government involvement in our lives permissible under the U.S. Constitution?

    That question is not part of the debate. The American people, along with our elected representatives, whether they’re Republicans or Democrats, care less about what is and what is not permissible under our Constitution. They think Congress has the right to do anything upon which they can secure a majority vote, whether they have the constitutional or moral authority to do so or not. What Congress does have is the brute force to enforce compliance with their unconstitutional acts. You say, "What do you mean, Williams?" Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the power to tax and spend for the enumerated activities therein. Every American is duty bound to pay his share. Congress has neither constitution nor moral authority to take the earnings of one American for the benefit of another American. What do you think will happen to you if don’t comply, say with Congress' demand that part of your earnings be taken to bail out a failing business? You’ll see all the brute force that you want to see and if you resist too much, death is not off the table.

    We are losing what’s made our country great. Instead of moving toward greater liberty, we’re moving toward greater government control of our lives.


    Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.

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    Excuse me, but wasn't America the world's last industrial nation to get rid of slavery, the last land of slave auctions, plantations, the Christian-right, and the six-man hanging at Ft. Smith, Arkansas? Wasn't it the land of the drug war, the KKK, the land of strict racial segregation in the South until 1965, and the land of English-only, even now?

    And then there is this matter of Bush's gulag, a gulag far worse and far bigger than anything Stalin ever had imagined, not to mention the issue of 2.5 million people in that gulag, more than any other nation on Earth? Why does the U.S. have 24% of the world's prison population?

    No right to privacy. No right to healthcare. No language freedom. No right to equality. No freedom from religion --- a Constitution rather silent about these issues?........ What about that kind of America, the America that really still exists to this day?

    Why does the rural South have so much representation in the Congress, and why are highly populated states like California ignored? Why are lobbyists able to legally buy votes in the Congress? Wasn't the Congress supposed to represent the people?

    Or maybe I was just imagining this? After all, this was never really taught to me in the American public school system. And not a word about this apparently, at George Mason University, either.:rolleyes:
    Last edited by Starving Steve; October 27, 2009, 11:23 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: American Idea.

      Steve, you really do like trouble.
      Last edited by LargoWinch; October 28, 2009, 06:16 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: American Idea.

        It you do not trust government then the first step would be to remove the military, department of defence, pentagon, CIA, and FBI.

        End of all wars and occupation of other people's land immediately.

        That would be enough money to provide free education and health care to all Americans.

        That would be the most American Idea of all.

        Almost all Americans have forgot the American Idea was freedom from imperial powers and now America is one itself - that must be the starting point.

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        • #5
          Re: American Idea.

          Originally posted by Starving Steve
          And then there is this matter of Bush's gulag, a gulag far worse and far bigger than anything Stalin ever had imagined, not to mention the issue of 2.5 million people in that gulag, more than any other nation on Earth? Why does the U.S. have 24% of the world's prison population?
          It is ridiculous to say that Stalin's gulags were better than Bush's - whether or not you include the full American prison population or just Guantanamo.

          Certainly Stalin had his reasons - preservation of the completely artificial USSR - an issue that the United States of America doesn't have, but the gulags under Stalin were both larger and killed more people.

          As for the US and the percentage of the world's prison population - there are several reasons for that:

          1) Extremely limited use of the death penalty
          2) Draconian drug laws
          3) Profits from privatized prisons - i.e. Katherine Austen Fitts' allegations

          A possible fourth is the large minority of African-Americans which is significantly alienated from the mainstream economy.

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            Re: American Idea.

            Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
            Excuse me, but wasn't America the world's last industrial nation to get rid of slavery, the last land of slave auctions, plantations, the Christian-right, and the six-man hanging at Ft. Smith, Arkansas? Wasn't it the land of the drug war, the KKK, the land of strict racial segregation in the South until 1965, and the land of English-only, even now?

            And then there is this matter of Bush's gulag, a gulag far worse and far bigger than anything Stalin ever had imagined, not to mention the issue of 2.5 million people in that gulag, more than any other nation on Earth? Why does the U.S. have 24% of the world's prison population?

            No right to privacy. No right to healthcare. No language freedom. No right to equality. No freedom from religion --- a Constitution rather silent about these issues?........ What about that kind of America, the America that really still exists to this day?

            Why does the rural South have so much representation in the Congress, and why are highly populated states like California ignored? Why are lobbyists able to legally buy votes in the Congress? Wasn't the Congress supposed to represent the people?
            Anyone see a correlation?

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            • #7
              Re: American Idea.

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              It is ridiculous to say that Stalin's gulags were better than Bush's - whether or not you include the full American prison population or just Guantanamo.

              Certainly Stalin had his reasons - preservation of the completely artificial USSR - an issue that the United States of America doesn't have, but the gulags under Stalin were both larger and killed more people.

              As for the US and the percentage of the world's prison population - there are several reasons for that:

              1) Extremely limited use of the death penalty
              2) Draconian drug laws
              3) Profits from privatized prisons - i.e. Katherine Austen Fitts' allegations

              A possible fourth is the large minority of African-Americans which is significantly alienated from the mainstream economy.
              It's ridiculous to say that America or Bush even has "gulags." Steve's off his meds again.
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                Re: American Idea.

                Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                I don't see what point you are making here - sorry.
                Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                • #9
                  Re: American Idea.

                  We’ve not been a perfect nation but we’ve never approached the level of hideousness seen in other nations.
                  You might want to ask a native American about this. Steve touches on this pretty well also.

                  At the heart of the American idea is the deep distrust and suspicion the founders of our nation had for government,
                  The implication that we should distrust a democratically elected government like the founding fathers distrusted ruthless Monarchies is pretty absurd.

                  If the founders did not believe Congress would abuse our God-given rights, they would not have provided those protections. After all, one would not expect to find a Bill of Rights in Heaven; it would be an affront to God.
                  I'm not sure which god or goddess this guy thinks he got his rights from, but I'm glad the founding fathers decided to write it down on paper so I don't have to ask the Mullah down the street what my rights are.

                  The three branches of our federal government are no longer bound by the Constitution as the framers envisioned...
                  Maybe we can just dissolve the Supreme Court and ask Mr. Williams whenever there is a constitutionality question since he possesses the unique ability to read the minds of the dead framers of our constitution.

                  We are losing what’s made our country great.
                  Is there a video of Mr. Williams crying into the camera when he laments how we are losing our country? No wait, that's Glenn Beck. Maybe they're related.

                  Sorry Largo, it's BS wrapped in a flag of misguided nationalism.

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                  • #10
                    Re: American Idea.

                    Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                    I don't see what point you are making here - sorry.
                    Sorry, my fault. Global internet visits to Itulip.com are down 23% in the last 3 months. Perhaps correlated to the increasing number of "Stalin was great" and other similar postings that seem to be poping up rather often in the news section lately? I have been on here for several years and I don't remember as much of that kind of "stuff" when I started. If there had been, I probably would have been inclined to move on to something else too. I know I don't visit as often, because I simply don't have the time to wade through some of the BS junk that gets posted on here now. ALL internet forum sites have the potential to be seen as something of a joke when too many posts like this continue to crop up. I think Fred has referred to this also.(if I remember correctly). Save the Rants, crop circles, and other consipracy theories for Rant n Rave section.

                    Steve, we get it. You don't like Southerners, Pot smoking hippies, Republicans, etc.

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                    • #11
                      Re: American Idea.

                      Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post

                      Sorry Largo, it's BS wrapped in a flag of misguided nationalism.
                      No need to be sorry we_are_toast since your analysis spot on.

                      What I do like from this piece however is the emphasis on small government...

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                      • #12
                        Re: American Idea.

                        Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                        Sorry, my fault. Global internet visits to Itulip.com are down 23% in the last 3 months. Perhaps correlated to the increasing number of "Stalin was great" and other similar postings that seem to be poping up rather often in the news section lately?
                        Certainly there has been a fair amount of drivel, but I don't find it overly changed from before. I think the decline can be attributed to the economy.

                        When things plunged, I'm sure lots of people started visiting the site because it was one of the ones to "get it right". Now that things appear to be getting back to "normal" (my opinion: we're in the eye of the storm) they're dropping off.

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                        • #13
                          Re: American Idea.

                          Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                          Sorry Largo, it's BS wrapped in a flag of misguided nationalism.
                          Completely disagree.
                          Don't know what you mean by "misguided"; he does come off emphatic if not somewhat pissed.
                          If it's anything to lable, it's not Nationalism, but "Republicanism", i.e., a lament for the loss of the U.S. Constitutional Republic form of government.

                          I understand why anyone in power in gov or anyone who lobbies and benefits from direct gov handouts or anyone who believes philosophically in big gov taking care of us all would not be in agreement with this piece though.

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                          • #14
                            Re: American Idea.

                            Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                            I know I don't visit as often, because I simply don't have the time to wade through some of the BS junk that gets posted on here now.
                            Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand your point.

                            Occassionally when I find a particular iTulip contributor is more bother than he's worth, I add him to my ignore list. On the other hand, having once had a job requiring active participation in several software project email lists, resulting in a few thousand emails per day coming through my personal custom dedicated email server, I have gotten quite good at not reading what I don't find worth reading.
                            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                            • #15
                              Re: American Idea.

                              Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                              ...And then there is this matter of Bush's gulag, a gulag far worse and far bigger than anything Stalin ever had imagined, not to mention the issue of 2.5 million people in that gulag, more than any other nation on Earth? Why does the U.S. have 24% of the world's prison population?

                              No right to privacy. No right to healthcare. No language freedom. No right to equality. No freedom from religion --- a Constitution rather silent about these issues?........ What about that kind of America, the America that really still exists to this day?

                              Why does the rural South have so much representation in the Congress, and why are highly populated states like California ignored? ...
                              I have Russian friends, Steve. And I've read more Russian history than you even know about.
                              Comparing Stalin, the Monster-in-Blood to "W" reveals your hyperbole to be utterly idiotic.

                              Healthcare is not now nor will it ever be a "right" - even if the United States government says it is. They can't pay for it without taking away actual rights (property rights) from someone else. And I doubt that they can pay for it even then.

                              "Freedom from religion"? You mean denying me the right to believe in and practice mine, don't you, Steve?
                              Like who is FORCING you to believe anything? You wouldn't have any of these freedoms had not the Founders believed certain rights to be "inalienable" - granted by God, NOT man. The whole idea of their inalienablity is that man cannot take them away!

                              "Why does the Rural South have so much representation in Congress?"
                              Why don't you know that we retained ACORN to conduct the Census down here, perpetrating a massive fraud allowing us to have more Congressmen that you Left Coasters and New England Yankees! Yeah, that's it! The South cheated on the Census numbers! :confused: :rolleyes:

                              You really do need to get back on your meds.

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