swine flu: nothing to see, move along

[Spartacus]

but the MSM refuse to tell us that ...

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...swine-flu.html


an excerpt:

The word “pandemic” doesn’t mean what the general public thinks it does and few people are even aware that the definition has been changed. In declaring a global pandemic of H1N1, the World Health Organization, as well as the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Public Health Agency of Canada, changed the definition of “pandemic.” This pandemic wouldn’t be a pandemic with the old definition.

For years, Doshi explained, influenza pandemics were defined as occurring when a new influenza virus appears where the human population has no immunity, resulting in epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness. That phrase was removed from the definition in early May, just after a phase 5 pandemic alert was declared.

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I don't believe what she says about Google - AFAIK, Google doesn't filter a lot except in cases like China.

So what's going on?
Health agency turf wars?
bureaucratic empire building?
Using a fake crisis to get more power?

Gee, where have we heard that before?

[Serge_Tomiko]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

All I know is it was recently reported some government agency estimated at least 10% of the population of New York City had been infected by the virus. They've closed schools, and a few people have died. That said, no one seems anymore sick that unusual and I haven't known or even heard of anyone with any serious illness of any kind.

[metalman]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

All I know is it was recently reported some government agency estimated at least 10% of the population of New York City had been infected by the virus. They've closed schools, and a few people have died. That said, no one seems anymore sick that unusual and I haven't known or even heard of anyone with any serious illness of any kind.

not 1932...

not 1918...

what's a doomer to do?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

I don't believe what she says about Google - AFAIK, Google doesn't filter a lot except in cases like China.

Could she be confusing (1) the Google Health Advisory Council, which is a service created to "manage health information you are given to what its stakeholders 'believe is relevant for you.' " with (2) the well known Google search engine, which I agree with you doesn't filter much?

Well, maybe, maybe not. In the next sentence she bemoans "how Google’s search results prioritize what government-private stakeholders want the public to believe", which pertains to the search engine. On that matter I am inclined to give Google the benefit of the doubt. Yes, search results are prioritized (good grief; I couldn't handle 1 million hits on my query any other way), however I trust that the prioritization is more a reflection of "what is out there" than a deliberate policy preferences by Google. Holders or seekers of less common positions just have to search harder; rather what you'd expect.

Sounds to me like her Google complaints are a bit muddle headed.

You're right -- I don't agree withwhat she said either ... whatever it was she said.

[mesyn191]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

No, we haven't got anything near what happened in the 1930's or 1918 yet, and I don't think the Swine Flu will make things get that bad either.

To be fair though I know many hospitals in southern CA are starting to fill up with patients, particularly the elderly, who have Swine Flu. For the elderly and very young, and those who have pulmonary issues in particular the Swine Flu will be a serious issue.

[stanley2008]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

An employee of the WHO who believes the health risk is small and doesn't warn the public will get slammed if he is wrong.
If he is right he will get no notice or credit.
On the other hand if that person screams that the sky is falling and is wrong, nobody will find fault for the waste of money and time. If the sky does happen to fall he will probably be promoted or given a bigger budget.

Its the same thinking that has airport security removing nail clippers and bottles of shampoo from carry on baggage.

[D-Mack]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

Expert: H1N1 death rate similar to seasonal flu
Harvard scientist offers up a bit of good news at swine flu meeting Timeline

updated 12:55 p.m. ET Sept. 16, 2009

WASHINGTON - The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.

New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr. Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University.

"It's mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953...alth-swine_flu

[ax]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

Expert: H1N1 death rate similar to seasonal flu
Harvard scientist offers up a bit of good news at swine flu meeting Timeline

updated 12:55 p.m. ET Sept. 16, 2009

WASHINGTON - The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.

New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr. Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University.

"It's mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953...alth-swine_flu

Pandemic refers more to the rate of spread than the virulence of the virus. I can tell you that I'm seeing people who don't appear to be that sick who have H1N1 (actually, rapid type A tests which probably mean H1N1) and some who are very sick with this virus. What's unusual is the amount of young, healthy people who are getting it and deaths at young ages in pregnant women and diabetics during this time of year.

[tofu2u2]

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Here's what I know about swine flu: a few weeks ago, I woke up on a thursday morning with a runny nose, throat got scratchy throughout the day, felt like a cold coming on. Friday, I had a headache, bad cough, stomach was quesy & by Friday night, I was admitted to the hospital (through the ER) with pnuemonia. I stayed in for the weekend.

This started out like a cold, then felt like a flu & within hours, I was literally gasping for breath. After taking Levaquinn for a couple of weeks, Im feeling better but easily tired. I get a regualar flu shot every year, as do my family members; we all got our regular flu shots this year as soon as they were available. I use hand sanitzer on a regular basis throughout the day. I think I caught this flu from visting my daughter at univ of Maryland, there are so many cases there. (I think Obama is nuts for going into an enclosed building at Univ of Maryland today, there are so many coughing kids up there, i hope he doesnt catch this flu while he's there).

But the point is: this is a NASTY bug. I couldnt catch my breath after walking across my living room (our house isn't very big) and I still have a deep bronchial cough 3 weeks later. All this BS about not getting a flu shot? trust me: you don't want this flu. And the stuff about having food & supplies on hand? yeah, you'll need it cuz this thing saps your energy, this is the first week that Im going out (its been 3 weeks since I was in the hospital! I never take this long to get better) and I still get so tired so easily, I still have to sleep sitting up cuz my lungs are still 'filling' if I lay down & this is with using inhalers, medication, antibiotics, etc.

God help those without health insurance & can't afford to go to the ER, this virus can kill very quickly, it goes straight to the deep lungs and wrecks havoc there.

[sunskyfan]

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First off I think that the swine flu is a real threat to be concerned about .... but since our Economic crisis seems to be about a failed model for managing risk it is better looked at as an Insurance crisis. Could the more pressing concern be that the entire Insurance industry is on the brink of failure and that the narrative for FURTHER bailout must be but in place?

It is one thing for Wall Street to go tits-up but it is another for Aetna, BCBS, United, Humana and so on to become insolvent because of the twin events of the Financial collapse and a pandemic. To me it would be the next logical crisis to worry about.

[tofu2u2]

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When I was in law school (early 80's) we had all these visiting lecturers about development of real estate, especially for commercial real estate development projects. What surprised us students was how just about all of them worked for insurance companies, even then, most commercial real estate development was backed by insurance companies because, as one lecturer put it, we have to do something with all that money paid in as premiums. the best deals for them were some of the medical office building developments. Not much has changed in almost 30 years, a lot of commercial r/e deals are underwritten by insurance companies.

Now we are hearing about the impending commercial real estate market crash and its gonna be interesting, to say the least, about what happens to these insurance companies.

[allenjs]

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But the point is: this is a NASTY bug. I couldnt catch my breath after walking across my living room (our house isn't very big) and I still have a deep bronchial cough 3 weeks later. All this BS about not getting a flu shot? trust me: you don't want this flu. And the stuff about having food & supplies on hand? yeah, you'll need it cuz this thing saps your energy, this is the first week that Im going out (its been 3 weeks since I was in the hospital!

Yeah, I know several people who got it, and it's brutal. It knocks most people completely out of commission for about 7 days.

Through diet and exercise, I lost 20 pounds and 3 inches off the waist over the past 60 days. I figure I'm healthy enough to survive it now if I get it. I'll let others get the vaccine.

[reallife]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

Yeah, I know several people who got it, and it's brutal. It knocks most people completely out of commission for about 7 days.

Through diet and exercise, I lost 20 pounds and 3 inches off the waist over the past 60 days. I figure I'm healthy enough to survive it now if I get it. I'll let others get the vaccine.

I'll get the seasonal flu vaccine next week and the H1N1 flu vaccine in mid-October or earlier if it becomes available sooner than expected. I'm a healthy, fit and active 56 years old. I've never smoked (and voluntarily damaged my lungs). Fortunately, I'm a health care worker so I can be first in line for the vaccines.

[Diarmuid]

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but the MSM refuse to tell us that ...

Hi this appears to me to be a very lucid, and without the scare mongering of the FEMA sort blah blah, explanation of possible adverse side effects around the swine flu vacinations - however I am not a medical professional; I wonder if someone with more expertise in this area could please comment as to the varacity of the subject topics in the video and possibly have first hand knowledge of the studies the doctor alludes to in the video - if so I would be grateful ffor your input and any possible links to studies.

Thank you

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/mercola2.1.1.html

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[jiimbergin]

Re: swine flu: nothing to see, move along

No, we haven't got anything near what happened in the 1930's or 1918 yet, and I don't think the Swine Flu will make things get that bad either.

To be fair though I know many hospitals in southern CA are starting to fill up with patients, particularly the elderly, who have Swine Flu. For the elderly and very young, and those who have pulmonary issues in particular the Swine Flu will be a serious issue.

Except everything I have read says the elderly seem to have some immunity to Swine Flu and instead ages 5 to 29 are the ages where most of the flu has hit.
jim