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    Not sure this is 100%, but i post it so Metalman can rip it:-





    Date: September 16, 2009
    Reporting From: Shanghai, People's Republic of China


    Gold is quickly reaching the mania phase in China, and there are clear signs of it on the ground.

    About a month ago, we reported that for the first time ever, the Chinese government is promoting gold and silver as investments. And by "promoting," we meant cramming it down people's throats.

    We knew this was ground-breaking news at the time-- a clear indication of long-term demand growth, as well as a sign that the government will be accepting higher inflation in the future.

    Ironically, this story was little noticed in the gold industry at the time, mostly because the information was only being circulated in China (in Chinese, for that matter). Fortunately, my friend and China insider Christine Verone was able to get me the scoop, and we ran it here first.

    Since that report, three things have happened;

    First- the mainstream media has latched on to the story about Chinese gold... Forbes, Moneyweek, Reuters, the blogosphere; it's out there now, and adding a bit of extra buzz to the gold market.

    Second- the government has stepped up its promotional campaign, and Chinese consumers have responded on cue. Gold demand has grown dramatically just this year, particularly as savvy local investors are starting to view Chinese stocks suspiciously.

    Third- and perhaps most importantly, Christine literally made history by becoming the first foreigner EVER in China to be certified in any professional capacity by a Chinese commodity exchange.

    I'm looking forward to all the great information that Christine will be able to share with me about Asia's gold markets when she's not tied up making deals in Mongolia or working with bankers and offshore trusts in Singapore and Labuan. In the meantime, the two of us had quite an interesting tour of Chinese gold shops.

    You can buy gold in China at any bank-- even tiny banks in tier-3 cities sell gold. More importantly, however, the government is setting up official Chinese Mint stores all over the country.

    On the inside, they look like jewelry shops-- armed guards, glass viewing cases, etc. But instead of diamond crusted earrings and white star sapphires, you see bars. Lots of bars.

    The government mints bars in sizes ranging from 5 grams (which are so tiny they're actually cute) to 1 kilogram. The prices are updated instantly-- they have a Bloomberg screen which tracks the spot price, generally indexed to the Renminbi price in Shanghai rather than New York or London (another sign of Chinese financial independence).

    The bars are all serialized and 9999 purity, the same as you would get from Switzerland. They are also certified by the gold exchange, which validates the quality. There is no tax, and the premium runs 10 renminbi per gram, or roughly $30 (US) per ounce.

    We went into several stores and saw Chinese people buying like crazy... all with cash. The most popular denominations were 10 grams and 50 grams-- and I'm surprised the mint shops didn't sell out at the rate those bars were flying off the shelf.

    Christine has some great contacts at the shop across the street from the Westin Hotel-- if you take a taxi there, ask for the WEE-stin (that's how they say it) and you will see the shop on the opposite corner. Ask for Gao Ping, he speaks great English.

    Given the ultra low cost, storage options (that I will get into later), and ease of transport, China is a great place to buy and store gold... especially if you find yourself there for business already.

    And remember, one of the best ways to buy gold is through a self-directed IRA so that you can get the tax advantage as well.

    More tomorrow, I'm off to catch a flight.






    Simon Black
    Senior Editor, Sovereign Man

    Fidelio Interational Publisher of SovereignMan.com
    Salduba Bldg, 3rd Floor
    53rd East Street, Obarrio,
    Panama City, PANAMA 00000

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    Re: China+Gold
    China may ban export of gold, silver

    ...

    But back to China. How could China affect the price of gold? We live in China and spend a lot of time with local industry leaders and policy makers. We hear repeatedly that the time has come to think seriously about how to survive the perceived dollar devaluation. In some cases we note serious concern, and in other cases absolute dread over a perceived dollar crash.


    Over the past six months Beijing has made a series of moves to protect itself against a dollar devaluation. In a recent "BRIC Summit" in Russia several months ago, Chinese leaders came out strongly in favor of a new reserve currency to replace the dollar (including the IMF's "SDR" currency). China is also quietly purchasing mining assets and gold bullion. But the government has recently gone further.

    According to Financial Sense:

    As recently as 2002, the private ownership of gold was prohibited in China. You could be jailed if caught with any in your possession. Beginning in 2009, in a stunning about-face, the central government removed all restrictions. In fact, as Mineweb and other sources report now it is actively pushing folks to buy some personal metal, with China’s Central Television, the main state-owned television company, running news programs cum infomercials, letting the public know just how easy it is to purchase gold and silver as an investment.

    ...
    http://www.commodityonline.com/news/...21219-3-1.html

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    • #3
      Re: China+Gold

      so if each Chinese citizen bought 1oz of gold at $1,000 USD then that is $1 billion oz of Gold at $1 trillion USD.

      It is estimated that there has been $10 billion oz of gold dug out of the earth in human history so that would be 1/10th of all the gold.

      The market for available physical gold is probably much smaller than the $10 billion although I've not looked it up.

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      • #4
        Re: China+Gold

        Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
        so if each Chinese citizen bought 1oz of gold at $1,000 USD then that is $1 billion oz of Gold at $1 trillion USD.

        It is estimated that there has been $10 billion oz of gold dug out of the earth in human history so that would be 1/10th of all the gold.

        The market for available physical gold is probably much smaller than the $10 billion although I've not looked it up.
        Good post, but just for clarification: when you quantify ounces of gold, you should not use a dollar sign. I think what you mean is:

        Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
        so if each Chinese citizen bought 1oz of gold at $1,000 USD then that is 1 billion oz of Gold at $1 trillion USD.

        It is estimated that there has been 10 billion oz of gold dug out of the earth in human history so that would be 1/10th of all the gold.

        The market for available physical gold is probably much smaller than the 10 billion although I've not looked it up.

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        • #5
          Re: China+Gold

          China Admits Gold’s Monetary Role


          “Gold is a commodity that combines the attributes of a currency, financial commodity and general commodity. Despite the declining function of gold as currency in the world, the activeness and development of investment activities with gold as the target indicates that gold still has a strong financial nature and remains an indispensable investment tool. In major financial centers in the world, the gold market, together with the money market, securities market and FX market, constitutes the main part of the financial market.
          - Dr. Zhou Xiaochuan, Governor of the People’s Bank of China, writing in the Alchemist (issue 36, 2004)


          Fresh winds of optimism for gold and silver investors are blowing from China. For about a month now, the Chinese state television has been openly promoting gold and silver as an investment and a store of wealth. Not long ago, the Chinese announced that they had been “secretly” buying gold – starting from 2003 they had bought over 600 metric tons of gold, bringing the gold to cash reserve ratio from 1.3% to 1.7%. Of course, the Chinese are awfully good at smoke and mirrors and so it is not clear whether the numbers that were published back in spring are the real numbers.
          Read further --

          http://www.kristjanvelbri.com/2009/0...-role-as-money

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          • #6
            Re: China+Gold

            Originally posted by Mega View Post
            Not sure this is 100%, but i post it so Metalman can rip it:-





            Date: September 16, 2009
            Reporting From: Shanghai, People's Republic of China


            Gold is quickly reaching the mania phase in China, and there are clear signs of it on the ground.

            About a month ago, we reported that for the first time ever, the Chinese government is promoting gold and silver as investments. And by "promoting," we meant cramming it down people's throats.

            We knew this was ground-breaking news at the time-- a clear indication of long-term demand growth, as well as a sign that the government will be accepting higher inflation in the future.

            Ironically, this story was little noticed in the gold industry at the time, mostly because the information was only being circulated in China (in Chinese, for that matter). Fortunately, my friend and China insider Christine Verone was able to get me the scoop, and we ran it here first.

            Since that report, three things have happened;

            First- the mainstream media has latched on to the story about Chinese gold... Forbes, Moneyweek, Reuters, the blogosphere; it's out there now, and adding a bit of extra buzz to the gold market.

            Second- the government has stepped up its promotional campaign, and Chinese consumers have responded on cue. Gold demand has grown dramatically just this year, particularly as savvy local investors are starting to view Chinese stocks suspiciously.

            Third- and perhaps most importantly, Christine literally made history by becoming the first foreigner EVER in China to be certified in any professional capacity by a Chinese commodity exchange.

            I'm looking forward to all the great information that Christine will be able to share with me about Asia's gold markets when she's not tied up making deals in Mongolia or working with bankers and offshore trusts in Singapore and Labuan. In the meantime, the two of us had quite an interesting tour of Chinese gold shops.

            You can buy gold in China at any bank-- even tiny banks in tier-3 cities sell gold. More importantly, however, the government is setting up official Chinese Mint stores all over the country.

            On the inside, they look like jewelry shops-- armed guards, glass viewing cases, etc. But instead of diamond crusted earrings and white star sapphires, you see bars. Lots of bars.

            The government mints bars in sizes ranging from 5 grams (which are so tiny they're actually cute) to 1 kilogram. The prices are updated instantly-- they have a Bloomberg screen which tracks the spot price, generally indexed to the Renminbi price in Shanghai rather than New York or London (another sign of Chinese financial independence).

            The bars are all serialized and 9999 purity, the same as you would get from Switzerland. They are also certified by the gold exchange, which validates the quality. There is no tax, and the premium runs 10 renminbi per gram, or roughly $30 (US) per ounce.

            We went into several stores and saw Chinese people buying like crazy... all with cash. The most popular denominations were 10 grams and 50 grams-- and I'm surprised the mint shops didn't sell out at the rate those bars were flying off the shelf.

            Christine has some great contacts at the shop across the street from the Westin Hotel-- if you take a taxi there, ask for the WEE-stin (that's how they say it) and you will see the shop on the opposite corner. Ask for Gao Ping, he speaks great English.

            Given the ultra low cost, storage options (that I will get into later), and ease of transport, China is a great place to buy and store gold... especially if you find yourself there for business already.

            And remember, one of the best ways to buy gold is through a self-directed IRA so that you can get the tax advantage as well.

            More tomorrow, I'm off to catch a flight.






            Simon Black
            Senior Editor, Sovereign Man

            Fidelio Interational Publisher of SovereignMan.com
            Salduba Bldg, 3rd Floor
            53rd East Street, Obarrio,
            Panama City, PANAMA 00000
            sorry... don't see a winning 10 yr macro old argument & track record that explains 'why now?' just some crap about gold sales outside the guy's hotel room.

            exclusive pics of fidelio interational's offices in panama city...



            btw, everything the chinese gov't says is a lie. no part of any sentence issued by the ccp is true. even the articles... such as 'a' and 'the'... are lies. the punctuation... the periods and commas... are lies... and the spaces between the words.

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            • #7
              Re: China+Gold

              Originally posted by metalman View Post
              btw, everything the chinese gov't says is a lie. no part of any sentence issued by the ccp is true. even the articles... such as 'a' and 'the'... are lies. the punctuation... the periods and commas... are lies... and the spaces between the words.
              comrade: thanks for your shinning guidance, like the beacon through the darkness of the evil communism...OK, i will read between the lines...:p

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              • #8
                Re: China+Gold

                MM,

                The Chinese are preparing for war. The gold buying is a prelude to it.

                -Sapiens

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                • #9
                  Re: China+Gold

                  Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                  MM,

                  The Chinese are preparing for war. The gold buying is a prelude to it.

                  -Sapiens
                  Well, they do have a lot of young, unemployed men who can't find wives.

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                  • #10
                    Re: China+Gold

                    Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                    The Chinese are preparing for war. The gold buying is a prelude to it.
                    Perhaps the Chinese gold buying is just another way for their central bank and their citizens to save rather than further inflate their real estate and other bubbles. Why does it have to mean war?
                    Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                    • #11
                      Re: China+Gold

                      Originally posted by metalman View Post
                      sorry... don't see a winning 10 yr macro old argument & track record that explains 'why now?' just some crap about gold sales outside the guy's hotel room.

                      exclusive pics of fidelio interational's offices in panama city...



                      btw, everything the chinese gov't says is a lie. no part of any sentence issued by the ccp is true. even the articles... such as 'a' and 'the'... are lies. the punctuation... the periods and commas... are lies... and the spaces between the words.
                      That's funny, but that is not the Salduba Bldg in Obarrio! Oh wait, there he is (in his third story office). You can see him clearly on the roof top.

                      Thanks for the laugh.

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                      • #12
                        Re: China+Gold

                        Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                        Perhaps the Chinese gold buying is just another way for their central bank and their citizens to save rather than further inflate their real estate and other bubbles. Why does it have to mean war?
                        Military parade aims to calm fears of China's rise



                        ...

                        The army, or PLA, is trying to emulate US military public relations strategies and sees this year's military parade as a key part of the move toward greater openness. It appointed its first public information officer last year and launched a website in August.

                        'The PLA is now showing more and more what it is and what it does to the outside world,' Gong said.

                        ...
                        Military playing catch-up in modernization


                        BEIJING, Sept. 22 -- Some of China's most advanced weaponry is already being utilized by soldiers – a sign of the country's stepped-up efforts to modernize its military by 2050, according to the defense minister.

                        Military analysts say China is striving to create a weapon system that compares to those of the United States, Russia and European nations.

                        China has drawn up a three-step development strategy, starting with laying "a solid foundation by 2010" for the upgrades, Minister of National Defense Liang Guanglie told the Xinhua News Agency for a story yesterday.

                        ...

                        Chinese analysts did not hesitate to applaud the development of China's weapons system, though some pointed out that Western powers might not be happy to see that happen.

                        "A Chinese weaponry system, which is practical, cheap and suitable for defense on home soil, will eventually come into being," Li Daguang, a senior military expert at the PLA University of National Defense, told the Global Times.

                        "The international environment happens to be unhelpful for China's weapon development," he said, citing weapons embargos against China byEuroupean Union and the US.

                        He also criticized foreign media for its reporting on China's military progress.

                        "They are quick to make noise whenever China reports progress in its weaponry development," he said. "They exaggerate and politicize the issue."

                        China compares military might to West's

                        Keep a close eye on this one:
                        Mystery of China VP's military appointment deepens

                        But what is not being mentioned is this going on down in South America and how the Russian and Chinese are helping Chavez and Brasil:

                        Arms race grows in South America
                        Last edited by Sapiens; September 22, 2009, 02:14 PM.

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                        • #13
                          China promises show of force in Oct 1 parade

                          China promises show of force in Oct 1 parade

                          BEIJING — China on Wednesday promised military watchers a real show in the National Day parade on October 1, with a host of new equipment to be rolled out, most of which has never before been seen in public.

                          "The equipment we will unveil is 100 percent China-made and close to 90 percent will be paraded for the first time," Gao Jianguo, spokesman for the office of the National Day Military Parade Joint Command, told reporters.

                          China will stage a huge military parade and pageant in Beijing on October 1 to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of the communist People's Republic.

                          The National Day parade, held every 10 years, typically showcases new-generation weapons systems and are closely scrutinised by both domestic and foreign military watchers for clues about Chinese development trends.

                          Gao said new equipment unveiled to the public would include nuclear, conventional and cruise missiles, as well as fighter jets, radar systems and surface-to-air missiles -- without offering any specifics.

                          "We will unveil some new weapons during this parade and this is the concrete reflection of China's economic and technological development and progress in the military field," he said.

                          Gao said the parade, to take place on Chang'an Avenue -- one of Beijing's main thoroughfares that runs alongside Tiananmen Square -- would include 56 units of marching soldiers, rolling equipment and air formations.

                          China's military spending rose 15.3 percent in 2009 to 69 billion dollars, according to a budget submitted to parliament in March, the latest in a string of double-digit increases.

                          Despite concern abroad at the money poured in, China has strived to transform the once-backward People's Liberation Army into a lean, professional and high-tech fighting force.

                          Beijing has repeatedly stressed the defensive nature of its armed forces.

                          "China always follows the road of peaceful development and always strives to build a world of lasting peace, prosperity and harmony," Gao said.

                          An example from the 1999 parade:

                          Last edited by Sapiens; September 25, 2009, 09:38 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: China+Gold

                            Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                            ...But what is not being mentioned is this going on down in South America and how the Russian and Chinese are helping Chavez and Brasil:

                            Arms race grows in South America

                            Selling arms to resource rich third world countries is nothing new. The USA and the UK have been making a good business of it for decades in the Middle East. But if you think that having near-state-of-the-art weapons means that the country becomes a threat, or can actually defend itself, think again...

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                            • #15
                              Re: China promises show of force in Oct 1 parade

                              big day for china, eh?
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