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    Cogent analysis by Richard Heinberg



    Everyone agrees: our economy is sick. The inescapable symptoms include declines in consumer spending and consumer confidence, together with a contraction of international trade and available credit. Add a collapse in real estate values and carnage in the automotive and airline industries and the picture looks grim indeed.


    But why are both the U.S. economy and the larger global economy ailing? Among the mainstream media, world leaders, and America's economists-in-chief (Treasury Secretary Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke) there is near-unanimity of opinion: these recent troubles are primarily due to a combination of bad real estate loans and poor regulation of financial derivatives.

    This is the Conventional Diagnosis. If it is correct, then the treatment for our economic malady might logically include heavy doses of bailout money for beleaguered financial institutions, mortgage lenders, and car companies; better regulation of derivatives and futures markets; and stimulus programs to jumpstart consumer spending.

    But what if this diagnosis is fundamentally flawed? The metaphor needs no belaboring: we all know that tragedy can result from a doctor's misreading of symptoms, mistaking one disease for another.

    Something similar holds for our national and global economic infirmity. If we don't understand why the world's industrial and financial metabolism is seizing up, we are unlikely to apply the right medicine and could end up making matters much worse than they would otherwise be.

    To be sure: the Conventional Diagnosis is clearly at least partly right. The causal connections between subprime mortgage loans and the crises at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Lehman Brothers have been thoroughly explored and are well known. Clearly, over the past few years, speculative bubbles in real estate and the financial industry were blown up to colossal dimensions, and their bursting was inevitable. It is hard to disagree with the words of Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, in his July 25 essay in the Sydney Morning Herald: "The roots of the crisis lie in the preceding decade of excess. In it the world enjoyed an extraordinary boom...However, as we later learnt, the global boom was built in large part...on a house of cards. First, in many Western countries the boom was created on a pile of debt held by consumers, corporations and some governments. As the global financier George Soros put it: 'For 25 years [the West] has been consuming more than we have been producing...living beyond our means.'" (1)

    But is this as far as we need look to get to the root of the continuing global economic meltdown?

    A case can be made that dire events having to do with real estate, the derivatives markets, and the auto and airline industries were themselves merely symptoms of an even deeper, systemic dysfunction that spells the end of economic growth as we have known it.

    In short, I am suggesting an Alternative Diagnosis. This explanation for the economic crisis is not for the faint of heart because, if correct, it implies that the patient is far sicker than even the most pessimistic economists are telling us. But if it is correct, then by ignoring it we risk even greater peril.

    Whole piece: http://postcarbon.org/articles/recession_or_end_growth

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    Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

    Originally posted by KGW View Post
    Cogent analysis by Richard Heinberg
    Thanks for posting.

    Obviously this guy is an iTulip subscriber.

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      Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

      Originally posted by lsa420 View Post
      Thanks for posting.

      Obviously this guy is an iTulip subscriber.
      'Reduce Consumption : Produce Locally'

      yeh, we'll grow avocados and oranges here in new hampshire. duh.

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        Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

        Originally posted by metalman View Post
        'Reduce Consumption : Produce Locally'

        yeh, we'll grow avocados and oranges here in new hampshire. duh.

        This redefinition of growth and progress has already begun in some quarters, but for the most part has yet to be taken up by governments.
        Cabbages and carrots will be redefined to equal avocados and oranges.

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          Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

          Originally posted by metalman View Post
          'Reduce Consumption : Produce Locally'

          yeh, we'll grow avocados and oranges here in new hampshire. duh.
          Then you will do without, because it will be too expensive to grow them in a more suitable environment and then ship cross country. Such is the meaning of "lowered living standards".
          Every interest bearing loan is mathematically impossible to pay back.

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            Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

            Originally posted by unlucky View Post
            Cabbages and carrots will be redefined to equal avocados and oranges.
            To redefine - mechanism for which has been around for some time!

            ala Steve Keen: economic bunk 101:

            The "rational consumer" expresses no preference. Shoe horning subjective notions into "objective" science. :p

            Indifference curve

            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            In microeconomic theory, an indifference curve is a graph showing different bundles of goods, each measured as to quantity, between which a consumer is indifferent. That is, at each point on the curve, the consumer has no preference for one bundle over another. In other words, they are all equally preferred. One can equivalently refer to each point on the indifference curve as rendering the same level of utility (satisfaction) for the consumer.


            Figure 1: An example of an indifference map with three indifference curves represented


            A graph of indifference curves for an individual consumer associated with different utility levels is called an indifference map. Points yielding different utility levels
            Last edited by Diarmuid; August 26, 2009, 09:31 AM. Reason: clarifying comment
            "that each simple substance has relations which express all the others"

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              Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

              I don't have time to read through all that.

              Is he saying that cheap credit requires cheap oil for economic growth?

              :confused:

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              • #8
                Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                Originally posted by labasta View Post
                I don't have time to read through all that.

                Is he saying that cheap credit requires cheap oil for economic growth?

                :confused:
                I think he says that you need growing oil production to have economic growth. If oil peaks you still produce oil, but not at an increasing rate. So no economic growth.

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                  Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                  Originally posted by labasta View Post
                  I don't have time to read through all that.
                  ....

                  :confused:
                  Your loss.....

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                    Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                    Originally posted by KGW View Post
                    Cogent analysis by Richard Heinberg
                    I'll be interested in reading this in more depth when I have time this weekend but I found his contention interesting that the cost of oil in July 2008 toppled the over leveraged financial system. I think I've read similar ideas here, (iTulip members). I'll see if he supports this idea or it's just his opinion.

                    Admittedly it was a quick read but I didn't see any support for such statements as, "during the period from 2005 to 2008 energy stopped growing..." Maybe it's true but he should site his source(s). Also, he should be more clear with his language, does he mean energy production or use or both?

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                      Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                      "Produce locally" is about to get a huge boost.

                      It has not been practical to grow vegetables in your basement. This is about to change. And it will be cheap.

                      Previously, it was necessary to use really expensive lights that used many kilowatts of electricity per day in order to produce sufficiently bright light to grow leaf vegetables (lettuce, spinach) indoors. The lights produced a lot of heat, which is usually undesirable. Not very practical.

                      LEDs used to be expensive in part because they used a sapphire substrate, but they are now transitioning to metal-on-silicon substrate. An LED light bulb to replace an incandescent bulb cost $200 last year, now costs $30, and will cost $5 by around 2012.

                      One LED can produce one color of light, as is seen, for example, in LED Christmas lights.

                      Plants use only blue and red light; other colors have little effect and can be omitted.

                      Therefore, by using only blue and red LEDs, it is possible to make a lighting fixture now that costs about $100 and uses about 1 kilowatt per day (about 10 cents per day) that will allow you to grow about 5 square feet of leaf vegetables year round.
                      http://shop.sunshine-systems.com/pro...c?productId=10

                      This won't of course supply all your vegetables, and the nutrient content will be different, but you could produce at least the greens, pesticide free, and would have an easy time starting seedlings indoors for your vegetable garden.

                      Hmm, all those courses in plant physiology may actually pay off...

                      If you get your electricity from photovoltaics or other renewable, so much the better.

                      I expect this to be fairly popular once people learn how to do it, like vegetable gardening used to be. And I expect the LEDs to become much better and cheaper, making even growing tomatoes worth a try.

                      As a side note, I think this also means that the price of marijuana will collapse to nearly nothing. Users will just grow their own. The dealing and smuggling will go way down. I think it will be decriminalized.

                      Surprising unintended consequences of advances in LED technology, 100 fold cost reduction, and 90% energy use reduction.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                        I don't discount the peak oil thesis, and I am generally sympathetic to limits to growth over the long term. But what you will find with these Peak Oil author types like Heinberg and others at theoildrum.com, Kunstler, etc, and other 'progressive' author types is a near lack of any understanding of "the Greenspan bubble" and how what we are seeing now is more of a result of dot-com-bust reinflation polices and FIRE antics as discussed here at iTulip. Dollar debasement and capital flow just isn't on their radar. They are seeing what they want to see.

                        Gas prices what, doubled? Say I commute 30 miles a day to work and get 18mpg. 433 gallons a year. This guy is trying to say $2 gas going to $4 gas, or an extra ~$900/year broke my budget and collapsed the house of cards? Or was it more likely my teaser mortgage payment going from $1100/mo to $2500/mo??

                        Peak Oil is going to suck, but there are far more things going on that went into this mess.

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                          Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                          I think the article is really worth serious consideration. It is logically cohesive and basically is how I have framed my thinking for the last decade. We can discuss finance all day, but in the end, everything rests on cheap energy and cheap energy fueled growth. Oil was basically $20 a barrel for 20 years. We had the biggest boom the world has ever seen that lasted about 20 years. I think the first was necessary for the second. It is just as well that the oil shock last year helped prick the financial bubble before it became even more ridiculous.

                          A rule of thumb is that serious damage to the US economy starts at $70 a barrel; serious damage to the Japanese economy starts at about $140 a barrel (well, not including the collapse in exports). Japan has been in an energy efficiency panic for a long time. Japan Railways is replacing its commuter trains with regenerative braking trains that use half the energy. Indoor lighting is starting to transition to LEDs. They must know something is up because after decades of resistance, they have started to pay for oil directly in yen.

                          In other words, if you lived in Japan, it is pretty clear that there has been an energy efficiency panic that started with the first oil shocks in the 70s and never really ended. In fact, it is gaining in urgency.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                            It seems to me that the cheap oil is what allowed the house of cards to be built in the first place. It fed into expectations that growth would continue for at least the rest of our lives, so investments were made on that assumption.

                            One of my friends said in 1995 "Don't worry, the oil won't really start to run out until 2030." I looked at him and said "I'm sorry, I don't know about you, but I think I will still be alive..."

                            Look on the bright side: If someone was gonna burn up all the oil in a single lifetime, it is a good thing it was us. ;)

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                              Re: Temporary Recession or the End of Growth?

                              Originally posted by unlucky View Post
                              Cabbages and carrots will be redefined to equal avocados and oranges.

                              Goldman and JPM will have some vegetable swap derivatives to sell you.

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