Ben - 4 more years.

[Raz]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

This really pisses me off.

For the last year, Democrats have been trying to make nice with Republicans, most recently with healthcare. Did the Republican majority EVER reach across the aisle?

What a bunch of pansies.

This is the worst of it.

They've continued Bush's mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They've held onto his tax policies.

Now, they're going to keep Bernanke on as Chariman for an additional FOUR YEARS?

Just long enough to hand over the presidency?

How stupid can this party be? He's the perfect scapegoat.

I'm really speechless.

EDIT: So, when is Specter going to become a Republican again? We should start a pool.

Since 1996 I've been telling anyone who would listen that there is only 1 major political party: the RepubliCrat Party.

While they appeal to different voter blocks and special interest groups, they are both owned by the same group of banksters.
And while there are real differences in the idealogical outlook of their respective judicial appointees, the other differences are mostly smoke and mirrors.

Without a viable Third Party [of the Ron Paul persuasion] the ship of state will crash on the rocks - probably in less than a decade.

[D-Mack]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

You posted: "Killing is wrong, if it is state-sanctioned. Period."

So does this post mean killing the Taliban is wrong now? Killing the Hitlerite-filth in Europe during WWII was wrong?

Do you mean to tell me that the world can reason with Islamo-fascists?
--- that you can reason with Hamas and Hesbollah, Alcaide and the Islamic Republic of Iran?????????????????????????????????????

Yes, I was part of the anti-war movement in the 1960s, but certain wars are needed, just to survive, PERIOD. The Vietnam War was totally wrong and totally unnecessary, but the War on Terrorism now is absolutely necessary, whether we like war or not.

After what I see is going on now in Tehran ( i.e, the mass executions of anti-regime protesters this past week by the Govn't of Iran), war with Iran to clean-out the Islamo-fascists would be wonderful.

The world rids itself of fascists by exterminating them, PERIOD. End of story.

It was in a quote and said by Cindy Sheehan.

If we take the bible it says in the greek original , I believe
"You shall not murder" I don't know if Dr. King would make the distinction between killing and murder.

My point was, will there be such a movement like with King again? Who tried to bring the social justice and anti-war movement together.


I'm not even going into the defininitons of fascism or the origins of the GWOT/911

And it's not too late to sign up for the "necessary" war

Soldier, 59, is oldest U.S. service member to die in Afghanistan
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Vietnam veteran and Bronze Star recipient who volunteered to return to the Army and serve in Afghanistan became the oldest U.S. service member to die in combat there, the U.S. military announced Friday.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

What do you think the Taliban would do to Cindy Sheehan, or to you, as an appeaser? What do you think the Taliban would do to free-thinkers and liberals? What do you think the Taliban would do to women?

I notice now that Gaza is in rubble (sp?), and the remaining inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, those who now reside in the street, have softened their support for Hamas. I notice now that Hamas is taking a softer line toward war with Isreal. I also notice that the residents of the Gaza Strip are now killing the odd radical Islamic cleric.

As I said, "Give war a chance.";)

[D-Mack]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

What do you think the Taliban would do to Cindy Sheehan, or to you, as an appeaser? What do you think the Taliban would do to free-thinkers and liberals? What do you think the Taliban would do to women?

I notice now that Gaza is in rubble (sp?), and the remaining inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, those who now reside in the street, have soften their support for Hamas. I notice now that Hamas is taking a softer line toward war with Isreal. I also notice that the residents of the Gaza Strip are now killing the odd radical Islamic cleric.

As I said, "Give war a chance.";)

If the CIA hadn't created and supported Al Qaeda/ Taliban

or Israel hadn't done it with Hamas, everybody would be better off.

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Let's keep the history precise: RONALD REAGAN, the hero of the Republican Party, chose the short-sighted and absurd policy of sending U.S. military aid and comfort to the Taliban so that the Taliban could fight the Soviet Union in a festering guerilla war and actually win that guerilla war. And the drug dealing and opeum (sp?) poppy trade of the Taliban was purposefully ignored by Washington. The serious matter of the Taliban's alliances with Islamo-fascists worldwide was ignored.

Even the matter of the Taliban's alliance with the Islamo-fascists running Iran was ignored by Washington under RONALD REAGAN. It was as if Ronald Reagan and Ayatollah Hulmany (sp?) had worked-out a deal. (Witness the release of the U.S. hostages in Tehran on January 25th, 1981 when RONALD REAGAN became President.)

Anyway, back to Ben, the policy mistakes of Bernanke and Obama will come home to roost someday. For now, just precisely recording what they do and understanding their strange relationship with each other is all that we can do.

[jdv]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Since 1996 I've been telling anyone who would listen that there is only 1 major political party: the RepubliCrat Party.

While they appeal to different voter blocks and special interest groups, they are both owned by the same group of banksters.
And while there are real differences in the idealogical outlook of their respective judicial appointees, the other differences are mostly smoke and mirrors.

Without a viable Third Party [of the Ron Paul persuasion] the ship of state will crash on the rocks - probably in less than a decade.

+1 (Completely agree. Anyone still partisan misses this.)

[D-Mack]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Let's keep the history precise: RONALD REAGAN, the hero of the Republican Party, chose the short-sighted and absurd policy of sending U.S. military aid and comfort to the Taliban so that the Taliban could fight the Soviet Union in a festering guerilla war and actually win that guerilla war. And the drug dealing and opeum (sp?) poppy trade of the Taliban was purposefully ignored by Washington. The serious matter of the Taliban's alliances with Islamo-fascists worldwide was ignored.

Even the matter of the Taliban's alliance with the Islamo-fascists running Iran was ignored by Washington under RONALD REAGAN. It was as if Ronald Reagan and Ayatollah Hulmany (sp?) had worked-out a deal. (Witness the release of the U.S. hostages in Tehran on January 25th, 1981 when RONALD REAGAN became President.)

Anyway, back to Ben, the policy mistakes of Bernanke and Obama will come home to roost someday. For now, just precisely recording what they do and understanding their strange relationship with each other is all that we can do.

Why is Zbigniew not getting any credit ?

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

I will tell you, you know, there has been a lot of conversation about this. I have spent 30
years in the search for the elusive Iranian moderate. When Jessica and I were working together
under Dr. Brzezinski - I was with Zbig when he was at the 25th anniversary of the Algerian
revolution. And we got word that the Iranian leadership wanted to meet with him. This was
October 1979. And Zbig got permission to do this. So we met with the prime minister, defense
minister and foreign minister of the new Iranian revolutionary government. I think it was the first
senior-level meeting with the Iranian leadership since the revolution.

And Brzezinski laid it all out. He said we will sell you the weapons that we had contracted to
sell the shah. We will recognize your revolution. We will work with you because we have a
common enemy to your north, the Soviet Union. And he laid it all out in strategic terms for them.
They said give us the shah. It went back and forth like that for about two hours. And finally,
Brzezinski got up, turned to them and said, "to give you the shah would be a violation of our
national honor. " That ended the meeting. Three days later, they seized the embassy. And two
weeks later, all three of those guys were out of power. Thus began the American attempt to reach
out to the revolutionary regime in Iran.

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/fil...es_checked.pdf

They don't care as long as it suits their geopolitical goals

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

D-Mack, thank you for a very excellent post. I hope everyone visiting this site will read it.

You must be an historian.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Raz: My view is that we need to get fundamentalist religion OUT of government, out of politics, out of the media, and out of control of the U.S. public schools. And in the Middle East, my view-point is underscored: kick religion OUT, everywhere. Religion should only be to explain tourist attractions to world travelers, and that is all.

[Raz]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Raz: My view is that we need to get fundamentalist religion OUT of government, out of politics, out of the media, and out of control of the U.S. public schools. And in the Middle East, my view-point is underscored: kick religion OUT, everywhere. Religion should only be to explain tourist attractions to world travelers, and that is all.

And you are certainly entitled to you viewpoint.

But just what does that have to do with my retort to this foaming, insulting, ignoramus who posts NOTHING except ridicule and insults ("retards") and never offers any rational solution to anything? :confused:

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

And you are certainly entitled to you viewpoint.

But just what does that have to do with my retort to this foaming, insulting, ignoramus who posts NOTHING except ridicule and insults ("retards") and never offers any rational solution to anything? :confused:

I personally get upset with FOX News Network because they claim to be "fair and balanced", but they are not. They seem to broadcast to the rightwing exclusively.

The Federal Communications Commission (the FCC) in the U.S. used to have a policy requiring the news media be fair and balanced, and "to offer equal-time to differing points-of-view held by 'responsible spokesmen'". Somehow, during the era of de-regulation, that equal-time provision enforced by the FCC seems to have gone by the wayside.

Anyway, it's past mid-night in Alabama now, so go-to-bed. We will discuss this and other issues such as the release of the Lockarbie bomber in the morning. Good-night. ;)

[bpr]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Since 1996 I've been telling anyone who would listen that there is only 1 major political party: the RepubliCrat Party.

While they appeal to different voter blocks and special interest groups, they are both owned by the same group of banksters.
And while there are real differences in the idealogical outlook of their respective judicial appointees, the other differences are mostly smoke and mirrors.

Without a viable Third Party [of the Ron Paul persuasion] the ship of state will crash on the rocks - probably in less than a decade.

This is just proof of it.

It's as if the Democrats want to fail, since their financial benefactors are opposed to their rhetorical aims.

[Jay]

Re: Ben - 4 more years.

Damn, wake me up when the goat rodeo starts.