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  • All your wealth are belong to us.

    From Bill Bonner at The Daily Reckoning.

    As our friend Nassim Taleb puts it, the financial system “still has the same disease.”

    But it’s being kept alive with massive doses of very expensive medicine – provided by the feds.

    So what are they going to do now? They claim to have prevented catastrophe. They say they’ve engineered a recovery. And yet, if they let up on the drugs…the patient dies.

    They’re trapped…they’ll have to keep pumping in money for years…until the money runs out.

    Naturally, the feds want to raise as much money as they can. So, like bank robbers, they go where the money is – to the “rich.”

    Steve Sjuggerud tells us what has happened back at home…in Maryland.

    “The state of Maryland couldn’t balance its budget last year. So the state decided the right way to raise tax dollars was to fleece the millionaires… Maryland state politicians created a ‘millionaire’ tax bracket.

    “Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley of course expected tax receipts to go up. He said Maryland’s 3,000 millionaires were ‘willing to pay their fair share.’ The Baltimore Sun said the rich would ‘grin and bear it.’

    “But the opposite happened…

    “Instead of 3,000 Maryland millionaires filing taxes in April 2009, only 2,000 did. According to The Wall Street Journal: ‘Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year – even at higher rates.’

    “A friend of mine lives here in Florida. He is not an American citizen. He pays US taxes while he lives here. But under the threat of higher national income taxes, he is contemplating giving up his green card and moving elsewhere.

    “When Maryland’s governor raises taxes, Maryland residents leave and government income goes down.

    “When the nation’s President raises income taxes, foreigners like my friend leave and government income goes down.

    “Unfortunately, YOU CAN’T LEAVE.

    “Wait a minute. This is America, land of the free, right?

    “Not so fast… The US government will track US citizens everywhere to get tax money. If you leave to work in another country, you still pay US income taxes. America and North Korea are the only countries that tax you on your worldwide income.

    “If it gets bad enough, you can just give up your citizenship, right? Nope, you can’t do that either. At least, you can’t do it without paying a potentially massive ‘exit tax.’

    “The exit tax acts like an estate tax. If you want to give up your citizenship, you have to give up nearly half your wealth above a certain level. The Economist magazine calls it ‘America’s Berlin Wall.’ Nice, eh?

    “Want some more nice? Once you’re gone, you’re not legally allowed to come back and visit family and friends. Yes, if the government decides you have renounced citizenship for tax purposes, a federal law prohibits you from entering the country ever again. (You can look up the rule under 8 USC 1182(a)(10)(E).)

    “You can escape states with oppressive taxes. But ‘escaping’ the US – the land of the free – is much more difficult. And you can bet it won’t get any easier as the government needs more and more of your income to pay its bills.”

    http://dailyreckoning.com/an-ordinar...-crash-bounce/

    Nice, eh?
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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    Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

    For the non-IT-geeks in the crowd wondering about the subject title "All your wealth are belong to us", this is a play on the 2000-2002 Sega Video game from Japan called "Zero Wing" where the translation of the introductory movie to the game had countless "Engrish" errors, of which "All your BASE are belong to us" became wide spread popular.

    See 2.7 Million hit Youtube video here & Wikipedia details here.

    Ok, now back to economics...
    Adeptus,
    Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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    • #3
      Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

      I couldn't help when re-watching this classic piece of internet seeing a re-make.

      Where the Chinese were pronouncing 'all your base are belong to us', with a slideshow of US assets being acquired. Starting with GM, moving it's non-US ops to Shanghai.

      Complete with 8 bit techno music. Somehow I don't think it will be all that comical and nostalgic, but highly accurate.

      -Pangea

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      • #4
        Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

        Originally posted by pangea View Post
        I couldn't help when re-watching this classic piece of internet seeing a re-make.

        Where the Chinese were pronouncing 'all your base are belong to us', with a slideshow of US assets being acquired. Starting with GM, moving it's non-US ops to Shanghai.

        Complete with 8 bit techno music. Somehow I don't think it will be all that comical and nostalgic, but highly accurate.

        -Pangea
        B-b-b-b-but, that's free trade, isn't it?
        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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        • #5
          Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

          Originally posted by pangea View Post
          I couldn't help when re-watching this classic piece of internet seeing a re-make.

          Where the Chinese were pronouncing 'all your base are belong to us', with a slideshow of US assets being acquired. Starting with GM, moving it's non-US ops to Shanghai.

          Complete with 8 bit techno music. Somehow I don't think it will be all that comical and nostalgic, but highly accurate.

          -Pangea
          Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
          B-b-b-b-but, that's free trade, isn't it?

          Isn't this indicative of the problem...you folks just can't let go of the has-been stuff and get back to doing more of what America used to do so well...invent the next big thing [and I don't mean CDO^4].

          GM and Chrysler have been failing enterprises for 30 years [did they ever really recover from the "J-car" & "K-car" episode of the early '80s?]. Maybe you folks should have sold them to the Chinese years ago, while they were still worth something...:rolleyes:

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          • #6
            Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            Isn't this indicative of the problem...you folks just can't let go of the has-been stuff and get back to doing more of what America used to do so well...invent the next big thing [and I don't mean CDO^4].

            GM and Chrysler have been failing enterprises for 30 years [did they ever really recover from the "J-car" & "K-car" episode of the early '80s?]. Maybe you folks should have sold them to the Chinese years ago, while they were still worth something...:rolleyes:


            GM still does some of what America used to do so well -- builds locomotives. EMD (Electro-motive Diesel) has built 70,000 units and is the world's premier supplier. The next big thing? Maybe it's around the corner.

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            • #7
              Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

              Originally posted by Verrocchio View Post


              GM still does some of what America used to do so well -- builds locomotives. EMD (Electro-motive Diesel) has built 70,000 units and is the world's premier supplier. The next big thing? Maybe it's around the corner.
              Who says America doesn't manufacture anything any more...

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              • #8
                Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                Who says America doesn't manufacture anything any more...
                Not me, my factory is making 400 engines a day.

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                • #9
                  Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Who says America doesn't manufacture anything any more...
                  From http://green.autoblog.com/2008/08/20...id-locomotive/ a year ago:


                  China produces its first freight hybrid locomotive
                  by Xavier Navarro on Aug 20th 2008 at 3:45PM



                  China has produced its first hybrid electric-diesel locomotive, the JT56ACe. The high powered diesel-electric model was jointly manufactured by CNR Dalian Locomotive and Rolling Stock Co. (DLoco) and USA-based Electro-Motive Diesel, Inc., (EMD, formerly a GM company). It's got a 6,000 hp diesel engine and its manufacturers claim that it's the most fuel efficient and environmentally friendly locomotive in the world. It features dual isolated driver's cabins, low exhaust emissions, electronic fuel injection, AC traction drive system, microcomputer control system. The JT56ACe can pull up to 5000 tons (metric) with a maximum speed of 120 km/h (75mph). EMD and CNR have agreed to build 300 of these locomotives for the Chinese Ministry of Railways.
                  Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                  • #10
                    Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                    Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                    From Bill Bonner at The Daily Reckoning.

                    As our friend Nassim Taleb puts it, the financial system “still has the same disease.”

                    But it’s being kept alive with massive doses of very expensive medicine – provided by the feds.

                    So what are they going to do now? They claim to have prevented catastrophe. They say they’ve engineered a recovery. And yet, if they let up on the drugs…the patient dies.

                    They’re trapped…they’ll have to keep pumping in money for years…until the money runs out.

                    Naturally, the feds want to raise as much money as they can. So, like bank robbers, they go where the money is – to the “rich.”

                    Steve Sjuggerud tells us what has happened back at home…in Maryland.

                    “The state of Maryland couldn’t balance its budget last year. So the state decided the right way to raise tax dollars was to fleece the millionaires… Maryland state politicians created a ‘millionaire’ tax bracket.

                    “Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley of course expected tax receipts to go up. He said Maryland’s 3,000 millionaires were ‘willing to pay their fair share.’ The Baltimore Sun said the rich would ‘grin and bear it.’

                    “But the opposite happened…

                    “Instead of 3,000 Maryland millionaires filing taxes in April 2009, only 2,000 did. According to The Wall Street Journal: ‘Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year – even at higher rates.’

                    “A friend of mine lives here in Florida. He is not an American citizen. He pays US taxes while he lives here. But under the threat of higher national income taxes, he is contemplating giving up his green card and moving elsewhere.

                    “When Maryland’s governor raises taxes, Maryland residents leave and government income goes down.

                    “When the nation’s President raises income taxes, foreigners like my friend leave and government income goes down.

                    “Unfortunately, YOU CAN’T LEAVE.

                    “Wait a minute. This is America, land of the free, right?

                    “Not so fast… The US government will track US citizens everywhere to get tax money. If you leave to work in another country, you still pay US income taxes. America and North Korea are the only countries that tax you on your worldwide income.

                    “If it gets bad enough, you can just give up your citizenship, right? Nope, you can’t do that either. At least, you can’t do it without paying a potentially massive ‘exit tax.’

                    “The exit tax acts like an estate tax. If you want to give up your citizenship, you have to give up nearly half your wealth above a certain level. The Economist magazine calls it ‘America’s Berlin Wall.’ Nice, eh?

                    “Want some more nice? Once you’re gone, you’re not legally allowed to come back and visit family and friends. Yes, if the government decides you have renounced citizenship for tax purposes, a federal law prohibits you from entering the country ever again. (You can look up the rule under 8 USC 1182(a)(10)(E).)

                    “You can escape states with oppressive taxes. But ‘escaping’ the US – the land of the free – is much more difficult. And you can bet it won’t get any easier as the government needs more and more of your income to pay its bills.”

                    http://dailyreckoning.com/an-ordinar...-crash-bounce/

                    Nice, eh?
                    You can get away with paying no tax and being a tax fugitive. As long as you give a decent amount of dosh to Bubba Clinton's presidential library.

                    Fortunately, I remain a citizen of the Republic of India.

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                    • #11
                      Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                      The Chinese train shown isn't a hybrid. All long-distance trains have diesel engines that power the electric transmission. This allows the hydrocarbon engine to run at it's most fuel efficient rate, as the weight of the engine is less of a concern than for cars.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_locomotive

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                      • #12
                        Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                        Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                        “Unfortunately, YOU CAN’T LEAVE.

                        “Wait a minute. This is America, land of the free, right?

                        “Not so fast… The US government will track US citizens everywhere to get tax money. If you leave to work in another country, you still pay US income taxes. America and North Korea are the only countries that tax you on your worldwide income.


                        How on earth will the US government know whether or not you are earning in another country? You could be on a long vacation, or you could report that you earn $10K a year instead of $100K. It's easy to obtain false income documentation in many countries. I don't think they can verify this.

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                        • #13
                          Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                          Originally posted by mfyahya View Post
                          How on earth will the US government know whether or not you are earning in another country? You could be on a long vacation, or you could report that you earn $10K a year instead of $100K. It's easy to obtain false income documentation in many countries. I don't think they can verify this.
                          So you have to commit what I'm sure is a felony not to pay taxes. Better hope you don't get caught.
                          Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                          • #14
                            Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                            Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                            So you have to commit what I'm sure is a felony not to pay taxes. Better hope you don't get caught.
                            I agree. The "you could always just break the law -- what's the big deal?" angle has never really appealed to me.

                            Nice thread title, btw.

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                            • #15
                              Re: All your wealth are belong to us.

                              Originally posted by mfyahya View Post
                              How on earth will the US government know whether or not you are earning in another country? You could be on a long vacation, or you could report that you earn $10K a year instead of $100K. It's easy to obtain false income documentation in many countries. I don't think they can verify this.
                              Nobody is arguing that one can't under report incomes, sell gold under the table, or in some way commit what the man refers to as 'tax fraud'. Inside or outside the country you'd better not get caught.

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