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  • S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

    Fascinating chart on bloomberg.

    Basically the premise is that after adjusting for currency, we are 10 years into the bubble bursting (2000 was the peak).

    By Alexis Xydias

    Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks are behaving like Japanese equities in the 1990s, meaning the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index may return 40 percent in the next year, according to Bank of America Corp.

    The CHART OF THE DAY shows the Nikkei 225 Stock Average since 1980 and the S&P 500 during the past two decades, when adjusted for currencies. The Nikkei doubled between October 1998 and April 2000 in dollar terms, as the chart illustrates. The S&P 500 has risen 34 percent since March when the Dollar Index, a measure of the dollar against currencies in six major U.S. trading partners, is factored in.

    A “melt-up” rally in the U.S. may be triggered by central bankers keeping interest rates near record lows, an economic recovery or an undervalued dollar, Bank of America strategists wrote in an Aug. 26 report.

    “Even in economies overcoming credit booms, rallies can be powerful and last much longer than you think,” Bank of America’s Sadiq Currimbhoy, Arik Reiss and Jacky Tang wrote. Should the similarity between the U.S. and Japan persist, the S&P 500 will keep rising, partly because of gains in the dollar, the Hong Kong-based strategists said.

    “If there is one persistent similarity between Japan and the U.S., it is they both seem to be fighting a debt problem by producing more debt,” they added. “So, for equity investors, if these relationships were to repeat themselves, the risk for the U.S. market is that like Japan, the stock market ends up with big rallies and then sell-offs.”

    When adjusted for currencies, the Nikkei 225 peaked in December 1989, while the S&P 500 reached its high in September 2000. Following its jump through 2000, the Nikkei retreated three years. On the vertical axis of the Chart of the Day, 100 corresponds to the Japanese index’s record high.

    Make sure you click through and check out the chart:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aKzgH4hvhh.g

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    Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

    Make sure you click through and check out the chart:
    At first I was stuck, unable to "click through." The text of that bloomberg article states near the end "(To save a copy of this chart, click here.) " However there was no clickable link there.

    Then I noticed the two tabs near the top of the article frame, for STORY and GRAPHIC. Clicking on the GRAPHIC tab shows the chart just fine.
    Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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    • #3
      Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

      This chart comparing Japan and the U.S. can also be found, with discussion, starting at Post #6 of iTulip thread Dr. Marc Faber on Lateline Business - Aug. 26, 2009 (9min.).
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

        From a contrarian point of view, talk like this would only mean that the S&P is due for a collapse this winter.

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          Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

          On this site, a melt-up is the contrarian view, and I think the site is impoverished by Admin's removal of Lukester for advancing this view with perhaps a bit too much brio and vinegar.

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            Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

            Originally posted by Prazak View Post
            On this site, a melt-up is the contrarian view, and I think the site is impoverished by Admin's removal of Lukester for advancing this view with perhaps a bit too much brio and vinegar.
            They removed lukester... ? Geez.

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              Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

              Did they remove him? I thought he was just silently lurking and not accepting PMs.

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              • #8
                Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

                "after adjusting for currency" being the key words...

                the chart then suggests the US dollar will surge in the face of an slow S&P decline, slowed as overseas investors move into a safe haven.

                no matter what the US$-is-finished crowd says, history tells that the primary currency tends to grow stronger in the aftermath of a credit boom... the "scramble to cover" scenario.

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                  Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

                  Originally posted by bpr View Post
                  Did they remove him? I thought he was just silently lurking and not accepting PMs.
                  My understanding (and this from a discussion with the admins) was that he was removed although if he were willing to tone it down a bit he would be welcomed back.

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                    Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

                    Originally posted by bpr View Post
                    Did they remove him? I thought he was just silently lurking and not accepting PMs.
                    As best as I can tell, Lukester had a spell where his insights were presented with more anger and ad hominem attacks than is healthy for a forum such as this, and likely more than was healthy for Lukester himself, either. After some complaints, Lukester ceased posting. My presumption is that there was a discussion between Lukester and the iTulip management behind the scenes. Perhaps he was placed on probation or something and chose to move (at least his active presence) elsewhere. Many people have commented on his absence since then. He is missed. His last iTulip posts were on June 6, 2009.
                    Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                    • #11
                      Re: S&P 500 May Surge 40% in Duplication of Japan: Chart of the Day

                      Thanks for the info. He's been lurking, logged in, unless that's an artifact of the VB admins last week. His voice is, indeed, missed, and if he's reading I wish him good health and well being.

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