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    The demise of the dollar

    By Robert Fisk

    In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading

    In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning - along with China, Russia, Japan and France - to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

    Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

    The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.
    The Americans, who are aware the meetings have taken place - although they have not discovered the details - are sure to fight this international cabal which will include hitherto loyal allies Japan and the Gulf Arabs. Against the background to these currency meetings, Sun Bigan, China's former special envoy to the Middle East, has warned there is a risk of deepening divisions between China and the US over influence and oil in the Middle East. "Bilateral quarrels and clashes are unavoidable," he told the Asia and Africa Review. "We cannot lower vigilance against hostility in the Middle East over energy interests and security."

    This sounds like a dangerous prediction of a future economic war between the US and China over Middle East oil - yet again turning the region's conflicts into a battle for great power supremacy. China uses more oil incrementally than the US because its growth is less energy efficient. The transitional currency in the move away from dollars, according to Chinese banking sources, may well be gold. An indication of the huge amounts involved can be gained from the wealth of Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar who together hold an estimated $2.1 trillion in dollar reserves.

    The decline of American economic power linked to the current global recession was implicitly acknowledged by the World Bank president Robert Zoellick. "One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations," he said in Istanbul ahead of meetings this week of the IMF and World Bank. But it is China's extraordinary new financial power - along with past anger among oil-producing and oil-consuming nations at America's power to interfere in the international financial system - which has prompted the latest discussions involving the Gulf states.

    Brazil has shown interest in collaborating in non-dollar oil payments, along with India. Indeed, China appears to be the most enthusiastic of all the financial powers involved, not least because of its enormous trade with the Middle East.
    China imports 60 per cent of its oil, much of it from the Middle East and Russia. The Chinese have oil production concessions in Iraq - blocked by the US until this year - and since 2008 have held an $8bn agreement with Iran to develop refining capacity and gas resources. China has oil deals in Sudan (where it has substituted for US interests) and has been negotiating for oil concessions with Libya, where all such contracts are joint ventures.

    Furthermore, Chinese exports to the region now account for no fewer than 10 per cent of the imports of every country in the Middle East, including a huge range of products from cars to weapon systems, food, clothes, even dolls. In a clear sign of China's growing financial muscle, the president of the European Central Bank, Jean-Claude Trichet, yesterday pleaded with Beijing to let the yuan appreciate against a sliding dollar and, by extension, loosen China's reliance on US monetary policy, to help rebalance the world economy and ease upward pressure on the euro.

    Ever since the Bretton Woods agreements - the accords after the Second World War which bequeathed the architecture for the modern international financial system - America's trading partners have been left to cope with the impact of Washington's control and, in more recent years, the hegemony of the dollar as the dominant global reserve currency.
    The Chinese believe, for example, that the Americans persuaded Britain to stay out of the euro in order to prevent an earlier move away from the dollar. But Chinese banking sources say their discussions have gone too far to be blocked now. "The Russians will eventually bring in the rouble to the basket of currencies," a prominent Hong Kong broker told The Independent. "The Brits are stuck in the middle and will come into the euro. They have no choice because they won't be able to use the US dollar."

    Chinese financial sources believe President Barack Obama is too busy fixing the US economy to concentrate on the extraordinary implications of the transition from the dollar in nine years' time. The current deadline for the currency transition is 2018.

    The US discussed the trend briefly at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh; the Chinese Central Bank governor and other officials have been worrying aloud about the dollar for years. Their problem is that much of their national wealth is tied up in dollar assets.

    "These plans will change the face of international financial transactions," one Chinese banker said. "America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."

    Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.

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    Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/10/china-may-lead-coalition-of-nations-to.html


    It does make sense that this would happen, and many including ourselves have been predicting this for some time.

    The US has violated the premise under which the Dollar served as the world's reserve currency. As Alan Greenspan himself said, the US Dollar regmine worked because it was managed as though it was still under an external monetary standard, mimicking the rigor of a hard currency while maintaining a flexibility for monetary policy adjustement. We questioned the veracity of that claim when he made it, but it was the appearance, if not the reality, of responsibility and discipline that made things work for the monetary wizards.

    Ironically enough, Mr. Greenspan shattered that discipline with a gearing up of financial engineering in response to economic and trading crises starting with 1987 and reaching higher notes with LTCM and the Asian currency crisis.

    The dogs of war were loosed by the Fed in 2002 with a remarkably reckless expansion of debt expansion through over easy rates, with an explosion of fraudently rated US dollar financial assets from an Anglo-American banking system grown corrupt. Bernanke has taken the dollar into its endgame, while insiders grab fistfuls of dollars and quietly sell their financial assets behind the scenes during this recent market rally.

    However this plays out over the next nine years, it will be history in the making, and nteresting to say the least. But it seems rather obvious to us that the days of the King Dollar experiment backed by oil and military reach are over and gone forever.

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      Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

      wewt......
      Every interest bearing loan is mathematically impossible to pay back.

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        21214

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPYLJoq_40Y

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          Originally posted by pwcmba View Post

          Excellent video. Thanks for posting.

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            Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

            Originally posted by Camtender View Post

            Chinese financial sources believe President Barack Obama is too busy fixing the US economy to concentrate on the extraordinary implications of the transition from the dollar in nine years' time. The current deadline for the currency transition is 2018.

            "These plans will change the face of international financial transactions," one Chinese banker said. "America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."

            Do these quotes not seem like threats to anyone else? Granted they are not with name and evidence, they are certainly front and center stage, considering this article made it to Drudge.

            Who in China is making these statements?

            Are these statements real or made up?

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              Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

              Originally posted by pangea View Post
              Do these quotes not seem like threats to anyone else?

              Who in China is making these statements?

              Are these statements real or made up?
              China is a country holding shitloads of our debt that will become worthless if we continue down the current path our gov. has taken.

              Its perfectly fair for them to say such things, they have the welfare of their own people to think about, our gov. has done the exact same thing to others time and again in the past for its own interests.

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                Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

                Originally posted by mesyn191 View Post
                China is a country holding shitloads of our debt that will become worthless if we continue down the current path our gov. has taken.

                Its perfectly fair for them to say such things, they have the welfare of their own people to think about, our gov. has done the exact same thing to others time and again in the past for its own interests.
                I do not and I don't think most of the readers here will disagree with that assertion that China could, can and is making these statements based on the current US printing operations.

                It's all about *who* is making these statements that I'm pondering.

                If they are coming from Chinese officials, then I would expect that the American officials would respond, as they are clearly offensive in nature and intend to get a rise out of the Administration, State Department and/or Treasury.

                Not that anyone seems to be taking these seriously, futures are up all across the board.
                Last edited by pangea; October 05, 2009, 10:09 PM. Reason: added officials

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                  Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

                  Great Video!

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                    Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

                    Robert Fisk is known USA hater, lefty as far you can see...

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                      Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

                      Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                      Robert Fisk is known USA hater, lefty as far you can see...
                      Anybody following Arab Gulf politics would immediately be suspicious of the article. Here's just one obvious tip off:
                      "...In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning - along with China, Russia, Japan and France - to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar..."

                      Anyone familiar with the Middle East will understand how difficult it is for the Arabs to agree on anything. A single GCC currency, without the participation of the region's second largest economic player, is unlikely any time soon...;)
                      Middle East

                      Gulf Unity In Tatters

                      05.20.09, 08:10 AM EDT
                      The United Arab Emirates reportedly pulls out of plans for a single currency.

                      It was set to be the Middle East's version of the euro, but the Gulf Co-operation Council's plans for a currency union looked doomed on Wednesday after the United Arab Emirates reportedly announced it would not take part.

                      The move was reported by state-run news agency WAM, citing a senior official from the U.A.E. foreign ministry, without offering any reasons for the pull-out. It is the second economy out of the six Gulf Co-operation Council countries to give up on the admittedly ambitious target date of 2010 for monetary union, after Oman said in 2007 that it would not be ready in time.

                      "The withdrawal of the U.A.E. is a serious setback," said Philippe Dauba-Pantanacce, an economist with Standard Chartered. "It remains questionable as to whether or not this will proceed."...

                      ...The decision comes two weeks after the six-nation Gulf Co-operation Council--made up of Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar--announced that the planned monetary council and central bank for the group would be located in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. The U.A.E. had wanted its own capital, Abu Dhabi, to house the bank, and analysts at the time worried that this snub could lead to divisions...

                      ...Investors were already skeptical, and the six-member organization said in April that it could not even come up with a new timeline until the creation of a monetary council.

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                        If these folks ever did get together and dump the dollar, it would be the biggest favor to the American people they could ever make outside of outright forgiveness of the national debt. By keeping the Gulf countries under the protection of American military might, the Arabs have agreed to recycle their oil earnings into U.S. debt and other U.S. investments. In exchange for this protection, we make sure that oil is bought and sold only in dollars. This the game that has been played for decades and is the primary reason for the strength of the dollar. If the dollar were to lose it's status as the currency oil is traded in, the dollar would likely take about an 80% haircut in value (I remember this being quoted in something I read a while back). Of course, this would immediately require that the U.S. government get it's fiscal house in order and would likely break the back of the FIRE Oligarchy in the process. Foreigners would not really need to hold dollars anymore, and they certainly would not have an appetite for Treasuries or toxic agency debt. While it would be a bit like downshifting without a clutch, it would do more to end global trade imbalances than anything else.:rolleyes:

                        This is why Cheney quipped that "deficits don't matter."

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                          Re: Arab states have launched secret moves to stop using US $$ for oil trade

                          Originally posted by bcassill View Post
                          If these folks ever did get together and dump the dollar, it would be the biggest favor to the American people they could ever make outside of outright forgiveness of the national debt. By keeping the Gulf countries under the protection of American military might, the Arabs have agreed to recycle their oil earnings into U.S. debt and other U.S. investments. In exchange for this protection, we make sure that oil is bought and sold only in dollars. This the game that has been played for decades and is the primary reason for the strength of the dollar. If the dollar were to lose it's status as the currency oil is traded in, the dollar would likely take about an 80% haircut in value (I remember this being quoted in something I read a while back). Of course, this would immediately require that the U.S. government get it's fiscal house in order and would likely break the back of the FIRE Oligarchy in the process. Foreigners would not really need to hold dollars anymore, and they certainly would not have an appetite for Treasuries or toxic agency debt. While it would be a bit like downshifting without a clutch, it would do more to end global trade imbalances than anything else.:rolleyes:

                          This is why Cheney quipped that "deficits don't matter."
                          I think Cheney and the Bush Administration really believed that Iraq would be brought into the fold, the oil would flow, they would "shock and awe" the rest of the region into the realization that their interests were best served by remaining allied to the world's sole superpower, and therefore deficits really wouldn't matter.

                          I just don't think any of them expected to be peppered in the chest by bird shot coming from Wall Street...
                          Last edited by GRG55; October 05, 2009, 11:39 PM.

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                            Marketwatch just repeated the story, emphasizing the gold-bullish angle.

                            http://www.marketwatch.com/story/pot...old-2009-10-06

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                              It made #1 on "Most popular" on Reuters (rehashed story) - see the right hand column with a red ring around it.
                              Last edited by krakknisse; October 06, 2009, 01:36 AM.

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