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  • #16
    Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

    Originally posted by babbittd View Post
    Incident reports are treated as gospel in "the system."

    If bad officers can get away scot-free with lying, than we have a serious justice problem.
    There are SERIOUS problems in the U.S. Constitution, one problem right after the other. For examples: no right to privacy, no right to own gold, no right to have prior contracts upheld in court, no right to healthcare, no right to equality, no linguistic rights, very few and rather unspecific rights of states in the U.S. to run their own affairs, no limit on the extra-territoriality of federal powers, no freedom from execution, no teachers' rights, no right to call an election in the Congress to dismiss the Administration, no freedom from military draft, few requirements of the Administration to answer to the Congress, no right of the people to draw-up initiatives, nor referendums, nor any right to recall public officals at the federal level of government (except by impeachment) on and on, and on and on, and on.

    And the form of government is so antiquated (sp?) that the govn't has become corrupt beyond belief. Having checks and balances was real nice in 18th C. theory, but in 21st C. practice, such a form of govn't has led to tremendous opportunities for hidden corruption, and for corruption on a scale beyond imagination.

    The powers of the President of the U.S. are rather undefined in the Constitution, so President Bush Jr. actually set-up a gulag much worse and much larger than anything Stalin could have imagined.

    We are now hearing about CIA prisons for Americans built in Romania, Morroco (sp?), and other countries as well. (Guantanamo Base in Cuba was just the tip of the iceberg.)

    So in America, stories about people being thrown into jail for possession of breath mints are no surprise. After all, there are prisons and jails every few miles in the U.S. now, everywhere. The government has been at war with its own people for years, especially under the Bush Administration.

    America now has 24% of the entire world's prison population. Nevertheless, Americans still think they are free.
    Last edited by Starving Steve; August 21, 2009, 04:05 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

      I've had the misfortune to be a witness twice in traffic cases. So I had to sit through 3 days of cases waiting to be called. I probably saw 40 or more traffic cases come up. DUIs and speeding mostly. A few accidents. The usual parade of losers in most cases. In every single case where it was the officer's word vs the defendant's, the judge sided with the officer. Every time! In most cases I felt the defendants where guilty as charged, but several times I thought , " No way the judge finds this guy guilty". I started noticing a pattern in the stories being told by arresting officers. They sounded too good at times. I came away thinking, " If I'm ever charged I'm screwed." You could sense a unwritten law that the judge won't rule against an officer unless you can prove he is lying. You could tell they are very well trained on how to present their side.

      One case was a buddy of mine. DUI. (He was probably guilty imo). Well the officer claimed he'd asked this guy if he had any physical reason he couldn't do the sobriety tests. The defendent claimed he'd told them his big toe was missing. The officer denied being told this. You should have seen that prosecutor leap up from her seat and object when my buddy tried to show the jury his missing toe( he'd lost it in a lawn mower accident). Hilarious.

      Well in the same case, it had snowed that day and the roads were icy. I remember because we almost cancelled our weekly poker game because of this. Well damned if those officers didn't sit there and claim there was no ice or snow on the roads that night! Which I knew was a bald faced lie. So I think they are willing to fudge the truth a bit if it helps them get a guy they feel is guilty. I don't think most are bad, they just get carried away trying to "win" some times. It is almost like a game to some of them.

      Ironically my buddy with the DUI was a former officer who quit the force years earlier because as he said, " I couldn't tell who were the crooks anymore".

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      • #18
        Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


        The policeman in that video clearly states that they are "allowed to lie ..."

        I guess it applies to being on the stand as well or rather with no limitations.

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        • #19
          Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

          http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...tting-suspect/

          A suspended Shafter police officer is facing felony assault charges after videotaping himself clubbing a prone suspect who didn't resist, officers said Wednesday.

          Matthew Kirk Shelton, 30, a 3 and 1/2 year veteran of the department -- and who was recently cleared in a fatal shooting of a woman -- will be arraigned Friday on charges of assault with a deadly weapon, assault by a peace officer and falsifying a report.

          The incident happened in January, but the victim never complained. It was an internal audit by the Shafter Police Department which brought it to light, Chief Charlie Fivecoat said.

          Shelton was carrying a TASER that's mounted with a camera. When the safety switch is flipped off, the camera starts videotaping, Fivecoat said. That camera caught an unwarranted beating on tape, he said.

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          • #20
            Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

            http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510208

            "Undermining what has long been considered as irrefutable proof in investigation of criminal cases, scientists announce that DNA evidence found at crime scenes can 'easily' be fabricated.

            A scientific company specialized in forensic DNA analysis revealed that while DNA fingerprinting is considered one of the leading forensic tools in dealing with criminal cases, DNA evidence can easily be falsified and planted at crime scenes prior to collection by law enforcement officers.

            According to the Tel Aviv-based life science company, Nucleix, a sample of DNA matching any profile can be constructed using basic equipment and access to DNA or a DNA profile in a database without obtaining any tissue from that person.

            'You can just engineer a crime scene,' said Dan Frumkin, lead author of the new study conducted by Nucleix and published by the journal Forensic Science International: Genetics. 'Any biology undergraduate could perform this.'"

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            • #21
              Re: Mexico Legalizes (Small Amounts) Drug Possession

              Originally posted by World Traveler View Post
              MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico enacted a controversial law on Thursday decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin and other drugs while encouraging government-financed treatment for drug dependency free of charge.
              Crazy socialists, treating drug addicts as if it is a medical condition or something. Next thing you know Mexico will legalize alcohol and the study of evolution.

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              • #22
                Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

                Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510208

                "Undermining what has long been considered as irrefutable proof in investigation of criminal cases, scientists announce that DNA evidence found at crime scenes can 'easily' be fabricated.

                A scientific company specialized in forensic DNA analysis revealed that while DNA fingerprinting is considered one of the leading forensic tools in dealing with criminal cases, DNA evidence can easily be falsified and planted at crime scenes prior to collection by law enforcement officers.

                According to the Tel Aviv-based life science company, Nucleix, a sample of DNA matching any profile can be constructed using basic equipment and access to DNA or a DNA profile in a database without obtaining any tissue from that person.

                'You can just engineer a crime scene,' said Dan Frumkin, lead author of the new study conducted by Nucleix and published by the journal Forensic Science International: Genetics. 'Any biology undergraduate could perform this.'"
                The defense lawyers are going to love this!:eek:

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                • #23
                  Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

                  Originally posted by t12357 View Post
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


                  The policeman in that video clearly states that they are "allowed to lie ..."

                  I guess it applies to being on the stand as well or rather with no limitations.
                  Police are allowed to lie to get a witness to confess. Lies like "your buddy just said you pulled the trigger" are permitted so that they can secure your confession. This doesn't extend to the stand!

                  Police are people too though, and they hate seeing people they believe are bad guys get away with crimes. To them it's both an issue of justice, and their hard work. Sometimes they've risked their life or seen a partner die or get injured to secure the person in question. So certainly just as a function of statistics, some must sometimes intentionally, and sometimes through memory recreation, say things on the stand that aren't accurate.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

                    yes, this is true, I have a friend former sherrif's officer. Since you deal with people who lie, cheat and steal all day, you begin to think everyone is that way. He got out to save his own soul.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

                      Originally posted by MarkL View Post
                      Police are allowed to lie to get a witness to confess. Lies like "your buddy just said you pulled the trigger" are permitted so that they can secure your confession. This doesn't extend to the stand!

                      Police are people too though, and they hate seeing people they believe are bad guys get away with crimes. To them it's both an issue of justice, and their hard work. Sometimes they've risked their life or seen a partner die or get injured to secure the person in question. So certainly just as a function of statistics, some must sometimes intentionally, and sometimes through memory recreation, say things on the stand that aren't accurate.

                      It seems they are allowed to lie as well to issue a "phantom" ticket and if you just "don't take it" then they are allowed to use brutality too:

                      http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...d_in_traf.html

                      Oh but I know, the poor guys are so stressed because every second their life is on the line so sometimes they may "snap," I feel sorry for them. Or perhaps is just a case of a "few bad apples."

                      Just imagine the wonders they will do with the latest models:

                      http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....aser-arc-1.jpg

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                      • #26
                        Re: Mexico Legalizes (Small Amounts) Drug Possession

                        Originally posted by MulaMan View Post
                        Crazy socialists, treating drug addicts as if it is a medical condition or something. Next thing you know Mexico will legalize alcohol and the study of evolution.
                        Why should drug possession be a crime? On legalization of small amounts of drugs for personal use, Mexico is to be commended.

                        As for alcohol, booze has always been legal in Mexico. I myself bought liquor in Ensenada, Baja California Norte in my youth.... As for evolution, the Catholic Church has no problem with the study of evolution nor with the teaching of evolution in biology. And Mexico has no problem with evolution.

                        The place where you might find problems with the teaching of evolution is in the USA, especially in the South. The Christian-right has made it impossible for teachers to teach much of anything except for phonics, archaic basic skills in long division, timed test-taking, penmanship, flag-worship, and their rightwing version of American history.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Mexico Legalizes (Small Amounts) Drug Possession

                          Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                          The place where you might find problems with the teaching of evolution is in the USA, especially in the South. The Christian-right has made it impossible for teachers to teach much of anything except for phonics, archaic basic skills in long division, timed test-taking, penmanship, flag-worship, and their rightwing version of American history.
                          My wife is a teacher in the public schools of a state in the Deep South.

                          You don't know what you are talking about.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Man Jailed Three Months for Breath Mint Possession

                            Originally posted by t12357 View Post
                            It seems they are allowed to lie as well to issue a "phantom" ticket and if you just "don't take it" then they are allowed to use brutality too:

                            http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...d_in_traf.html

                            Oh but I know, the poor guys are so stressed because every second their life is on the line so sometimes they may "snap," I feel sorry for them. Or perhaps is just a case of a "few bad apples."
                            There are 800,000 cops in the US, so it's not surprising that stories like this occur. We should absolutely not turn a blind eye to the abuse of authority, and from the video, it seems like this lady should win her case. We should also appreciate those officers and firefighters who do a professional job for relatively little pay.

                            I know I wouldn't want to be a police officer for $49k a year!

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                            • #29
                              Re: Mexico Legalizes (Small Amounts) Drug Possession

                              Originally posted by Raz View Post
                              My wife is a teacher in the public schools of a state in the Deep South.

                              You don't know what you are talking about.
                              Nobody listens to Starving Steve, Raz. He's about as misguided and as stable as the Unibomber.
                              "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                              • #30
                                Re: Mexico Legalizes (Small Amounts) Drug Possession

                                Originally posted by Raz View Post
                                My wife is a teacher in the public schools of a state in the Deep South.

                                You don't know what you are talking about.
                                I was a teacher in California for fourteen years. I think I know a bit about how teachers have been bullied-around by the Christian-right and how teachers have no voice in the public school curriculum that they have to teach.

                                And I think I now know, from experience as a teacher, what the terms: "accountable-education", "back-to-basics", "basic skills", and "English-only" really mean. These were the new terms, the coded messages, that the Christian-right used to communicate with each other and to take control of the public schools.

                                Now I know why kids are joining gangs in California and everywhere else.

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