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  • Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

    Just to provide some color from the other side of the fence.

    However, here are some arguments why one should think twice before jumping in bed with gold bugs, or at least remain sober while determining gold’s weight in the portfolio .
    1. For investors (not speculators) it is very hard to own gold, because you cannot attach a logical value to it. Unlike stocks or bonds, gold has no cash flow and has a negative cost of carry – it costs you money to hold it. It is only worth what people perceive it to be worth right now. The argument I commonly hear is, “What about all those Enrons, Lehmans, Citigroups, etc. that either went bankrupt or got near it? What was the value of those?” If the lesson learned is not to own stocks but to own gold, it is the wrong lesson. The lesson should be: own companies you can analyze (the aforementioned companies were unanalyzable) and diversify – don’t put your all net worth into one stock.
    2. The gold ETF SPDR Gold Shares (GLD) is the seventh largest holder of physical gold in the world. If its holders decide to sell (or are forced to sell; think of hedge-fund liquidations), who will they sell it to? This is extremely important, as the presence of GLD changes the dynamics of the gold price, both to the upside and downside. If gold keeps climbing, the ease of buying will drive gold prices higher than in GLD’s absence. In the event of a significant sell-off, there are not enough natural buyers of physical gold. It is a bit like a roach motel – easy to get in, hard to get out.
    3. In the past, gold had a monopoly on the inflation and fear trade. Not anymore. Now you have competition from Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS), currency ETFs, short US Treasury ETFs, government guaranteed/insured FDIC checking accounts, etc. TIPS suffer from the flaw of the CPI being measured and reported by the US government, which has an inherent bias to understate inflation; returns of commodity ETFs are skewed by price differentials between financial derivatives and spot prices of underlying commodities; returns of leveraged ETFs diverge significantly over the intermediate and long run from the underlying index; FDIC reserves are being depleted with the every-Friday-night bank bailout (but believe you me, the US government will not let FDIC go bankrupt, even if it means it has to raise taxes and impose draconian fees on the banking sector).
    The bottom line here is this: none of these investment vehicles are perfect, in fact many have significant flaws; but despite their flaws they attract money away from gold, thus undermining gold’s monopoly on the fear/inflation/currency debasement trade. (I’ve discussed it in greater detail in my book).
    4. If, because of points 2 or 3 above, gold fails to perform as expected, the perception of what gold is worth may change dramatically.
    5. Over the last 200 years, gold was really not a good investment. It may have a day in the sun, but it may not. And the cost of being wrong is fairly high.
    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/09...the-gold-rush/

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    Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

    Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
    Just to provide some color from the other side of the fence.

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/09...the-gold-rush/
    Barry must have ripped up his insurance policy too

    Not only do you not get a return on investment 99% of the time, you HOPE you don't get a return on investment.

    You still buy it, though.

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      Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

      Haven't you read? Insurance is speculation now.

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      • #4
        Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

        1. Buy stocks. buy stocks. buy stocks. Preferably buy stocks with me.
        2. If not stocks, buy GLD. Buy GLD. Buy GLD. Buy GLD. Preferably through me. Gold bugs will tell you GLD would face tremendous logistical problems storing so much gold nor purchase it on the open market without drastically altering the physical market and clearly in their perspective state that they do not own or own very little gold, but shit who cares about the fine prints.
        3. If neither stock or GLD, buy craptastic financial instruments to give money to craptastic financial industry. Preferably through me. What you say all those CDS and MBS had fancy terms as defined cash flow and triple AAA value ratings that were easily valued? Minor details. Also buy my book. Buy my book buy my book buy my book.
        4. Because things could go up or down, don't blame me when i've lost all your money. Buy my book.
        5. I have my hand up my ass while writing this. I have no clue what i'm talking about. Dollar was never backed by gold. Gold for past thousands of years had no intrinsic worth. Can't trust your history cause i know my history. I need to wipe my ass now. Buy my book. Give me your money so i can wipe my ass with it.

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          Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

          "5. Over the last 200 years, gold was really not a good investment. It may have a day in the sun, but it may not. And the cost of being wrong is fairly high."

          Point five proves this article is full of crap. Gold vs. what over 200 years? USD? real estate? USD? Euro? Whale Blubber?

          A buy and hold investment in whale blubber processing plants 200 yrs ago would not be doing so well.

          Here is chart (not validated) of 200 year gold, interesting how it corresponds to the Reagan sell-off of America, FIRE economy, switch from capitalism to debt driven imperialism/fascism, inflationism - whatever you want to call it ect..

          http://www.cliffkule.com/2008/10/200...ice-chart.html

          The other side is that gold just got pumped and dump as I explained - Barrick hedge news getting suckers in over a thousand so some wall street trader (JPM) can book profits for 2009 year end bonus plans. Barrick is often the conduit for gold schemes.

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            Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

            5. Over the last 200 years, gold was really not a good investment. It may have a day in the sun, but it may not. And the cost of being wrong is fairly high.
            the 'day in sun' for gold here at itulip is going on 9 yrs now...

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            • #7
              Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

              LOL. We've been listening to this stuff for years. I used to live in London part-time in the middle part of this decade, and about once every 3 or 4 months the FT felt compelled to publish a disparaging article about gold and those who believed in it. I have a few of the choicer examples saved, but not in digital form. However, here's the intro from a commentary from 2004 by John Hathaway that should give a flavour of the times...and how little they have changed...

              May 10, 2004
              Interest Rates and "The Death of Gold"
              by John Hathaway


              According to the Financial Times, "the end of gold as an investment has come a little closer." The op-ed writer reached this conclusion in a 4/16/04 editorial as he pondered the significance of the withdrawal of NM Rothschild from gold dealings at the London Fix and the contemplation by Bank of France officials of reserve gold sales. The writer also counseled that "gold is now a rather risky investment with a nil or low return." Given that the global macro environment is now characterized by "low inflation" and that "independent inflation-targeting central banks are the norm", the risk is negligible that governments will debase the value of "fiat money" in pursuit of their policies....


              Last edited by GRG55; September 09, 2009, 11:30 PM.

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                Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                Just to provide some color from the other side of the fence.

                http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/09...the-gold-rush/
                My main two are:

                1) Gold profits can be taxed at whatever the gubmint wants.

                2) Physical gold can be stolen.

                And those two aren't a worry enough not to buy for me.

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                  Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                  Originally posted by Jay View Post
                  My main two are:

                  2) Physical gold can be stolen.
                  http://nevergetbusted.com/

                  some applicable techniques, I think.
                  Hidden compartments ...
                  comportment of the gold's owner when subject to inquisition ...


                  Good luck, godspeed & let's be careful out there.


                  oh, wait ... OK, maybe hire some real professional help, not Cooper
                  http://nallforgovernor.blogspot.com/...never-get.html

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                  • #10
                    Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                    Originally posted by Jay View Post
                    My main two are:

                    1) Gold profits can be taxed at whatever the gubmint wants.

                    2) Physical gold can be stolen.

                    And those two aren't a worry enough not to buy for me.
                    If you can figure out a way to avoid your wealth denominated in US $$$ from being "stolen" I definitely need to hear.:confused:

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                    • #11
                      Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                      Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                      2. The gold ETF SPDR Gold Shares (GLD) is the seventh largest holder of physical gold in the world. If its holders decide to sell (or are forced to sell; think of hedge-fund liquidations), who will they sell it to? This is extremely important, as the presence of GLD changes the dynamics of the gold price, both to the upside and downside. If gold keeps climbing, the ease of buying will drive gold prices higher than in GLD’s absence. In the event of a significant sell-off, there are not enough natural buyers of physical gold. It is a bit like a roach motel – easy to get in, hard to get out.
                      My main concern was about the point mentioned above. How much credibility do you guys attach to this assertion? Especially, since JPM is the largest (?) holder of GLD and the government can exert pressure on its banking buddies.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                        Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                        My main concern was about the point mentioned above. How much credibility do you guys attach to this assertion? Especially, since JPM is the largest (?) holder of GLD and the government can exert pressure on its banking buddies.
                        "how much credibility" -- somewhat less than zero ;)

                        I suspect that there would be no problem finding buyers if GLD had to sell gold. Buyers would include JPMorgan closing out (alledged) short positions in gold, China adding to its gold reserves and (I suspect; tin-foil-hat alert here) Saudi Arabia adding to its gold reserves and/or taking immediate delivery of gold to close out long contracts it might hold on future gold production.

                        Some would suggest that GLD doesn't even have enough actual, unleased, physical gold to match its current GLD holders, so some selling might require no more than closing out GLD's own essentially gold short positions. This suggestion might be affectively equivalent to the closing out of some of the alledged JPMorgan shorts above.

                        Indeed since the above events could benefit some rather powerful entities (JPMorgan, Saudi Arabia), some (such as this CynicalCow) have speculated that certain powers that be would gladly encourage another GLD drop just to provide an opportunity for the above events.
                        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                          how many people in your social circle own any Gold?

                          I bet NONE. Barry is great at talking about Gold's downside, but sounds to me like he ignores this one fact.

                          The other fact he's ignoring is, Central Bank Gold ownership is at historical lows. Private interests have been buying more Gold all the time and Central Banks have been divesting. If the CBs ever decide to get back some of that ....


                          The upside is far, Far, FAr, FaR, FAR larger than the downside.

                          Having said all that, in my current financial situation I have very little Gold myself. Had to sell of a lot of my investments earlier this year. I'm kicking myself for being in this situation, not being able to buy more. C'est la vie.

                          Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                          My main concern was about the point mentioned above. How much credibility do you guys attach to this assertion? Especially, since JPM is the largest (?) holder of GLD and the government can exert pressure on its banking buddies.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                            After rehashing these issues literally 100s of times over the past eight years, we got this idea to create a cheat sheet for our members to refer to. What do you think? Comments appreciated before we post to the front page.

                            Last edited by FRED; September 10, 2009, 09:23 PM.
                            Ed.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Five Reasons to Avoid the Gold Rush

                              I sent a few minor suggested edits to this Gold Cheat Sheet by private message to FRED. It reads well. Good work.
                              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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