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  • U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

    nice article viewing the current crisis in a more geopolitical vantage point:
    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14364.html

    The confluence of record debt levels in the West as savings in the East reached record levels has altered our world in a way not yet understood: UK and US control over global credit is ending and it was this control over credit that was responsible for their extraordinary geopolitical influence.
    Yes, we are at a crossroad, historically, politically, and economically.

    That Russia and China, both former communist powers, support the return of gold and silver whereas the US and UK, both capitalist powers, do not is understandable. This is because the power of capitalism lies in its substitution of credit for gold and silver, a monetary slight-of-hand which England and the US leveraged for financial gain and world dominion—over Russia and China.

    The ability to print money in a world where everyone is for sale is an immense advantage

    The capital of capitalism is, in actuality, a smoke and mirrors shell game wherein credit and debt are substituted for money; and, as long as the game of capitalism expands no one is the wiser because the fraud is so subtle. Capitalism, however, is no longer expanding. It is contracting.
    This cannot last forever.

    The symmetry of history is as wonderful to behold as it is surprising to those who do not understand it. In the 1800s, England “woke” China by forcing China to accept British opium under the guise of free trade; but it was actually China’s refusal to accept England’s paper money that caused England to invade China.

    Today, just as then, the intent of the West is to leverage its paper money in order to maintain its advantage in paper-based capital markets; but, today, circumstances are far different. Today, China is awake.
    Anyone wonder why China is showing off her military might lately? They learn their historical lesson well, indeed. No more freeloading, deadbeats!

    Burdened by increasingly onerous amounts of defaulting debt as their credit-based economies contract and collapse, they are now reduced to printing more and more money desperately hoping to outrun the compounding debt they themselves created.

    Deflation is a monetary black hole that once in motion can’t be escaped
    To support the declining value of their paper currencies, central bankers in the West and Japan are struggling to control the price of gold, the one indicator that mirrors the declining value of paper money.

    In this struggle, too, central bankers are losing control. Only by selling more and more of their gold have they been able to slow gold’s rise. Today, literally, they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel as they are running out of deliverable gold.

    Toronto analyst Rob Kirby’s recounting of the behind-the-scenes activity that recently drove up the price of gold is but one example of this on-going battle. On the last day in September, Kirby reported large buyers of gold entered the futures market and demanded immediate physical delivery on the September contract.

    The counterparties, allegedly JP Morgan Chase and Deutsche Bank, both complicit in the central bank suppression of gold, counter offered with premiums 25% above spot if the contracts could be settled with paper money instead of physical gold but the buyers refused, sending gold to record highs as the banks scrambled to deliver gold they did not own.
    Questions were also raised about the quality of the gold bars delivered.

    Evidently, the bars provided by the Bank of England had to be re-cast as to meet the .999 quality necessary for delivery; and Professor Antal Fekete in his current article, The Gold Basis Is Dead—Long Live The Gold Basis, adds more to the controversy surrounding deliverable gold.
    Get and hold your physical gold. Its price might go to the moon.

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    Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

    Well, some other times I´ve seen articles on supposed shortages of gold bullion, which ended up being not true...
    Does someone on ITULIP has information about this time being true?



    Originally posted by skyson View Post
    nice article viewing the current crisis in a more geopolitical vantage point:
    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14364.html



    Yes, we are at a crossroad, historically, politically, and economically.



    This cannot last forever.



    Anyone wonder why China is showing off her military might lately? They learn their historical lesson well, indeed. No more freeloading, deadbeats!



    Get and hold your physical gold. Its price might go to the moon.

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      Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

      there was a Palladium shortage threat a while ago. More Palladium was being used industrially than could be mined.

      There cannot be a Gold "shortage" in that same way. If you have money you can get Gold - Gold will not run out.

      What you may be thinking is whether some people, corporations and hedge funds masquerading as banks who have sold Gold contracts short will not be able to deliver against them, or whether the exchanges underwriting the activity, and ensuring there's enough metal to go around will be able to make good, or whether the exchange is lying.

      This happens all the time. Lots of small players in the futures markets overdo the leverage and go bankrupt. If they sold short they cannot deliver.

      IMHO this has happened quietly several times, but the numbers were not big enough to make the news.

      The Chinese company headquartered in Singapore that lost billions on petroleum futures. Big news, but boring, so only a few people ever heard about it. Similar thing happened to another Chinese company in Copper 2 years ago.

      The London Metal Exchange defaulted on Zinc delivery requirements 3 years ago. Until the day they defaulted they were denying rumours of impending default. Ever hear about it? Nope. Not big enough, and probably too geeky & technical to report on the mainstream media. And the players are connected enough that no one went to jail. Or maybe since it's in Britain, people were less willing to sue than they would have been in the US (I wish someone had filed lawsuits)

      there's your long answer - it's happened, perhaps it's happened in a huge way, but IMHO it's been kept quiet.

      Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
      Well, some other times I´ve seen articles on supposed shortages of gold bullion, which ended up being not true...
      Does someone on ITULIP has information about this time being true?

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      • #4
        Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        there was a Palladium shortage threat a while ago. More Palladium was being used industrially than could be mined.

        There cannot be a Gold "shortage" in that same way. If you have money you can get Gold - Gold will not run out.

        What you may be thinking is whether some people, corporations and hedge funds masquerading as banks who have sold Gold contracts short will not be able to deliver against them, or whether the exchanges underwriting the activity, and ensuring there's enough metal to go around will be able to make good, or whether the exchange is lying.

        This happens all the time. Lots of small players in the futures markets overdo the leverage and go bankrupt. If they sold short they cannot deliver.

        IMHO this has happened quietly several times, but the numbers were not big enough to make the news.

        The Chinese company headquartered in Singapore that lost billions on petroleum futures. Big news, but boring, so only a few people ever heard about it. Similar thing happened to another Chinese company in Copper 2 years ago.

        The London Metal Exchange defaulted on Zinc delivery requirements 3 years ago. Until the day they defaulted they were denying rumours of impending default. Ever hear about it? Nope. Not big enough, and probably too geeky & technical to report on the mainstream media. And the players are connected enough that no one went to jail. Or maybe since it's in Britain, people were less willing to sue than they would have been in the US (I wish someone had filed lawsuits)

        there's your long answer - it's happened, perhaps it's happened in a huge way, but IMHO it's been kept quiet.
        Good response, Spartacus. I'd like to add that the conversion rate from large gold delivery bars of the type traded on commodity exchanges to small coins of the type favored by small retail investors is limited by the capacity of the mints. In the past, when there was a sudden spike in the demand for delivery of physical gold, some of the coins were hard to find in stock. It wasn't the case that there was a "gold shortage", but there definitely was a shortage of small-denomination gold coins available for retail investors.

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        • #5
          Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

          Originally posted by UK Market Oracle
          In the 1800s, England “woke” China by forcing China to accept British opium under the guise of free trade; but it was actually China’s refusal to accept England’s paper money that caused England to invade China.
          To expand on this statement: Britain itself was losing bullion silver at an alarming rate due to the tea/silk/china imports.

          China at the time used bullion silver as currency.

          It has been speculated that the opium trade was encouraged in order to rectify this trade imbalance.

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          • #6
            Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
            It has been speculated that the opium trade was encouraged in order to rectify this trade imbalance.
            Can you smoke a greenback?

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            • #7
              Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              To expand on this statement: Britain itself was losing bullion silver at an alarming rate due to the tea/silk/china imports.

              China at the time used bullion silver as currency.

              It has been speculated that the opium trade was encouraged in order to rectify this trade imbalance.
              One of my undergraduate history professors wrote a book on the Opium Wars which I later read. He took that view. It came down to the fact that Britain had high demand for Chinese exports, but that there was inadequate demand in China for any goods produced by Britain (except opium) with which to balance the trade.

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              • #8
                Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                Originally posted by ASH View Post
                Good response, Spartacus. I'd like to add that the conversion rate from large gold delivery bars of the type traded on commodity exchanges to small coins of the type favored by small retail investors is limited by the capacity of the mints. In the past, when there was a sudden spike in the demand for delivery of physical gold, some of the coins were hard to find in stock. It wasn't the case that there was a "gold shortage", but there definitely was a shortage of small-denomination gold coins available for retail investors.
                Not only for retail investors this time:

                Skepticism About Gold Reserves Is Spreading
                http://www.marketskeptics.com/

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                • #9
                  Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                  Originally posted by ASH View Post
                  One of my undergraduate history professors wrote a book on the Opium Wars which I later read. He took that view. It came down to the fact that Britain had high demand for Chinese exports, but that there was inadequate demand in China for any goods produced by Britain (except opium) with which to balance the trade.
                  any parallels between now and then? i see china this time wants to buy many things from US, but US does not want to "sell-out" "strategic things"...

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                  • #10
                    Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                    China and Russia don't want gold anymore than the US does. This is what people don't understand in the slightest.

                    They THRIVE on authority, these nations, their ability to control. Gold undermines authority.

                    Gold is the *soul* of freedom, libertarianism, and capitalism.

                    Does anything about China and Gold seem particularly compatible?

                    What we're going to see is a drop in the currency and the US/Japan/Europe are going to have a drop in living standards. Unemployment will remain high until the labor force properly restructures itself.

                    There will be major shift in the balance of power, it will just becomes more balanced.

                    The next major power will not be China, the next major power will be the intellectual elite that manufactures cheap energy, AI and Robots. This elite will be nationless and global. Rather than having rich nations and poor nations we will just have rich people and poor people.

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                    • #11
                      Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                      Gold is not the soul of anything. It is nothing more than a lump of metal. It has certain qualities that make it very desirable as a means of effectuating trade. However, these qualities make it no more likely or less likely that a society reaches social nirvana or a totalitarian hell.

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                      • #12
                        Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                        Never been to India, have you? And if Gold has a soul in India, Silver has Soul, Spirit and psyche.

                        And in parts of Europe (silver linings and bullets) & South America (I've forgotten the specifics, darn it) the mythology surrounding Silver is quite interesting.

                        So maybe not a soul, but imputations of magic ... (magical thinking anyway).

                        Originally posted by kartius919 View Post
                        Gold is not the soul of anything. It is nothing more than a lump of metal. It has certain qualities that make it very desirable as a means of effectuating trade. However, these qualities make it no more likely or less likely that a society reaches social nirvana or a totalitarian hell.

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                        • #13
                          Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                          Sure. Just as there are wizards and goblins roaming the earth searching for harry potter. Indians also believe in the sacred bovine. Might underscore the importance of gold and silver (and cows) in those societies when it imbues them with special powers. Whether is has special powers or not I will leave to the fiction writers.

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                          • #14
                            Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                            I just read a Reuters article that China GDP growth is now expected to be running at 14.1%:eek:

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                              Re: U.S. Paper Dollars And Asian Gold Reserves, Chasing the Dragon

                              Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                              The next major power will not be China, the next major power will be the intellectual elite that manufactures cheap energy, AI and Robots. This elite will be nationless and global. Rather than having rich nations and poor nations we will just have rich people and poor people.

                              it is already happening, wall street is the real master.

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