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  • GaveKal says it's all roses -subprime problems are small

    found on Victor Niederhofer's site


    A Market Update, from GaveKal

    March 15, 2007

    After the brutal sell-off of the last two days, markets are now enjoying some much-needed respite. Last night, the S&P 500 gained +0.7%, while the NASDAQ added +0.9%. This positive momentum continued this morning, as the Topix is up +1.4%, the Hang Seng has added +0.8% and the Kospi is up +1.3%. Meanwhile, the Yen has weakened by -0.7% to ¥117.3/US$, as investors piled back into the carry-trade.

    And interestingly, yesterday, we saw a number of stories in the financial press about how exaggerated the subprime mortgage story has been (for an example, see this article in Forbes). In addition, Lehman Brothers, the second biggest US underwriter of mortgage-backed bonds, came out and stated that the risks posed by rising home-loan delinquencies are "well-contained", and that they will have little effect on the firm's earnings.

    What about additional risk to the housing market? As we see it, the most likely development is that vulture funds will eventually buy up mortgages on the cheap. Then they will probably sit on their collateral until they can sell it at a profit. They are unlikely to accelerate foreclosures for properties for two reasons. First, there is absolutely no bid for such properties at almost any price. Second, subprime loans are almost all second mortgages, which cannot foreclose without agreement of the first mortgage. It is hard to see why first mortgages would allow this to happen, since they would also lose money and face write-offs in forced sales. In any case, second mortgages are usually just 20% of the property value and almost every foreclosure would wipe this out immediately. Thus, subprime lenders who foreclose today would face immediate 100% write-offs. They (or their liquidators) would be better off selling the mortgages for 10 or 15 cents on the dollar to vulture funds which can afford to hold onto the paper for a few years, while house prices stabilise and recover.

    And aside from the stress on the relatively small subprime lending sector, economic fundamentals are still looking very decent. US overall mortgage applications rose by +2.8% to the highest level since early December (see chart); UK February unemployment fell by -3,800 to the lowest level in a year;

    China's retail sales rose by +14.7% YoY in the first two months of the year; Chinese industrial production accelerated to +18.5% YoY (expected +15.0%); and South Korean February unemployment fell to 3.2%, the lowest level in four years. On the market side, we note that the BDI has jumped +17% in 17 straight sessions of gains, hardly a sign of an impending global slowdown.

    Overall, we remain very optimistic on equities, especially since the last sell-off failed to break through the lows of the previous deluge. As we see it, this is a sign of strength by the markets and could very well prove to be an attractive buying opportunity.

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    Re: GaveKal says it's all roses -subprime problems are small

    gavekal's stuff is always thought provoking. they have been unremittingly bullish for some time. they scoff at those who say that record high profit margins must revert to the historical mean- they really, truly feel that this time is different. [see their book, our brave new world.] so it is not surprising that they have a bullish slant on subprime. i enjoy reading them because they make me think, but i am not convinced by their arguments. on the other hand they are rich and famous.

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    • #3
      Re: GaveKal says it's all roses -subprime problems are small

      Of course they are small compared to the flow of money CBs can create. OTOH, CBs don't want it to go back into housing bubble. They are micromanaging this liquidity - tighten the screws on the housing and other speculation, but add liquidity to the desirable sectors of economy.

      The only question is, where the commodity prices are going to be by the time we get over the housing troubles.

      m.
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        Re: GaveKal says it's all roses -subprime problems are small

        GaveKal and many others miss the real problem engendered by the subprime meltdown. It is true that the immediate effect of bad loans probably won't be a big deal in the grand scheme. The problem is that the sub prime and Alt a loan markets going forward will contract severely from an origination perspective. without the housing demand fueled, at the margin, by these markets many fewer new homes will get built, many fewer existing homes will get sold, many fewer helocs will be issued and many fewer cash out refi's will occur. In other words, the housing ATM has closed and the tertiary effects on consumer spending and jobs in the home construction complex will tip us into a recession. the 2002-2006 expansion was largely fueled by money borrowed on the back of real estate. With that gone going forward, where will consumers borrow the money to continue their spending binge?

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        • #5
          Re: GaveKal says it's all roses -subprime problems are small

          Respectfully disagree, guvnor.

          The biggest problem is not sub-prime at all, IMHO.

          I'm wondering about those prime borrowers who were lured into getting far too much house - much more house than they really should 'ave, based on sound lending practices.

          If the economy slows down and many of these are down-sized or right-sized of offshored or outsourced or whatever, sub-prime will be a good memory, and bankers will wistfully think - "oh, for the times that that small sliver called sub-prime was the worst of our problems".

          Originally posted by mikeboy
          GaveKal and many others miss the real problem engendered by the subprime meltdown. It is true that the immediate effect of bad loans probably won't be a big deal in the grand scheme. The problem is that the sub prime and Alt a loan markets going forward will contract severely from an origination perspective. without the housing demand fueled, at the margin, by these markets many fewer new homes will get built, many fewer existing homes will get sold, many fewer helocs will be issued and many fewer cash out refi's will occur. In other words, the housing ATM has closed and the tertiary effects on consumer spending and jobs in the home construction complex will tip us into a recession. the 2002-2006 expansion was largely fueled by money borrowed on the back of real estate. With that gone going forward, where will consumers borrow the money to continue their spending binge?
          Last edited by Spartacus; March 22, 2007, 09:13 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: GaveKal says it's all roses -subprime problems are small

            I don't think we disagree at all. You are merely pointing out another follow on problem-namely prime borrowers who over bought. as prices fall and underwriting gets tighter, even for prime borrowers, these people won't be making withdrawals from the housing ATm and may even face default.

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