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    I'm disappointed. The idea that so many believed in change. I don't know if I was fooled. I just thought it would be a little more discreet.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/op...ml?ref=opinion


    One of the articles focused on Heather Podesta — “The It Girl of a New Generation of Lobbyists” — who lobbies for health care players like Eli Lilly, HealthSouth and Cigna. Podesta is half of what The Post has called a “mega-lobbying” couple. Her husband, with his own separate (and larger) lobbying shop, is Tony Podesta, the brother of John Podesta, the Clinton White House chief of staff who ran the Obama transition. Back in November, Tony Podesta told The Times that only “very unsophisticated” clients would hire his firm because of his brother’s role in assembling the new administration. That encyclopedic and ever-expanding list of “unsophisticated” clients includes Amgen and the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity — and that’s just among the A’s. His business was up 57 percent from last year in the first six months of 2009. Heather Podesta’s was up 65 percent.








    Barack Obama promised a change from this revolving-door, behind-closed-doors collaboration between special interests and government. He vowed to “do our business in the light of day” — with health care negotiations broadcast on C-Span — and to “restore the vital trust between people and their government.” He said, “I intend to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over.” That those lobbyists would so extravagantly flaunt their undiminished role shows just how little they believe that a new sheriff has arrived in Dodge.
    In his scathing Wall Street Journal column on The Post articles last week, Thomas Frank crystallized the gap between Obama’s pledge and this reality. “There is something uniquely depressing about the fact that the National Portrait Gallery’s version of the Barack Obama ‘Hope’ poster previously belonged to a pair of lobbyists.” That’s no joke: It was donated by Tony and Heather Podesta.
    Obama’s promise to make Americans trust the government again was not just another campaign bullet point; it’s the foundation of his brand of governance and essential to his success in office. At the first anniversary of the TARP bailout of the banks, we can see how far he has to go. Americans’ continued suspicion that Washington is in cahoots with powerful interests in joints like Tosca is contributing to their confusion and skepticism about what’s happening out of view in the battle over health care reform.

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    Re: Do things really change?

    'The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made'. -Groucho Marx

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      Re: Do things really change?

      Originally posted by metalman View Post
      'The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made'. -Groucho Marx

      Is the root of honest, honor?

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        Re: Do things really change?

        Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
        I'm disappointed. The idea that so many believed in change. I don't know if I was fooled. I just thought it would be a little more discreet.
        i share your disappointment. summers and geithner were the tip-off for economic policy. because he's such a good writer and observer, it's been interesting watching frank rich being drained of hope over the last few months, and it's been telling. it's telling, somewhat similar to when lbj saw the vietnam war had lost the support of walter cronkite.

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          Re: Do things really change?

          Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
          I'm disappointed. The idea that so many believed in change. I don't know if I was fooled. I just thought it would be a little more discreet.


          http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/op...ml?ref=opinion


          One of the articles focused on Heather Podesta — “The It Girl of a New Generation of Lobbyists” — who lobbies for health care players like Eli Lilly, HealthSouth and Cigna. Podesta is half of what The Post has called a “mega-lobbying” couple. Her husband, with his own separate (and larger) lobbying shop, is Tony Podesta, the brother of John Podesta, the Clinton White House chief of staff who ran the Obama transition. Back in November, Tony Podesta told The Times that only “very unsophisticated” clients would hire his firm because of his brother’s role in assembling the new administration. That encyclopedic and ever-expanding list of “unsophisticated” clients includes Amgen and the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity — and that’s just among the A’s. His business was up 57 percent from last year in the first six months of 2009. Heather Podesta’s was up 65 percent.








          Barack Obama promised a change from this revolving-door, behind-closed-doors collaboration between special interests and government. He vowed to “do our business in the light of day” — with health care negotiations broadcast on C-Span — and to “restore the vital trust between people and their government.” He said, “I intend to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over.” That those lobbyists would so extravagantly flaunt their undiminished role shows just how little they believe that a new sheriff has arrived in Dodge.
          In his scathing Wall Street Journal column on The Post articles last week, Thomas Frank crystallized the gap between Obama’s pledge and this reality. “There is something uniquely depressing about the fact that the National Portrait Gallery’s version of the Barack Obama ‘Hope’ poster previously belonged to a pair of lobbyists.” That’s no joke: It was donated by Tony and Heather Podesta.
          Obama’s promise to make Americans trust the government again was not just another campaign bullet point; it’s the foundation of his brand of governance and essential to his success in office. At the first anniversary of the TARP bailout of the banks, we can see how far he has to go. Americans’ continued suspicion that Washington is in cahoots with powerful interests in joints like Tosca is contributing to their confusion and skepticism about what’s happening out of view in the battle over health care reform.
          Face it, you well fooled.
          Jim 69 y/o

          "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

          Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

          Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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            Re: Do things really change?

            Originally posted by metalman View Post
            'The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made'. -Groucho Marx
            The secret of life is being fuckin' lucky.
            Jim 69 y/o

            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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              Re: Do things really change?

              Originally posted by jk View Post
              i share your disappointment. summers and geithner were the tip-off for economic policy. because he's such a good writer and observer, it's been interesting watching frank rich being drained of hope over the last few months, and it's been telling. it's telling, somewhat similar to when lbj saw the vietnam war had lost the support of walter cronkite.

              Yes you can feel the disallusion in this piece. I thought Rich had taken a bit of a hit on here recently. I think he is a good writer, maybe his politics aren't everyones cup of tea. But he is calling it the way he sees it now. I feel Obama really never intended to do anything he said. That is maybe what Rich is saying.


              For he is understood to be solitary who is helpless, and exposed to such as would injure him. Hence, in a journey especially, we call ourselves solitary when we fall among thieves; for it is not the sight of a man that removes our solitude, but of an honest man, a man of honor, and a helpful companion.

              Epictetus

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                Re: Do things really change?

                Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                Face it, you well fooled.

                Thanks.

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                • #9
                  Re: Do things really change?

                  Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                  Thanks.
                  The article by Rich is really a good summary of just how fuck-d up things are.

                  I was valeting cars today over in Dallas at John Mauldin's 60th birthday bash, and there were a lot of pretty big-dog politicians there, though not Bush or Delay. I overheard a couple of these guys discussing that Bush and Cheney were in seclusion at Bush's Crawford ranch praying with Billy Graham about how they had failed to deliver to the "incredibly ignorant" religious right voters over the eight years B & C or C & B ran the country into deep shit.

                  It seems that Bush, Cheney, and Graham are going to call for the dissolution of the Republican Party and B & C plan on returning all they made from political kickbacks or have obligations to be paid in coming years for political services rendered over to African charities where for so long the Republicans have sent piddling foreign aid with prohibitions against family planning. They've come to realize how utterly ridiculous were the claims of the Republicans with the Compassionate Conservative bullshit. B&C are also asking that all Republican's in office resign and turn over all ill-gotten gains to the African charities. "Warning signs indicate that the lives and livelihoods of 23 million people are threatened - twice as many as the last serious crisis in 2006" in Ethiopia and other East African countries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8279796.stm

                  Apparently, perhaps it was Alan Grayson, someone has rung the Republicans' bell with regard to the hypocrisy of doing everything to insure that babies keep being born and the apparent we-don't-give-a-shit-what-happens-after-the-buggers-leave-the-womb multi-decade mode of action. It seems this story also influenced B & C to call for the end of Republicans. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8289950.stm
                  "Launching its biggest-ever campaign, Save the Children said $40bn (£25bn) would radically lower the number of children who die of treatable diseases.
                  "The agency said there was insufficient pressure on governments to act, because people thought it would cost much more.
                  "It said about nine million children aged under five died each year.

                  Meanwhile the Pope is doing his part with a Synod of African Bishops telling them that Africa was "afflicted by an export of the "so-called 'first world'... [the] toxic spiritual rubbish" of materialism." But otherwise the Pope is ecstatic that Africa has grown its Catholic population from 50 to 150M over the past 30 years. With continued progress on that front and the charitable capitulation of the reprehensible, hypocritical American Republican party, then it almost guarantees that over the coming two to three decades Africa shall continue to be able to produce enough new babies in the face of not nearly enough resources to thus insure its continuing abilitiy to mount world wide appeals for food to maintain its starving populations. In keeping with the patriarchal dominance of Catholicism, the African Synod includes "A small number of women religious.." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8289188.stm

                  Further at Mauldin's party, I got the scoop that Bush, Cheney, and Graham are going to fly to Uruguay or Paraguay where Bush is rumored to have a ranch and meet with the Pope and a couple of hundred of his banned pedophilic/gay priests to celebrate in male-only revelry along with the invited Republican Representatives and Senators (male only of course since the Pope is promoting it); this of course being the Pope's most hedonistic means of thanking these noble Americans.
                  Jim 69 y/o

                  "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                  Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                  Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                    GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS – Can we afford the future?What are the prospects for a durable recovery from the crisis?
                    How can we best design exit strategies to prevent a further phase of the crisis?
                    How should governments deal with huge deficits and rising levels of unemployment?
                    How are businesses likely to contribute toward sustaining a recovery?
                    What structural changes are needed in the global financial system and institutions to protect us against future crises?
                    What will be the long term costs to us all?
                    PANEL

                    Niall Ferguson: Financial and Economic Historian

                    Christine Lagarde: French Finance Minister

                    Jim O’Neill: Head of Global Economic Research at Goldman Sachs

                    Güler Sabanci: Chairwoman of Sabanci Holding

                    Dominique Strauss Kahn: The IMF’s Managing Director



                    This was the line up on the BBC World Debate. I listened to it for 2 minutes and changed channels when Khan started his vision of "fixing" the global financial system. Watching Mrs. Lagarde nodding constantly as he talked did not help.

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                      Re: Do things really change?

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      i share your disappointment. summers and geithner were the tip-off for economic policy. because he's such a good writer and observer, it's been interesting watching frank rich being drained of hope over the last few months, and it's been telling. it's telling, somewhat similar to when lbj saw the vietnam war had lost the support of walter cronkite.
                      Let me try to inject a ray of sunshine through the cumulus nimbus build up of cynicism here. I still think the President simply doesn't get it. Look at his background. A professor of constitutional law and an organizer in poor communities. There are many, many economists out there who don't get it, and the President isn't an economist. He didn't run for president to rebuild the worlds economic system to be more equitable and sustainable.

                      He has started the way almost all presidents start. You get advice from previous presidents and politicians in your party and you make your appointments from previous administrations and take the recommendations of other politicians in your party. Clinton I believe really was a protector of the FIRE economy, and unfortunately the President took his advice.

                      My hope is that Rich/Krugman/Reich/... are all stepping up their criticisms and we are truly approaching a Walter Cronkite moment. LBJ couldn't do much about the mess he was in, but this president can. Those unemployment numbers had to have sent seismic waves through the white house.

                      This President is a student of history, and is well aware of the bad advice that many previous presidents were given. He now must be realizing that the advice he was given is certainly not leading to recovery, and may not even lead to stabilization. My grasping at straws hope is that after about a year with the economy not improving and elections on the horizon, we may see a major shakeup in his economic advisers. The bad news is, the replacements will not support the FIRE interests, but they may also not lead us in the direction we need to go.

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                        Re: Do things really change?

                        Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                        Let me try to inject a ray of sunshine through the cumulus nimbus build up of cynicism here. I still think the President simply doesn't get it. Look at his background. A professor of constitutional law and an organizer in poor communities. There are many, many economists out there who don't get it, and the President isn't an economist. He didn't run for president to rebuild the worlds economic system to be more equitable and sustainable.

                        He has started the way almost all presidents start. You get advice from previous presidents and politicians in your party and you make your appointments from previous administrations and take the recommendations of other politicians in your party. Clinton I believe really was a protector of the FIRE economy, and unfortunately the President took his advice.

                        My hope is that Rich/Krugman/Reich/... are all stepping up their criticisms and we are truly approaching a Walter Cronkite moment. LBJ couldn't do much about the mess he was in, but this president can. Those unemployment numbers had to have sent seismic waves through the white house.

                        This President is a student of history, and is well aware of the bad advice that many previous presidents were given. He now must be realizing that the advice he was given is certainly not leading to recovery, and may not even lead to stabilization. My grasping at straws hope is that after about a year with the economy not improving and elections on the horizon, we may see a major shakeup in his economic advisers. The bad news is, the replacements will not support the FIRE interests, but they may also not lead us in the direction we need to go.
                        i've seen a few presidential reboots over the years, change a few cabinet secretaries and announce a new start. i haven't seen one that made much difference. i wish i shared your almost-optimism.

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                          Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                          The article by Rich is really a good summary of just how fuck-d up things are.

                          I was valeting cars today over in Dallas at John Mauldin's 60th birthday bash, and there were a lot of pretty big-dog politicians there, though not Bush or Delay. I overheard a couple of these guys discussing that Bush and Cheney were in seclusion at Bush's Crawford ranch praying with Billy Graham about how they had failed to deliver to the "incredibly ignorant" religious right voters over the eight years B & C or C & B ran the country into deep shit.

                          It seems that Bush, Cheney, and Graham are going to call for the dissolution of the Republican Party and B & C plan on returning all they made from political kickbacks or have obligations to be paid in coming years for political services rendered over to African charities where for so long the Republicans have sent piddling foreign aid with prohibitions against family planning. They've come to realize how utterly ridiculous were the claims of the Republicans with the Compassionate Conservative bullshit. B&C are also asking that all Republican's in office resign and turn over all ill-gotten gains to the African charities. "Warning signs indicate that the lives and livelihoods of 23 million people are threatened - twice as many as the last serious crisis in 2006" in Ethiopia and other East African countries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8279796.stm

                          Apparently, perhaps it was Alan Grayson, someone has rung the Republicans' bell with regard to the hypocrisy of doing everything to insure that babies keep being born and the apparent we-don't-give-a-shit-what-happens-after-the-buggers-leave-the-womb multi-decade mode of action. It seems this story also influenced B & C to call for the end of Republicans. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8289950.stm
                          "Launching its biggest-ever campaign, Save the Children said $40bn (£25bn) would radically lower the number of children who die of treatable diseases.
                          "The agency said there was insufficient pressure on governments to act, because people thought it would cost much more.
                          "It said about nine million children aged under five died each year.

                          Meanwhile the Pope is doing his part with a Synod of African Bishops telling them that Africa was "afflicted by an export of the "so-called 'first world'... [the] toxic spiritual rubbish" of materialism." But otherwise the Pope is ecstatic that Africa has grown its Catholic population from 50 to 150M over the past 30 years. With continued progress on that front and the charitable capitulation of the reprehensible, hypocritical American Republican party, then it almost guarantees that over the coming two to three decades Africa shall continue to be able to produce enough new babies in the face of not nearly enough resources to thus insure its continuing abilitiy to mount world wide appeals for food to maintain its starving populations. In keeping with the patriarchal dominance of Catholicism, the African Synod includes "A small number of women religious.." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8289188.stm

                          Further at Mauldin's party, I got the scoop that Bush, Cheney, and Graham are going to fly to Uruguay or Paraguay where Bush is rumored to have a ranch and meet with the Pope and a couple of hundred of his banned pedophilic/gay priests to celebrate in male-only revelry along with the invited Republican Representatives and Senators (male only of course since the Pope is promoting it); this of course being the Pope's most hedonistic means of thanking these noble Americans.

                          Wow Jim, who knew you did good satire?

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                            Re: Do things really change?

                            Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                            The secret of life is being fuckin' lucky.

                            Next secret of life is that hard work brings opportunity which opens the door for luck. You cannot have luck without hard work.

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                              Re: Do things really change?

                              Things are really changing in that they are getting worse.

                              http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/op...gman.html?_r=1

                              Paul Krugman:
                              “Cheers erupted” at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine’s staff, with the headline “Obama loses! Obama loses!” Rush Limbaugh declared himself “gleeful.” “World Rejects Obama,” gloated the Drudge Report. And so on.
                              "So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement ... has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old.
                              "But more important, the episode illustrated an essential truth...: the guiding principle of one of our nation’s two great political parties is spite pure and simple. If Republicans think something might be good for the president, they’re against it — whether or not it’s good for America.




                              It is a major problem that the order of priorities in both parties is "political self," party, the constituency/country.



                              Jim 69 y/o

                              "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                              Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                              Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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