Another fine example of health care in America

[c1ue]

http://exiledonline.com/memphis-wher...low-americans/

But, that seems to be the only prideful action anywhere here or in the rest of the States from what I can tell. The sickly Jobs owned that house long enough for him to become a Tennessee resident where the waiting list for a liver transplant is 48 days compared to over 300 on average in the rest of the country. He needed that liver, and he needed it now; and there just aren’t enough organs available in the promised land of California where he made his billions. He had to cross over into the land of the desperate, delusional and impoverished – the South, a land so poor that it now gets manufacturing jobs that used to be outsourced to Mexico and the Pacific rim of Asia.

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Don’t get me wrong, there are some great medical facilities in Memphis, and there are even options for the uninsured (though I doubt a liver transplant would be one of them). But at the same hospital where Jobs got his transplant, I spent six hours waiting in the emergency room for a neck X-ray after a football injury last fall. Maybe if I was an oligarch I could have just bought an X-ray machine or, better yet, the non-herniated disks out of some plebe’s neck. He probably would have thanked me for the honor and apologized for the inconvenience.

Can't blame a guy for wanting to save his own life.

But then again, the option of buying a mansion in another state in order to shorten liver transplant wait time isn't something most people can do.

[don]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

Brings the catch phrase A Service Economy to another level. :eek:

[Master Shake]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

http://exiledonline.com/memphis-wher...low-americans/



Can't blame a guy for wanting to save his own life.

But then again, the option of buying a mansion in another state in order to shorten liver transplant wait time isn't something most people can do.

If he were in the UK, Canada, or any of the other health care paradises, he'd probably still be waiting.

[c1ue]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

If he were in the UK, Canada, or any of the other health care paradises, he'd probably still be waiting.

Fact or belief?

Canada:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/583223

In Canada, 526 adults died while waiting for a liver transplant between 1995 and 2004,^[1] and almost 18 000 adults who had been wait-listed in the USA between 1996 and 2005 also died.^[2]

Even given 1/10th the population, seems Canada is doing better.

UK:
http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/n...save_lives.jsp

Adults wait an average of 95 days for a liver transplant, while children wait an average of 76 days.

France/Europe:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ift...age&q=&f=false

So it seems rates of transplants are similar. But in the US, money talks in health care as it does in everything else.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

If he were in the UK, Canada, or any of the other health care paradises, he'd probably still be waiting.

You're mistaken.

[ricket]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

Fact or belief?

If he were in the UK, Canada, or any of the other health care paradises, he'd probably still be waiting.

Fact or belief?
Canada:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/583223

Even given 1/10th the population, seems Canada is doing better.

UK:
http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/n...save_lives.jsp

France/Europe:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ift...age&q=&f=false

So it seems rates of transplants are similar. But in the US, money talks in health care as it does in everything else.

PWND .

[don]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBa9K_vAm8

A comprehensive analysis of the finer points in the healthcare debate. :rolleyes:

[Spartacus]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

this seems to be the culprit for this one situation.

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_...oral_code.html

Fact or belief?

Canada:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/583223



Even given 1/10th the population, seems Canada is doing better.

UK:
http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/n...save_lives.jsp



France/Europe:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ift...age&q=&f=false

So it seems rates of transplants are similar. But in the US, money talks in health care as it does in everything else.

[ggirod]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

Here is another link to the liver transplant discussion. If you take the time to read it you find that reality neither fits on a placard nor comes from mouths of Faux News. Sadly, except for occasional elevations of discussion here and on some other sites, the truth about healthcare is drowned out by the chorus of bullhorns spouting talking points.

[Jim Nickerson]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

Yes, We Can Afford Health-Care Reform




By Simon Johnson and James Kwak
Tuesday, September 1, 2009; 8:29 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...s=rss_business

A QUOTE:

• Put another way, if you are for fiscal discipline, you should be for health-care reform. If our government cannot produce some kind of reform, that will only reinforce the perception that our political system is incapable of resolving our largest, most difficult problem -- and that is what will make investors think twice about investing in America.

[Munger]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

PWND .

That's ok MasterShake; I know you don't let facts prevent you from reiterating libertarian truisms ad infinitum.

[Spartacus]

Re: Another fine example of health care in America

both wrong and right

It might keep the little guy investor out,

BUT the big boys with tons of slush funds to throw around politically will be MORE attracted to doing business in the USA.

Yes, We Can Afford Health-Care Reform




By Simon Johnson and James Kwak
Tuesday, September 1, 2009; 8:29 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...s=rss_business

A QUOTE:

• Put another way, if you are for fiscal discipline, you should be for health-care reform. If our government cannot produce some kind of reform, that will only reinforce the perception that our political system is incapable of resolving our largest, most difficult problem -- and that is what will make investors think twice about investing in America.