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    If you were around for Vietnamization you'll feel right at home here....

    US wins minds, Afghan hearts are lost
    By Ann Jones

    The big Afghanistan debate in Washington is not over whether more troops are needed, but just who they should be: Americans or Afghans - "us" or "them". Having just spent time in Afghanistan seeing how things stand, I wouldn't bet on "them".

    Frankly, I wouldn't bet on "us" either. In eight years, American troops have worn out their welcome. Their very presence now incites opposition, but that's another story. It's "them" - the Afghans - I want to talk about.

    Afghans are Afghans. They have their own history, their own culture, their own habitual ways of thinking and behaving, all complicated by a modern experience of decades of war, displacement, abject poverty, and incessant meddling by foreign governments near and far - of which the United States has been the most powerful and persistent. Afghans do not think or act like Americans. Yet Americans in power refuse to grasp that inconvenient point.

    In the heat of the summer I went out to the training fields near Kabul where Afghan army recruits are put through their paces, and it was quickly evident just what's getting lost in translation. Our trainers, soldiers from the Illinois National Guard were masterful. Professional and highly skilled, they were dedicated to carrying out their mission - and doing the job well. They were also big, strong, camouflaged, combat-booted, supersized American men, their bodies swollen by flack jackets and lashed with knives, handguns, and god only knows what else. Any American could be proud of their commitment to tough duty.

    The Afghans were puny by comparison: hundreds of little Davids to the overstuffed American Goliaths training them. Keep in mind: Afghan recruits come from a world of desperate poverty. They are almost uniformly malnourished and underweight. Many are no bigger than I am (1.6 meters and thin) - and some probably not much stronger. Like me, many sag under the weight of a standard-issue flack jacket.

    Their American trainers spoke of "upper body strength deficiency" and prescribed pushups because their trainees buckle under the backpacks filled with 50 pounds (110 kilograms) of equipment and ammo they are expected to carry. All this material must seem absurd to men whose fathers and brothers, wearing only the old cotton shirts and baggy pants of everyday life and carrying battered Russian Kalashnikov rifles, defeated the Red Army two decades ago. American trainers marvel that, freed from heavy equipment and uniforms, Afghan soldiers can run through the mountains all day - as the Taliban guerrillas in fact do with great effect - but the US military is determined to train them for another style of war.

    Still, the new recruits turn out for training in the blistering heat in this stony desert landscape wearing, beneath their heavy uniforms, the smart red, green, and black warm-up outfits intended to encourage them to engage in off-duty exercise. American trainers recognize that recruits regularly wear all their gear at once for fear somebody will steal anything left behind in the barracks, but they take this overdressing as a sign ofhow much Afghans love the military.

    My own reading, based on my observations of Afghan life during the years I've spent in that country, is this: It's a sign of how little they trust one another, or the Americans who gave them the snazzy suits. I think it also indicates the obvious: that these impoverished men in a country without work have joined the Afghan National Army for what they can get out of it (and keep or sell) - and that doesn't include democracy or glory.

    In the current policy debate about the Afghan War in Washington, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin wants the Afghans to defend their country. Senator John McCain, the top Republican on the committee, agrees but says they need even more help from even more Americans. The common ground - the sacred territory Obama gropes for - is that, whatever else happens, the US must speed up the training of "the Afghan security forces."

    American military planners and policymakers already proceed as if, with sufficient training, Afghans can be transformed into scale-model, wind-up American Marines. That is not going to happen. Not now. Not ever. No matter how many of our leaders concur that it must happen - and ever faster.

    'Basic warrior training'
    So who are these security forces? They include the Afghan National Army (ANA) and the Afghan National Police (ANP). International forces and private contractors have been training Afghan recruits for both of them since 2001.

    In fact, the determination of Western military planners to create a national army and police force has been so great that some seem to have suppressed for years the reports of Canadian soldiers who witnessed members of the Afghan security forces engaging in a fairly common pastime, sodomizing young boys.

    Current training and mentoring is provided by the US, Great Britain, France, Canada, Romania, Poland, Mongolia, New Zealand and Australia, as well as by the private for-profit contractors MPRI, KBR (formerly a division of Halliburton), Pulau, Paravant, and RONCO.

    Almost eight years and counting since the "mentoring" process began, officers at the Kabul Military Training Center report that the army now numbers between 88,000 and 92,000 soldiers, depending on who you talk to; and the basic training course financed and led by Americans, called "Basic Warrior Training," is turning out 28,800 new soldiers every year, according to a Kabul Military Training Center "fact sheet".

    The current projected "end strength" for the ANA, to be reached in December 2011, is 134,000 men; but Afghan officers told me they're planning for a force of 200,000, while the Western press often cites 240,000 as the final figure.

    The number 400,000 is often mentioned as the supposed end-strength quota for the combined security forces - an army of 240,000 soldiers and a police force with 160,000 men. Yet Afghan National Police officials also speak of a far more inflated figure, 250,000, and they claim that 149,000 men have already been trained. Police training has always proven problematic, however, in part because, from the start, the European allies fundamentally disagreed with the Bush administration about what the role of the Afghan police should be.

    Germany initiated the training of what it saw as an unarmed force that would direct traffic, deter crime, and keep civic order for the benefit of the civilian population. The US took over in 2003, handed the task off to a private for-profit military contractor, DynCorp, and proceeded to produce a heavily armed, undisciplined, and thoroughly venal paramilitary force despised by Kabulis and feared by Afghan civilians in the countryside.

    Contradicting that widespread public view, an Afghan commanding officer of the ANP assured me that today the police are trained as police, not as a paramilitary auxiliary of the ANA. "But policing is different in Afghanistan," he said, because the police operate in active war zones.

    Washington sends mixed messages on this subject. It farms out responsibility for the ANP to a private contractor that hires as mentors retired American law enforcement officers- - a Kentucky state trooper, a Texas county lawman, a North Carolina cop, and so on. Yet Washington policymakers continue to couple the police with the army as "the Afghan security forces" - the most basic police rank is "soldier" - in a merger that must influence what DynCorp puts in its training syllabus.

    At the Afghan National Police training camp outside Kabul, I watched a squad of trainees learn (reluctantly) how to respond to a full-scale ambush. Though they were armed only with red rubber Kalashnikovs, the exercise looked to me much like the military maneuvers I'd witnessed at the army training camp.

    Like army training, police training, too, was accelerated months ago to insure "security" during the run-up to the presidential election. With that goal in mind, DynCorp mentors shrunk the basic police training course from eight weeks to three, after which the police were dispatched to villages all across the country, including areas controlled by the Taliban. After the election, the surviving short-course police "soldiers" were to be brought back to Kabul for the rest of the basic training program. There's no word yet on how many returned.

    You have to wonder about the wisdom of rushing out this half-baked product. How would you feel if the police in your community were turned loose, heavily armed, after three weeks of training? And how would you feel if you were given a three-week training course with a rubber gun and then dispatched, with a real one, to defend your country?

    Training security forces is not cheap. So far, the estimated cost of training and mentoring the police since 2001 is at least $10 billion. Any reliable figure on the cost of training and mentoring the Afghan army since 2001 is as invisible as the army itself. But the US currently spends some $4 billion a month on military operations in Afghanistan.

    The invisible men
    What is there to show for all this remarkably expensive training? Although in Washington they may talk about the 90,000 soldiers in the Afghan National Army, no one has reported actually seeing such an army anywhere in Afghanistan. When 4,000 US Marines were sent into Helmand province in July to take on the Taliban in what is considered one of its strongholds, accompanying them were only about 600 Afghan security forces, some of whom were police.

    Why, you might ask, didn't the ANA, 90,000-strong after eight years of training and mentoring, handle Helmand on its own? No explanation has been offered. American and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) officers often complain that Afghan army units are simply not ready to "operate independently", but no one ever speaks to the simple question: Where are they?

    My educated guess is that such an army simply does not exist. It may well be true that Afghan men have gone through some version of "Basic Warrior Training" 90,000 times or more. When I was teaching in Afghanistan from 2002 to 2006, I knew men who repeatedly went through ANA training to get the promised Kalashnikov and the pay. Then they went home for a while and often returned some weeks later to enlist again under a different name.

    In a country where 40% of men are unemployed, joining the ANA for 10 weeks is the best game in town. It relieves the poverty of many families every time the man of the family goes back to basic training, but it's a needlessly complicated way to unintentionally deliver such minimal humanitarian aid. Some of these circulating soldiers are aging former mujahideen - the Islamist fundamentalists the US once paid to fight the Soviets - and many are undoubtedly Taliban.

    American trainers have taken careful note of the fact that, when ANA soldiers were given leave after basic training to return home with their pay, they generally didn't come back. To foil paycheck scams and decrease soaring rates of desertion, they recently devised a money-transfer system that allows the soldiers to send pay home without ever leaving their base. That sounds like a good idea, but like many expensive American solutions to Afghan problems, it misses the point. It's not just the money the soldier wants to transfer home, it's himself as well.

    Earlier this year, the US training program became slightly more compelling with the introduction of a US-made weapon, the M-16 rifle, which was phased in over four months as a replacement for the venerable Kalashnikov.

    Even US trainers admit that, in Afghanistan, the Kalashnikov is actually the superior weapon. Light and accurate, it requires no cleaning even in the dust of the high desert, and every man and boy already knows it well. The strange and sensitive M-16, on the other hand, may be more accurate at slightly greater distances, but only if a soldier can keep it clean, while managing to adjust and readjust its notoriously sensitive sights.

    The struggling soldiers of the ANA may not ace that test, but now that the US military has generously passed on its old M-16s to Afghans, it can buy new ones at taxpayer expense, a prospect certain to gladden the heart of any arms manufacturer. (Incidentally, thanks must go to the Illinois National Guard for risking their lives to make possible such handsome corporate profits.)

    As for the police, US-funded training offers a similar revolving door. In Afghanistan, however, it is far more dangerous to be a policeman than a soldier. While soldiers on patrol can slip away, policemen stuck at their posts are killed almost every day. Assigned in small numbers to staff small-town police stations or highway checkpoints, they are sitting ducks for Taliban fighters.

    As representatives of the now thoroughly discredited government of President Hamid Karzai, the hapless police make handy symbolic targets. British commanders in Helmand province estimated that 60% of Afghan police are on drugs - and little wonder why.

    In the Pashtun provinces of southern Afghanistan, where the Taliban is strong, recruiting men for the Afghan National Police is a "problem", as an ANP commander told me. Consequently, non-Pashtun police trainees of Hazara, Tajik, Uzbek, or other ethnic backgrounds are dispatched to maintain order in Pashtun territory. They might as well paint targets on their foreheads. The police who accompanied the US Marines into Helmand province reportedly refused to leave their heavily armed mentors to take up suicidal posts in provincial villages. Some police and army soldiers, when asked by reporters, claimed to be "visiting" Helmand province only for "vacation."

    Training day
    In many districts, the police recently supplemented their low pay and demonstrated allegiance to local warlords by stuffing ballot boxes for Karzai in the presidential election. Consider that but one more indication - like the defection of those great Islamist fundamentalist mujahideen allies the US sponsored in the anti-Soviet jihad of the 1980s who are now fighting with the Taliban - that no amount of American training, mentoring, or cash will determine who or what Afghans will fight for, if indeed they fight at all.

    Afghans are world famous fighters, in part because they have a knack for gravitating to the winning side, and they're ready to change sides with alacrity until they get it right. Recognizing that Afghans back a winner, US military strategists are now banking on a counterinsurgency strategy that seeks to "clear, hold, and build" - that is, to stick around long enough to win the Afghans over. But it's way too late for that to work. These days, US troops sticking around look ever more like a foreign occupying army and, to the Taliban, like targets.

    Recently Karen DeYoung noted in the Washington Post that the Taliban now regularly use very sophisticated military techniques - "as if the insurgents had attended something akin to the US Army's Ranger school, which teaches soldiers how to fight in small groups in austere environments". Of course, some of them have attended training sessions which teach them to fight in "austere environments", probably time and time again. If you were a Talib, wouldn't you scout the training being offered to Afghans on the other side? And wouldn't you do it more than once if you could get well paid every time?

    Such training is bound to come in handy - as it may have for the Talib policeman who, just last week, bumped off eight other comrades at his police post in Kunduz province in northern Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban. On the other hand, such training can be deadly to American trainers. Take the case of the American trainer who was shot and wounded that same week by one of his trainees. Reportedly, a dispute arose because the trainer was drinking water "in front of locals", while the trainees were fasting for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

    There is, by the way, plenty of evidence that Taliban fighters get along just fine, fighting fiercely and well without the training lavished on the ANA and the ANP. Why is it that Afghan Taliban fighters seem so bold and effective, while the Afghan National Police are so dismally corrupt and the Afghan National Army a washout?

    When I visited bases and training grounds in July, I heard some American trainers describe their Afghan trainees in the same racist terms once applied to African slaves in the US: lazy, irresponsible, stupid, childish, and so on. That's how Afghan resistance, avoidance, and sabotage look to American eyes. The Taliban fight for something they believe - that their country should be freed from foreign occupation. "Our" Afghans try to get by.

    Yet one amazing thing happens to ANA trainees who stick it out for the whole 10 weeks of basic training. Their slight bodies begin to fill out a little. They gain more energy and better spirits - all because for the first time in their lives they have enough nutritious food to eat.

    Better nutrition notwithstanding - Senator Levin, Senator McCain - "our" Afghans are never going to fight for an American cause, with or without American troops, the way we imagine they should. They're never going to fight with the energy of the Taliban for a national government that we installed against Afghan wishes, then more recently set up to steal another election, and now seem about to ratify in office, despite incontrovertible evidence of flagrant fraud. Why should they? Even if the US could win their minds, their hearts are not in it.

    One small warning: don't take the insecurity of the Afghan security forces as an argument for sending yet more American troops to Afghanistan. Aggressive Americans (now numbering 68,000) are likely to be even less successful than reluctant Afghan forces.

    Afghans want peace, but the kharaji (foreign) troops (100,000, if you include US allies in NATO) bring death and destruction wherever they go. Think instead about what you might have won - and could still win - had you spent all those military billions on food. Or maybe agriculture. Or health care. Or a civilian job corps.

    Is it too late for that now?

    Ann Jones is the author of Kabul in Winter (Metropolitan, 2006) and writes often about Afghanistan

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KI22Df03.html

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    Kolko makes a couple of salient points about India but its the piece above that needs to be read.

    Eight Years Later

    The United States in Afghanistan

    By GABRIEL KOLKO
    The United States scarcely knew what a complex disaster it was confronting when it went to war in Afghanistan on October 7, 2001. It will eventually - perhaps years from now - suffer the same fate as Alexander the Great, the British, and the now-defunct Soviet Union: defeat.

    What is called “Afghanistan” is really a collection of tribes and ethnic groups - Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and more - there are seven major ethnic groups, each with their own language. There are 30 minor languages. Pashtuns are 42 per cent of the population and the Taliban comes from them. Its borders are contested and highly porous, and al-Qaeda is most powerful in the Pashtun regions of northern Pakistan as well as Afghanistan. “The fate of Afghanistan and Pakistan are inextricably tied,” President George Bush declared in December 2007. This fact makes the war far more complicated, not the least because the enormous quantities of military aid sent to Pakistan are mostly wasted.

    Worse yet, Pakistan possesses about 70 to 90 nuclear weapons and the U.S. fears some may fall into the hands of Islamic extremists. At least three-quarters of the supplies essential for America’s and its allies’ war effort flow through Pakistan, and they are often attacked. Moreover, a large and growing majority of the Pakistanis distrusts U.S. motives. The U.S.’s tilt to New Delhi after 2007, which greatly augmented Indian nuclear power, made Pakistan far more reluctant to do Washington’s bidding.

    Afghanistan is a mess, complex beyond description, with mountainous terrain to match. Its principal problems are political, social, and cultural - in large part because Great Britain concocted it arbitrarily. There is no durable military solution to its many problems. As in Vietnam, the U.S. will win battles but it has no strategy for winning this war.

    Above all, the regional geo-political context is decisive, involving, India-Pakistan relations - a factor that will prevail whatever the United States and its allies do. Pakistan’s most vital interest is seeing a friendly government rule Afghanistan - no matter who it is. They will not waver on this principle. The Pakistani military is adamant about making India its key focus, and while it is opposed to al Qaeda and the Arab membership, it maintains good relations with the anti-Karzai Taliban - with whom it worked when it fought the Soviets.

    The power of Afghanistan’s nominal president, Hamid Karzai, barely extends beyond Kabul, and his inefficiency and corruption shock many U.S. leaders – though most of them, as in South Vietnam, are ultimately prepared to tolerate such failings. The Pakistanis regard Karzai as an Indian puppet, and however much many of its leaders dislike Pashtun separatism or the Taliban, they fear India far more. Their military is structured to fight India, not a counterinsurgency against the Taliban and its allies who operate within its borders.

    Karzai, a Pashtun who nonetheless is far closer to Tajiks and Uzbeks, is indeed very cordial to India. Indian foreign aid to his government has amounted to over a billion dollars. His “re-election” earlier this month - at a time when he is increasingly unpopular - has been attacked as based on fraud. Former President Jimmy Carter declared “Hamid Karzai has stolen the election.”

    This is only part of the context in which the U.S. has been mired for eight years, and Obama’s strategy of escalation will confront growing resistance both in Afghanistan and among the U.S. Congress and public. There are now over 100,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan, mainly American, and more will not change the situation. Fifty-eight per cent of the American population was against the Afghan war in September this year, and in some NATO nations - particularly Germany, Great Britain, and Italy - opposition to the war is increasing. These countries will not send significantly more troops to fight there. Influential U.S. senators - who are still a small minority but an indication the war is becoming increasingly unpopular within the U.S. - are questioning Obama’s strategy.

    Obama’s approach to winning the war is far too convoluted to succeed and it is dependent on factors over which he has scant control - not the least being the advice of one of his key advisers, Bruce Riedel, that “the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the central all-consuming issue for al Quaida.“ This issue must finally be settled; the chances of that happening are close to non-existent. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser, has warned Obama on several occasions that ”we are running the risk of replicating … the fate of the Soviets.” As the author of Moscow’s ‘Afghan trap’, he should know.

    Still, Obama is likely to escalate. Apart from the “credibility” of American power being involved, most key American officers think, to quote chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, that “the main effort in our strategic focus from a military perspective must now shift to Afghanistan.” A few officers, mostly lacking influence, believe it will lead to disaster, and the American military commander in Afghanistan has warned that unless there is a rapid escalation of troops within a year the war “will likely result in failure.”

    Meanwhile, Obama thinks he will win the war by escalation - an illusion that also marked the futile war in Vietnam. He also believes he can “Afghanisize” the war - like Nixon thought he could “Vietnamize” that conflict - even though recruits for Karzai’s army have little motivation apart from collecting their salary, and are scarcely a match for the Taliban - a quite divided, complex organization which today dominates much of the country.

    A growing majority of the Afghan population now oppose the U.S. effort because they have led to frightful civilian casualties without attaining decisive military successes. “The mission is on the verge of failing,” a writer in the U.S. Army’s quarterly, Parameters, concluded last spring.

    That, indeed, may be an understatement.


    Gabriel Kolko is the leading historian of modern warfare. He is the author of the classic Century of War: Politics, Conflicts and Society Since 1914, Another Century of War? and The Age of War: the US Confronts the World and After Socialism. He has also written the best history of the Vietnam War, Anatomy of a War: Vietnam, the US and the Modern Historical Experience. His latest book is World in Crisis.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/kolko09232009.html

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    • #3
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      Very good reading, thanks don.

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      • #4
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        Depressing read, some of it seems a little exaggerated, like when he goes on about the M16 sights of all things and says the AK needs no cleaning at all.

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        • #5
          Re: Afghanization

          Originally posted by don View Post
          ...Still, Obama is likely to escalate. Apart from the “credibility” of American power being involved, most key American officers think, to quote chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, that “the main effort in our strategic focus from a military perspective must now shift to Afghanistan.” A few officers, mostly lacking influence, believe it will lead to disaster, and the American military commander in Afghanistan has warned that unless there is a rapid escalation of troops within a year the war “will likely result in failure.”

          Meanwhile, Obama thinks he will win the war by escalation - an illusion that also marked the futile war in Vietnam...
          Maybe not.

          What is escalating is the USA's budget gap, and I see some signs already that Obama's "the Bush era is over" foreign policy also has the intended objective of cutting expenditures by backing the USA out of a lot of expensive foreign adventures, starting with Iraq, and perhaps also Afghanistan once the political path is paved.

          Foreigners don't vote in US elections, so this is an easier fiscal strategy to execute than cutting program expenditures at home. The world criticized the Bush White House for its lack of multilateralism. The world is perhaps about to find out that it should have been more careful what it wished for because Obama seems inclined to demand multilateral engagement from the rest. North Korea, for example, seems to well on its way to becoming someone else's problem.

          Declaring victory and going home is an age old American tactic, and I don't see any reason why it won't be trotted out again given the current situation...

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            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            Maybe not.

            What is escalating is the USA's budget gap, and I see some signs already that Obama's "the Bush era is over" foreign policy also has the intended objective of cutting expenditures by backing the USA out of a lot of expensive foreign adventures, starting with Iraq, and perhaps also Afghanistan once the political path is paved.

            Foreigners don't vote in US elections, so this is an easier fiscal strategy to execute than cutting program expenditures at home. The world criticized the Bush White House for its lack of multilateralism. The world is perhaps about to find out that it should have been more careful what it wished for because Obama seems inclined to demand multilateral engagement from the rest. North Korea, for example, seems to well on its way to becoming someone else's problem.

            Declaring victory and going home is an age old American tactic, and I don't see any reason why it won't be trotted out again given the current situation...

            Well, well...what a surprise...
            Obama’s looming Afghanistan decision

            President is having second thoughts about sending more troops to war

            By James Traub

            updated 6:15 a.m. ET Oct. 4, 2009


            Over the next few weeks, Barack Obama must make the most difficult decision of his presidency to date: whether or not to send up to 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan, as his commanding general there, Stanley McChrystal, has reportedly proposed.

            This summer, Mr. Obama described the effort in Afghanistan as “a war of necessity.” In such a war, you do whatever you need to do to win. But now, as criticism mounts from those who argue that the war in Afghanistan cannot, in fact, be won with more troops and a better strategy, the President is having second thoughts...

            ...The conservative pundit George Will suggested as much in a recent column in which he argued for a reduced, rather than enhanced, American presence in Afghanistan. Mr. Will cited the testimony of George Kennan, the diplomat and scholar, to a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Vietnam in 1966: “Our country should not be asked, and should not ask of itself, to shoulder the main burden of determining the political realities in any other country. This is not only not our business, but I don’t think we can do it successfully.”

            Mr. Kennan’s astringent counsel has become piercingly relevant today, as Americans discover, time and again, their inability to shape the world as they would wish...

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              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              Well, well...what a surprise...
              Obama’s looming Afghanistan decision

              President is having second thoughts about sending more troops to war...


              All the vested interests are lining up taking sides...:p

              This looks like it's going to bump health care off the front page for a few days at least.
              Afghan Forces Must Be Boosted, Jones Says as 8 Soldiers Killed



              Oct. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Afghan security forces must be strengthened to take on the Taliban, White House National Security Adviser Jim Jones said, as eight American soldiers were killed when militants attacked outposts in the country’s east.

              A “robust effort” is needed to help the Afghan army and police “control their own destiny,” Jones said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union” yesterday. Building up the Afghan forces “will be an important part of whatever we decide to do.”...

              ...Some 68,000 American personnel are due to be on the ground in Afghanistan by the end of the year, and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice sought to reassure allies that the U.S. will stick with the fight...

              ...“The president should be presented with options, not just one fait accompli,” Jones said in a separate appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

              Jones said that, in addition to more security, Afghanistan also will need improved governance, the rule of law and economic development.

              The result of Afghan and international reviews of allegations of fraud in the presidential elections will be critical, Jones said. Preliminary results indicate President Hamid Karzai probably will prevail after the recounts.

              “We have a lot more work to do and a Karzai government is going to have to pitch in and do much better than they have,” Jones said. “I think most of us believe that the Karzai government does have a chance of pulling this out.”

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                Originally posted by mesyn191 View Post
                Depressing read, some of it seems a little exaggerated, like when he goes on about the M16 sights of all things and says the AK needs no cleaning at all.
                Yeah, I wasn't aware of "sensitive" sights on the M16. What does that mean?
                Though the AK is a lot lower maintenance. Like almost none.

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                  For troops, Afghanistan 'like Vietnam without napalm'

                  The men of Bravo Company have a bitter description for the irrigated swath of land along the Arghandab River in Afghanistan, where 10 members of their battalion have been killed since the beginning of August: "Like Vietnam without the napalm."


                  JELAWUR, Afghanistan — The men of Bravo Company have a bitter description for the irrigated swath of land along the Arghandab River where 10 members of their battalion have been killed and 30 have been wounded since the beginning of August.


                  "Like Vietnam without the napalm," said Spc. Nicholas Gojekian, 21, of Katy, Texas.

                  A prime agricultural area of vineyards and pomegranate orchards, the 18 miles of valley that the 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment patrols includes Taliban insurgents, booby traps and buried explosives. The troops call the area the "green zone," but unlike Iraq, where it's a fortified area in the heart of Baghdad, this green zone can be a hellish place.

                  The soldiers have one of the toughest tasks in Afghanistan: improving security and winning the support of villagers in an area where the Taliban have been gaining power.


                  ...
                  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...village03.html

                  no napalm or agent orange left?

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                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    Maybe not.

                    What is escalating is the USA's budget gap, and I see some signs already that Obama's "the Bush era is over" foreign policy also has the intended objective of cutting expenditures by backing the USA out of a lot of expensive foreign adventures, starting with Iraq, and perhaps also Afghanistan once the political path is paved.

                    Foreigners don't vote in US elections, so this is an easier fiscal strategy to execute than cutting program expenditures at home. The world criticized the Bush White House for its lack of multilateralism. The world is perhaps about to find out that it should have been more careful what it wished for because Obama seems inclined to demand multilateral engagement from the rest. North Korea, for example, seems to well on its way to becoming someone else's problem.

                    Declaring victory and going home is an age old American tactic, and I don't see any reason why it won't be trotted out again given the current situation...

                    Another few political paving stones have been laid this week...here's just one more example...

                    U.S. envoy objects to troop increase
                    Ambassador in Afghanistan reportedly questions country's stability


                    updated 4:37 a.m. ET Nov. 12, 2009

                    WASHINGTON - The U.S. envoy in Afghanistan, a former Army general who once commanded troops in the country, has objected strongly to emerging plans to send tens of thousands of additional forces to the country, a senior U.S. official said Wednesday.

                    Ambassador Karl Eikenberry resigned his Army commission to take the job as U.S. ambassador in Kabul earlier this year, and his is an influential voice among those advising President Barack Obama on Afghanistan. Eikenberry sent multiple classified cables to Washington over the past week that question the wisdom of adding forces when the Afghan political situation is unstable and uncertain...

                    ...Meanwhile, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that she is concerned about Afghanistan's "corruption, lack of transparency, poor governance (and) absence of the rule of law."

                    "We're looking to President Karzai as he forms a new government to take action that will demonstrate — not just to the international community but first and foremost to his own people — that his second term will respond the needs that are so manifest," Clinton said...


                    ...A senior U.S. official told The Associated Press that Obama rejected all four options presented to him at what had been expected to be the last of those sessions Wednesday. Those options started from the premise that some addition of U.S. forces is necessary...

                    ...Eikenberry was the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan for two years before moving to Brussels to be deputy chairman of NATO's military committee in 2007. He had served one previous tour in Afghanistan...

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                      Re: Afghanization

                      Originally posted by GRG55
                      Declaring victory and going home is an age old American tactic, and I don't see any reason why it won't be trotted out again given the current situation...
                      But declaring victory and going home doesn't get you the pipelines.

                      Higgins would not approve.

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                        Re: Afghanization

                        http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...BrandChannel=0

                        Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:22am IST

                        President Barack Obama pushed his Afghan war council on Wednesday for revisions in strategy options presented to him before he will go ahead with a final decision on boosting troop levels in Afghanistan, a senior U.S. official said.

                        ... Obama asked his top advisers to clarify how and when U.S. troops will shift security responsibility to the Afghan government, the administration official said.

                        The White House said Obama has yet to make up his mind on the proposals that have been put forth, and he is expected to continue deliberations during a nine-day trip to Asia starting on Thursday. His press secretary has insisted a decision is still weeks away.

                        Officials privately have described proposals that would call for deeper U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan to confront a resurgent Taliban and its al Qaeda allies.

                        They had said earlier that among the four strategy options Obama is considering, there was growing support among some of his top advisers for deploying 30,000 or more additional troops to Afghanistan.

                        But Obama raised questions during a 2-1/2-hour strategy review, the eighth in a series of such meetings, that could weigh heavily on how many additional troops are sent to Afghanistan and the timeframe for keeping them there.

                        As a result, the options presented by Obama's national security team are almost certain to be amended.
                        Last edited by Slimprofits; November 12, 2009, 12:19 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Afghanization

                          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                          But declaring victory and going home doesn't get you the pipelines.

                          Higgins would not approve.
                          Priorities.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Afghanization

                            Originally posted by ASH
                            Priorities.
                            If Obama does manage a 'strategic victory' in Afghanistan and withdraws the troops, it will also mean that he's now failed to fulfill any of his previous commitments.

                            The sending of troops there was the only one so far he has come through on!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Afghanization

                              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                              If Obama does manage a 'strategic victory' in Afghanistan and withdraws the troops, it will also mean that he's now failed to fulfill any of his previous commitments.

                              The sending of troops there was the only one so far he has come through on!
                              Yeah. But I think that from his perspective, going for the 'win' (which few of us here at iTulip think is achievable) and failing will be more damaging than changing course. I have always felt that Obama had to insist that Afghanistan was the "right" war during his campaign for reasons of domestic politics -- so that he wouldn't be seen as too dovish. Now, it's true that he has a second term to win, but the need to appear tough is less pressing than the need to avoid flamboyantly leading us over a cliff. Again, this is just my impression, but I think it was more important for candidate Obama to act 'tough' than it is for President Obama to act tough, because simply holding the office and wielding power enhances his image as a leader. Anyway, things are getting tougher in Afghanistan, and public support continues to drop, so the political calculation is changing. I could be full of shit, but I don't think Obama's incentives to keep us in Afghanistan are very strong, and I think that he won't make the decision to stay there unless he is reasonably confident of gaining -- rather than losing -- stature by doing so. I gotta think Obama and his team are only partially deluded... not totally so. As Obama learns more about Afghanistan, as his OMB guys look more at the budget, and as they experience doubts about the rosy recovery scenario they are peddling, I gotta figure they will conclude that they don't need yet another big risk.

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