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  • The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

    It feels so good to finally be number one at something other than bobsled. Thank you CMHC!


    That is sure to make every Gollum proud...



    Why Canada’s Housing Bubble Will Burst
    Posted on October 22, 2009 by murraydobbin

    What do the mid-recession housing boom and the Harper Conservatives’ rise in the polls have in common? Answer: the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s massive sub-prime mortgage scheme that is keeping up the appearance of an economic recovery. Reading the newspapers these days, you have to wonder whether Canada was on another planet when the global credit crisis hit. House prices have actually increased in some provinces and now there is a shortage of houses for sale in southern Ontario. Credit is flowing everywhere.
    But what few Canadians realize is that the housing market has avoided collapse (prices are down 32 per cent in the U.S.) because the Harper Conservatives directed the CMHC to change the mortgage rules to effectively make the Canadian government the biggest sub-prime lender in the world. What’s almost as alarming as this reckless policy is that no one in the financial media is talking about it, even though everyone knows the facts. I was alerted to the scandal by David Lepoidevin, a financial advisor with National Bank Financial, in a warning letter to his clients.

    The facts are that over 90 per cent of existing mortgages in Canada are “securitized.” That is the practice of pooling mortgages (or other assets) and then issuing new securities backed by the pool — MBSs, or Mortgage Backed Securities. That’s what happened with the sub-prime mortgages in the U.S. which (because the whole pool was so diversified) received triple-A ratings by the rating agencies. Losses around the world amounted to hundred of billions of dollars
    Credit is still tight in the U.S. because no private investor has the stomach for such risky MBSs. That’s because those losses were private and not back-stopped by any government. In Canada, mortgages have been securitized for years. The Canadian-issued securitizations are called National Housing Act, Mortgage-Backed Securities. Unlike the failed U.S. pools, says Lepoidevin, “In order to find buyers for securitized mortgage pools, the Government of Canada has put guarantees on them” by directing CMHC to guarantee all Canadian mortgages.

    Propping up the real estate market

    So long as borrowing requirements were tight, the percentage of loans that were securitized remained modest. But in 2007 the Harper government allowed the CMHC to dramatically change its rules: it dropped the down payment requirement to zero per cent and extended the amortization period to 40 years. In light of the mortgage meltdown in the U.S., Finance Minister Flaherty moderated those rules in August 2008 (it’s now five per cent down and 35 years). But these are still relatively very loose requirements and securitization has taken off.

    By the end of 2007 there were $138 billion in NHA securitized pools outstanding and guaranteed by CMHC –17.8 per cent of all outstanding mortgages. By June 30, 2009, that figure was $290 billion, a figure Lepoidevin says, “exceeds the total value of mortgages offered by CMHC in its 57 years of existence!” CMHC’s stated goal was to guarantee $340 billion by the end of this year and is on track to reach $500 billion by the end of 2010. Total mortgage credit in Canada will grow by 12-14 per cent of GDP in 2009.

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    Continued here.

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    Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

    Don't tell Vancouvergoinup!

    Oh ok, go ahead and tell him.

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    • #3
      Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

      That's interesting... and worrying ! Does it mean that Canada will be even more worse off than the US when its bubble bursts ? That will be interesting to see !

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      • #4
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        I was recently in Vancouver and was shocked by the price (overprice) of housing. A friend told me that $800k+ houses easily sell in days. It looks like another case of too much debt and not enough income to service the debt. After seeing the market in the U.S. and our crazy run up and bust, I would say the housing market, at least in Vancouver, definitely has bubble characteristics.

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        • #5
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          <sarcasm>I'm surprised, shocked and appalled. Really. I mean it. </sarcasm>

          Actually whenever I hear the radio ads on how affordable mortgages have become I've been silently blaming Carney & BoC.

          So now I know it's both, but these actions are not clearly, visibly traceable to the government in the way the Australian subsidies are.

          That's important, I suppose - it's OK for the current Aus administration, but Harper needs to be able to claim he's "conservative"

          (like most he's actually "forget doing the right thing', I'm anything I need to be to get power").

          Steven Harper, putting the "con" in conservative.

          I thought at one time Harper got really, really lucky with the last election call. Good call, good for him. Now I'm not so sure.

          Largo, do you think anyone in the Conservative party was smart enough to see the meltdown coming & get Harper to call the election before it was too late?

          I used to doubt it ...

          [*] I used to write "the people's Bank of Canada", now I'll start writing

          the (anti) people's BoC

          'cos they ain't helpin' no bloody peoples of no bloody Canada.

          Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
          It feels so good to finally be number one at something other than bobsled. Thank you CMHC!

          Last edited by Spartacus; October 24, 2009, 02:58 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

            Originally posted by Anon21456 View Post
            Does it mean that Canada will be even more worse off than the US when its bubble bursts ?
            I seriously doubt it. It means that house prices will revert to the mean - eventually.

            While Canada's debt percentages aren't that far off from the US ...

            - its banking system is on way more solid ground
            - its foreign debts and bonds aren't going to implode
            - it's not the world's reserve currency
            - its resource sector will do better than whatever's left of US manufacturing and exports

            It also means - that no matter where you live - you can be sure your Government will try to "help" your economy. :eek:

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            • #7
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              Any ideas of which companies to short in Canada for when it busts?

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              • #8
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                Well that explains the two foreclosures on my street that sat empty for 18 months and finally were re-sold by CMHC for $100,000 less than they were originally mortgaged for. A flipper bought one of them, has tried to "fix it up for the last 6 months" and it is still empty.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

                  Originally posted by Fiat Currency View Post
                  I seriously doubt it. It means that house prices will revert to the mean - eventually.

                  While Canada's debt percentages aren't that far off from the US ...

                  - its banking system is on way more solid ground
                  That's only because the banks have securitized nearly all the mortgages or pawned them off to the CMHC (the vast majority). But as we have come to learn recently, liquidized banks don't a strong economy make, nor will that guarantee more mortgage lending. When the CMHC party ends, real estate will tank... strong banks, or no strong banks. The consumer debt levels are insane.

                  - its foreign debts and bonds aren't going to implode
                  Perhaps not, but who wants to buy Canadian bonds at 0.4% - Even the national newspapers are laughing at the situation.

                  - it's not the world's reserve currency
                  Umm, that's not an arguement point for a stable economy. The second we get in trouble, precisely because we're not the reserve currency, we'll be facing the music instantly.

                  - its resource sector will do better than whatever's left of US manufacturing and exports
                  Yes, we have large amounts of resources, especially per capita; however the resource sector depends on export capabilities or else it tanks. Given 80% of Canadian exports are to the USA, that too ain't gonna shine, except for gold and our (dirty) oil.

                  It also means - that no matter where you live - you can be sure your Government will try to "help" your economy.
                  Really? I don't see any economy doing great anywhere. I think what you meant was that no matter where you live the governments are going to help the banks. Banks != economy.

                  Vancouver Specuvestment properties will tank the second interest rates start rising, only a question of time... tick tock tick BOOOM!

                  Adeptus
                  Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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                  • #10
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                    There are two good outcomes from this... 1) Canadians will get their comeuppance for being soooo sanctimonious about our special banks and our apparent prudence 2) the added liabilities will help to drive down the value of the CAD so I can keep working...

                    Not too optimistic about 2 medium term but 1's not a bad consolation prize.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

                      Originally posted by oddlots View Post
                      There are two good outcomes from this... 1) Canadians will get their comeuppance for being soooo sanctimonious about our special banks and our apparent prudence 2) the added liabilities will help to drive down the value of the CAD so I can keep working...

                      Not too optimistic about 2 medium term but 1's not a bad consolation prize.
                      I haven't heard much of #1 from regular folk (my assumption that the folk I run with are regular may not be accurate, ha ha ha ... although the DO eat a lot of bran, so maybe they are regular).

                      I definitely agree some are running blindfolded toward a cliff. I've felt this way for 4 years.

                      As to #2, I take it you do know that the markets can remain crazy far longer than you can remain solvent.
                      Last edited by Spartacus; October 25, 2009, 01:07 AM.

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                      • #12
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                        I'm fully stocked with hard tack I assure you. And I can always sell the house. ()

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

                          It is interesting and saddening news, but I must disagree on one part:

                          Canada is not the largest subprime lender in the world. The largest is the US government via its FHA, Fannie, Freddie, VA and various other programs.

                          Its good to be king...

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

                            Originally posted by Spartacus View Post

                            Largo, do you think anyone in the Conservative party was smart enough to see the meltdown coming & get Harper to call the election before it was too late?

                            I used to doubt it ...

                            Bah. You give them way too much credit. They are just Keynesian morons hanging to the ropes of power.

                            Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                            [*] I used to write "the people's Bank of Canada", now I'll start writing

                            the (anti) people's BoC

                            'cos they ain't helpin' no bloody peoples of no bloody Canada.
                            What do you mean? Saving account rates of 1.05% is no help? (if you can find them). Please, don't be greedy now... :rolleyes:

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Canadian Government is Now The Biggest Sub-Prime Lender In The World

                              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                              It is interesting and saddening news, but I must disagree on one part:

                              Canada is not the largest subprime lender in the world. The largest is the US government via its FHA, Fannie, Freddie, VA and various other programs.

                              Its good to be king...
                              c1ue; it is hard not to agree with you on this...but nothing like a "shock" title to get viewers attention! ;)

                              The bottom line is this however: the mess is spread ALL around for those still in denial.

                              I am just trying to cheer up my American cousins with the old "look the grass is brown there too! Time for group hug"

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