Watch Iran

[Mega]

Things warming up:-

PM Of Isreal went to see Russia this week in secert
The subject was Arms to Iran via that Ship they hijacked in the English channel.

Today Rockets land in Is-real, Russia sez an Attack on Iran is unaccetable. France sez Iran has "Not answered the question"..............So we now hear the drumbeat of War.

Mega's view:- This is aimed @ China, Either help bale the West out or we attack your oil/Gas provieder.

Sorry for the spellings, got a cold & off to bed shortly.

Mike

[ThePythonicCow]

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Mega's view:- This is aimed @ China, Either help bale the West out or we attack your oil/Gas provider.

I love it. I hadn't noticed that Iran is a major supplier to China before. Sure enough.

Another piece of the great tin-foil-hat conspiracy clicks into place for TheParanoidCow.

Thanks!

[D-Mack]

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We don't really know what the subject was...


Certainly the twitter/green revolution failed, does it make a conflict more likely now?

Maybe the Russians are planning for a post dollar world and investing in the ME ?

Arab states race for nuclear power

Published: Sept. 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM

ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates, Sept. 9 (UPI) -- Amid the gathering storm over Iran's controversial nuclear ambitions, the race is on among Arab states to build nuclear power plants of their own, opening up immense trade opportunities for the industrialized world as well as the specter of proliferation.

The United States, Britain, France and Russia are competing for contracts in the nuclear energy bonanza that is emerging in the Middle East as Arab states seek to generate more power to feed their growing economies and to build desalination plants, a vital element in development plans as water resources shrink.

http://www.upi.com/Energy_Resources/...9541252514795/

Israel admits Binyamin Netanyahu's secret trip to Moscow

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Mr Netanyahu’s office said only that he was “busy with a classified activity”. It did not deny an Israeli newspaper report that he had travelled to Moscow to urge the Kremlin not to sell weapons to Israel’s Middle Eastern enemies amid claims that the Arctic Sea cargo vessel was carrying S300s destined for Iran when it was intercepted by the Russian Navy.

Mr Netanyahu apparently went to great lengths to cover up his visit, which was kept secret even from members of his staff. Senior officials confirmed to The Times that he flew to Moscow on a private jet hired for $20,000 from a company owned by the Israeli mogul Yossi Maiman.

“He made great efforts to conceal the trip from the public, as both he and the Russians agreed that it should be kept quiet,” said one official.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6829278.ece

The Russians certainly didn't say much
Russia's foreign ministry unaware of 'secret' visit by Israeli PM

Maybe PM didn't go to Russia after all?

The media's fixation on whether Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu made a clandestine trip to Russia on Monday, and what he might have discussed there, spilled over into the Russian press Thursday, with intense speculation over the nature of the purported visit.

Mystery surrounds Netanyahu's 'secret trip to Russia'

The Russian daily Kommersant quoted a senior Kremlin official as confirming the visit, and speculating that "this kind of development could only be related to new and threatening information on Iran's nuclear program."

The paper quoted experts speculating that such a trip would only be justified under extraordinary circumstances, "for example, in the case of Israel planning to attack Iran." These comments were made even as Russia formally denied knowledge of a Netanyahu trip.

The Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported that Russia's Foreign Ministry had no official information about the alleged visit.

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

[Sapiens]

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What a better way to get Capital to flow back into the USA.

[cobben]

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"What a better way to get Capital to flow back into the USA."

Well, the Saudis just did a $2B arms deal with Russia . . .

Now, where did you say that petro$ capital was supposed to flow?

[Starving Steve]

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China's coverage of Middle East politics ( on CCTV Ch.9 in English ) is very fair to Isreal, unlike BBC's coverage. So I would infer from CCTV's coverage that the Govn't of China does not favour the Islamo-fascist regime governing Iran now.

I think it may be fair to venture that China would love to see the regime of radical Islamic clerics running Iran now toppled. After all, an Iran with an A-bomb would be just as much of a threat to China as it would be to Isreal and the rest of the world, including America.

[Southernguy]

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China's coverage of Middle East politics ( on CCTV Ch.9 in English ) is very fair to Isreal, unlike BBC's coverage. So I would infer from CCTV's coverage that the Govn't of China does not favour the Islamo-fascist regime governing Iran now.

I think it may be fair to venture that China would love to see the regime of radical Islamic clerics running Iran now toppled. After all, an Iran with an A-bomb would be just as much of a threat to China as it would be to Isreal and the rest of the world, including America.

If history is some kind of guide, the only ones that DID throw atomic weapons at unarmed civilians...well everybody knows.
I find highly probable that Iran is really developing a nuclear arms programs.
Well I don´t know any example (please correct if I´m mistaken) of a nuclear power developing arms on the open. It´s been always a matter of the world awakening with the announcement of a nuclear explosion from new member of the club.
Israel, for one, is a very agressive militarized country which developed and certainly has a significant nuclear arsenal, though has never aknowledged.
As for Israel attacking Iran in preventive fashion, I find quite improbable.
They did it several times in the past, particularly with Iraq. At the time, Iraquis were anaware something of that kind was about to happen. Not the same as now. Iran is expecting such an attack.
But; who knows?

[D-Mack]

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If history is some kind of guide, the only ones that DID throw atomic weapons at unarmed civilians...well everybody knows.
I find highly probable that Iran is really developing a nuclear arms programs.
Well I don´t know any example (please correct if I´m mistaken) of a nuclear power developing arms on the open. It´s been always a matter of the world awakening with the announcement of a nuclear explosion from new member of the club.
Israel, for one, is a very agressive militarized country which developed and certainly has a significant nuclear arsenal, though has never aknowledged.
As for Israel attacking Iran in preventive fashion, I find quite improbable.
They did it several times in the past, particularly with Iraq. At the time, Iraquis were anaware something of that kind was about to happen. Not the same as now. Iran is expecting such an attack.
But; who knows?

Hey, no civilians...

The U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945. On Aug. 9, it dropped another on Nagasaki and President Harry Truman delivered a radio address in which he falsely claimed: "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians."
Audio and text are available.
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=1767

[don]

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It was a collateral damage event.

[ASH]

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If history is some kind of guide, the only ones that DID throw atomic weapons at unarmed civilians...well everybody knows.

At the risk of this thread devolving into "dueling WWII buffs", I think it is fair to note that mass civilian deaths by conventional incendiary bombing in WWII are not a lot different in character than the deaths in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Attacks on unarmed civilians were not confined to any one side in the conflict. The atomic bombs, as instruments of mass destruction, were perhaps a unique means. In my view, the horror of "total war" as a policy is more transfixing than the tools by which it is implemented.

[metalman]

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At the risk of this thread devolving into "dueling WWII buffs", I think it is fair to note that mass civilian deaths by conventional incendiary bombing in WWII are not a lot different in character than the deaths in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Attacks on unarmed civilians were not confined to any one side in the conflict. The atomic bombs, as instruments of mass destruction, were perhaps a unique means. In my view, the horror of "total war" is more transfixing than the tools.

let's not forget that it was our own president abe lincoln who invented the idea of the state bombarding unarmed civilians with explosive munitions.

and that today... 'it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than it is to control a million people'.

[rj1]

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let's not forget that it was our own president abe lincoln who invented the idea of the state bombarding unarmed civilians with explosive munitions.

Invented?

I'm fairly confident that's been done since the beginning of civilization some eight thousand years ago.

[metalman]

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Invented?

I'm fairly confident that's been done since the beginning of civilization some eight thousand years ago.

'explosive munitions'

didn't have them eight thousand years ago.

[Starving Steve]

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Bomber Harris of the British Army was so good at saturation fire-bombing in WWII that German cities were literally melted. The effects of such bombing were very similar to one atomic bomb per city.

But historians need remember that without such total war against the nazis, this Hitlerian-filth would still be running Europe, even now. So the likes of Bomber Harris heading Bomber Command on the Western Front and Joseph Stalin motivating the Red Army on the Eastern Front were exactly what was needed to win WWII.

Imagine how many would have perished in WWII if Japan wasn't nuked? That is the question revisionists need to answer. Until the nuking began, ten million died in China fighting the Japanese Army--- an Army allied with Adolf Hitler and the cause of fascism.

Take Arminishod and his fascists quite seriously; they mean exactly what they say. They will develop an atomic bomb and use it as soon as possible to launch their holy war.

Two weeks ago, the regime in Tehran promised mass executions of street protesters. They have since delivered on that promise. This regime keeps it word, and they mean exactly what they say.

[*T*]

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At the risk of this thread devolving into "dueling WWII buffs", I think it is fair to note that mass civilian deaths by conventional incendiary bombing in WWII are not a lot different in character than the deaths in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Attacks on unarmed civilians were not confined to any one side in the conflict. The atomic bombs, as instruments of mass destruction, were perhaps a unique means. In my view, the horror of "total war" as a policy is more transfixing than the tools by which it is implemented.

I think the horror arises because of the inherited mutations & cancers specific to radiation. Not only your generation, but all your descendants will suffer. This is more inhumane.

There is a separate argument that the Japanese were looking for a surrender anyway, and the main motivation for dropping two bombs was to test their effectiveness.

I visited Hiroshima. Today's weapons make that one look like a loud fart.