Earth's glaciers melting at an accelerated rate

[metalman]

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Dang. Our efforts to get humans to blame themselves are failing.

invested $1million in the company that makes these. am i stupid?


cow fart collector

[MulaMan]

Re: Earth's glaciers melting at an accelerated rate

Did humans cause this warming?

Yes, unless you have a brain and understand that humans are part of nature so that nature created humans which in turn caused this warming.

Now if you are a religious retard, then God created Humans and humans are seperate from the natural world and part of some fairy tale world so we do not create anything bad, unless of course we do not give at Church and Satan infiltrates us in which cause everything is our fault, ...

[ThePythonicCow]

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Yes, unless you have a brain and understand that humans are part of nature so that nature created humans which in turn caused this warming.

Now if you are a religious retard, then God created Humans and humans are seperate from the natural world and part of some fairy tale world so we do not create anything bad, unless of course we do not give at Church and Satan infiltrates us in which cause everything is our fault, ...

I would suggest that cycles in the sun's solar energy output is the dominant cause of these and other global temperature variations. That seems to be the biggest source of heat I see laying about.

However I'd guess, given the attitude of your response, my suggestion will not lead to a very useful discussion. Oh well.

Those who are still have open minds might find the following interesting. Hat tip to http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/.

• From the Fort Worth Examiner, 2009: Coldest U.S. summer in recent history; 300 low-temp records set.
  - The average temperature of 71.7 F was 0.4 F degrees below the 20th century average. Also, last summer’s average temperature was 72.7 F.
  
  - States such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota notched some of their coolest summers ever.
  
  - Precipitation remained low in the desert southwest—averaging 0.85 inches, which is well over an inch below normal. Arizona had its fourth driest August; New Mexico had its fifth; and Colorado, Texas, and Utah all posted their eighth driest August on record.
  
  - More than 300 low-temperature records (including highs and lows) were set across Midwest states in the last two days of August.
  
• From Reuters U.N. climate meeting was propaganda: Czech president
  - Czech President Vaclav Klaus sharply criticized a U.N. meeting on climate change on Tuesday F.
  
  - Klaus said there were increasing doubts in the scientific community about whether humans are causing changes in the climate or whether the changes are simply naturally occurring phenomena.
  

[Chris Coles]

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invested $1million in the company that makes these. am i stupid?


cow fart collector

I cannot resist this, you have placed yourself into the classic dead end by not completely understanding the mechanism. You see, the cow regurgitates the grass from one stomach to another and the majority of the Methane comes, not from farts, but from burps. So your investment is worthless.

[stanley2008]

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Dang. Our efforts to get humans to blame themselves are failing.

The carbon emissions from cows are "carbon neutral". The carbon comes from the grass they eat. The carbon in grass was removed from the atmosphere while the grass was growing. This is in contrast to emissions from fossil fuels which release carbon from long ago.

[vanvaley1]

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Since global warming is here and glacier run-off is occurring is there any economical way to capture that runoff water, transfer it to where it is needed, and mitigate any impact of turning off the ocean's Atlantic Converor? Mega plumbing system, huge water tankers, giant floating condoms, etc., etc. etc.

[Starving Steve]

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Sorry about this Steve, but may I suggest you watch Billy Connelly, Journey to the End of the World. http://www.itv.com/Lifestyle/BillyConnolly/default.html

If you click on the map you can watch all the various videos at each place he visits as he ships as a passenger through the North West Passage. Now, do not take anything I say, use your own eyes. He is where, a Century ago, we Brits lost many explorers and their ships that could not take this journey because of being held firmly in ice for more than a year at a time.... But take a careful look and tell me where you see ANY ice?

When I watched this, I expected to see fringes of ice all around, but he can only show us the odd tiny iceberg. No ice at all on shore.. Oh! - and yes, the sea is dark black. You can call me all the names under the sun, but you cannot call reality anything other than what it is. The North West Passage is free of ice three months every year now.

There were years in the late 19th and early 20th C. when one could kayak to within a few hundred miles of the North Pole. These were the warm years. And then, just as now, there were years when the entire Arctic Ocean would be frozen-over, even in the midst of high summer. No-one could kayak anywhere.

The Earth is 1 degree F warmer than in the 19th C. Compared to the warming Earth experienced 10,000 years ago, this is nothing at all. The current climate is steady, in fact, unusually steady or stable.

Sea-level doesn't lie, and sea-level is barely changed on Earth, up by half-a-foot or so in one-hundred years. (Life is good on this planet.)

[we_are_toast]

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I would suggest that cycles in the sun's solar energy output is the dominant cause of these and other global temperature variations. That seems to be the biggest source of heat I see laying about.

However I'd guess, given the attitude of your response, my suggestion will not lead to a very useful discussion. Oh well.

Those who are still have open minds might find the following interesting. Hat tip to http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/.

• From the Fort Worth Examiner, 2009: Coldest U.S. summer in recent history; 300 low-temp records set.
  - The average temperature of 71.7 F was 0.4 F degrees below the 20th century average. Also, last summer’s average temperature was 72.7 F.
  
  - States such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota notched some of their coolest summers ever.
  
  - Precipitation remained low in the desert southwest—averaging 0.85 inches, which is well over an inch below normal. Arizona had its fourth driest August; New Mexico had its fifth; and Colorado, Texas, and Utah all posted their eighth driest August on record.
  
  - More than 300 low-temperature records (including highs and lows) were set across Midwest states in the last two days of August.
  
• From Reuters U.N. climate meeting was propaganda: Czech president
  - Czech President Vaclav Klaus sharply criticized a U.N. meeting on climate change on Tuesday F.
  
  - Klaus said there were increasing doubts in the scientific community about whether humans are causing changes in the climate or whether the changes are simply naturally occurring phenomena.
  

The Reporter from the Fort worth examiner quotes a NOAA report as evidence of net global cooling. Here is what the report says;

...They then calculated the cooling effect of the aerosols as the only missing term in the budget, arriving at an estimate of 1.1 watts per square meter. A watt is a unit of power.

The results support the 2007 assessment by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that estimated aerosol cooling at 1.2 watts per square meter. But the new study places that estimate on more solid ground and rules out the larger cooling effects that were previously thought to be possible.

“The agreement boosts our confidence in both the models and the new approach,” said Murphy. “Plus, we’ve been able to pin down the amount of cooling by aerosols better than ever.”...

So the reporter turns what is support for the IPCC's evidence of Global warming, into net global cooling!:p

Now what was that you were saying about having a "useful discussion"?:rolleyes:

stanley2008:
The carbon emissions from cows are "carbon neutral". The carbon comes from the grass they eat. The carbon in grass was removed from the atmosphere while the grass was growing. This is in contrast to emissions from fossil fuels which release carbon from long ago.

Unfortunately the cow farts aren't neutral. The concern is that the cow produces considerably more methane than what would occur through a bacteriological decomposition of the biomass. Methane is estimated to be 20 times more effective at trapping IR than CO2.

[aaron]

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I don't even concede that the glaciers have melted. I don't even concede that there is any global warming above the long-known rate of observed warming of 0.5 or 1.0F per 100 years, due apparently to the Ice Age ending 10,000 years ago.

And if the so-called glaciers have melted into the sea due to global warming, why are the atolls in the oceans doing just fine and remaining above sea-level? My favourite atoll, French Frigate Shoals, is still above sea-level. So is Midway Island. So is Johnston Atoll. So is Sand Island at Midway.

How come downtown San Francisco is still dry? No sea water is flooding into SF, anywhere; why is that?

Florida and the Bahama Island Republic are still dry; why is that? The Florida Keys are all above water. Even Dry Tortuga Shoals at the far end of the Florida Keys is high and dry.

Yes, sea level is rising at 6 or 7 inches per century. Hardly the end of the world, and hardly any reason for the Chairman Moon, the head of the United Nations, to go visit Spitzburgen, Norway last week to observe glaciers and global warming.

Sea level has risen 300 feet on Earth since the Ice Age ended, so our latest reading on sea-level rising of 6 or 7 inches over the 20th Century is downright encouraging..... Civilization is doing just fine, thank you.

Apparently, most all of the rise in the sea-level from the end of the Ice Age must have taken-place thousands of years ago, perhaps 10,000 years ago when the Ice Age ended in earnest. Very little is known about that period of time.

The world would do better right now worrying about raising the standard- of-living of humanity and providing affordable energy for the future, rather than wasting time with suspect hypotheses about man-made global warming and carbon in the atmosphere.

Thank you, Steve. This is an excellent post!

[Diarmuid]

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Unfortunately the cow farts aren't neutral. The concern is that the cow produces considerably more methane than what would occur through a bacteriological decomposition of the biomass. Methane is estimated to be 20 times more effective at trapping IR than CO2.

Dr. Roy Spenser on positive feedback loops, climate sensitivity, climate models for an alternative view on the whys of Gloabl warming.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Dr. Roy Spenser on positive feedback loops, climate sensitivity, climate models for an alternative view on the whys of Gloabl warming.

Awesome. Thank-you. That's the most reasonable sounding "global warming" talk I've seen in a while.

[GRG55]

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That last 100 feet or so, at Whiffen Spit at the end of Whiffen Spit Road, (as shown on the map which you posted), the Capitol Regional District of Victoria and the Province of BC refused to build a bridge. One hundred feet or so, and NO BRIDGE built! So we have to drive 26 miles to get to downtown Sooke, BC to buy groceries. TWENTY-SIX MILES !!!

If anyone doubts the damage that environmentalists do to the economy, just visit British Columbia and see for yourself.

And that 26 mile drive? It is at 50 KPH, or less, with speed traps galore!

Not wishing to rub it in Steve, but apparently the province next door is still building bridges...and probably using your tax dollars to do it

Canada's Economic Action Plan Funds Okotoks Road Work

OKOTOKS, ALBERTA - (Marketwire - Sept. 2, 2009) - Ted Menzies, Member of Parliament for Macleod and Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, and George Groeneveld, Minister of Alberta Agriculture and Rural Development and MLA for Highwood, announced that residents of Okotoks will benefit from up to $22 million in joint federal-provincial investments to upgrade 32nd Street and the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) crossing in Okotoks...

...The project involves the construction of a two-lane roadway, a road bridge and CPR grade-separated crossing on the 32nd Street alignment over the Sheep River. The project will provide a critical second road crossing over the river. Construction is scheduled to begin in October 2009.

The Government of Canada and the Government of Alberta will provide up to $11 million each, and the Town of Okotoks will provide the remaining $11 million for this $33-million project. Federal funding comes from the Infrastructure Stimulus Fund, part of Canada's Economic Action Plan...

Of course Alberta, having shipped all its environmentalists to Vancouver Island, is only moments away from strip mining 25% of its countryside to supply an ungrateful USA and RoC [rest of Canada] with apparently unwanted, and unneeded dirty oil. So what's another bridge, eh...

[Starving Steve]

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The moment you drive out of British Columbia, you feel born-again. FREE as the wind. Liberated.

"IS OUR WORLD GONE? WE SAY, 'FAREWELL.' IS A NEW WORLD COMING? WE WELCOME IT--- AND WE WILL BEND IT TO THE HOPES OF MAN." (President, Lyndon Baines Johnson, on pages 20 and 21 of the U.S. Passport with a scene of cattle, cowboys, the Great Plains, and with mountains in the distance.)

The motto of Alberta: "WE'RE GOING TO BOOM !!!!!"

[Rajiv]

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Steve, I think you are exaggerating a bit. The distance of the bridge required would be about 1500 feet, and not 160 feet. Plus the bridge would have to be high enough to allow for shipping under it. This makes it a major undertaking.

Of course a "Swing Bridge" could be built much less expensively -- but they are "so old fashioned" and no self respecting civil engineer would propose that one of those be built!

[Starving Steve]

Re: Earth's glaciers melting at an accelerated rate

Steve, I think you are exaggerating a bit. The distance of the bridge required would be about 1500 feet, and not 160 feet. Plus the bridge would have to be high enough to allow for shipping under it. This makes it a major undertaking.

Of course a "Swing Bridge" could be built much less expensively -- but they are "so old fashioned" and no self respecting civil engineer would propose that one of those be built!

Thank you for the nice air photo of the Whiffen Spit entrance to the Sooke Basin. Yes, there would have to be considerations for ship traffic in the bridge design, but a bridge project would put people to work and be good for everyone in the community, even the animals.