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    On the Mat, Florida Wonders Which Way Is Up



    By DAMIEN CAVE

    MIAMI — The men trickling into a golf course clubhouse outside Fort Myers, Fla., had come to pray and study Bible verses that would help them become rugged, confident, adventurous. But their faces, reflected in the room’s frosted mirrors, showed only worry. More than half said they had been laid off, nearly all from jobs tied to real estate.

    “We need something different,” said Norman Baldie, 54, a real estate agent in Lehigh Acres. “This community is all bent out of shape.”

    Ever since the 1920s Florida has been cast as the place people go to escape contemplation, not to indulge in it. But in the past year, from Pensacola to Miami Beach, Floridians have been soul searching. And for good reason. The state’s decades-long binge on real estate has given way to empty homes in rich and poor neighborhoods alike. Hundreds of thousands of jobs have vanished, empty stores are everywhere and even golf courses are shutting down.

    Once again, Florida — where frugality gave way to indulgence after World War II, where the drug war took garish form, and where a divisive post-election recount in 2000 altered the country’s political direction — is magnifying a moment of national redefinition.

    “There is a psychological edge in being at ground zero in the bust,” said Carl Hiaasen, the well-known chronicler of Florida in newspaper columns and novels like “Strip Tease.” “There is a sense of we’re not going under, we’ve got to do something.”

    And yet if the Sunshine State is a larger-than-life reflection of where the country is heading, then the nation is still stuck, scared and uncertain of how far it wants to stray from the status quo. My travels through Florida make clear that — despite the urge to see recovery in improved housing sales — the costs of recent real estate mistakes continue to be severe.

    Change was often discussed during the 2008 election and after the financial meltdown, but Florida these days often resembles the character played by its native son Mickey Rourke in “The Wrestler”: a broken-down piece of meat, damaged and sincere, but a little too messed up to drop familiar habits.

    Real estate and fast money, after all, have defined this peninsula since the ’20s, when empty lots of swamp could be flipped for a profit between martinis. Florida has generally relied far more on growth than its counterparts: in 2004 and 2005, housing construction’s share of the state economy was close to twice the national average, according to the Bureau of Economic and Business Research at the University of Florida.

    Weaknesses in the approach emerged quietly, even before the bust, as overdevelopment and rising costs started pushing people away. Some were “halfbacks” — retirees originally from the North who ventured “halfway back” to Georgia or the Carolinas — but young families fled, too. In 2005, Broward County lost 1,756 students, in a district that thought nothing of adding 10,969 in 2001. Since 2004, enough parents have left to shrink the student body by 6 percent.

    “They tell me that when they moved in, it was different place,” said Stephanie Kraft, a member of the Broward County School Board. “They’re seeing it change, they’re seeing it go to hell and they’re abandoning it.”

    Real estate agents and builders maintain that the Florida Dream can be revived, without fundamental change. Gary Hunter, a state lobbyist for several large developers, said, “We still have sunshine, we still have the largest coastline in the United States, we still have no state income tax.” Echoing the view of builders, he said developers had in recent years only been responding to demand and had nothing to be sorry for.

    Still, it took Miami about eight years to recover from the building craze of the 1980s, said Andrea Heuson, a finance professor at the University of Miami. And the current collapse has affected more of the state.

    It is a mess of immense volume: In the first six months of this year, 268,064 properties in Florida received a foreclosure filing, up nearly 42 percent from the first half of 2008, making it the second worst state in total foreclosures nationwide behind California. And for those convinced that recent, positive sales figures signal a brisk recovery, consider this: foreclosures outpaced sales of houses and condos in the same period (99,010) by a factor of nearly three. If every home in Boston received a foreclosure notice, the total would still be less than Florida’s.

    Here in Miami — the city Norman Mailer described as “materialism baking in the sun” — looking up brings enlightenment. Nearly 23,000 new condominiums have been added downtown since 2003, and while sales have increased recently, many buildings still contain far more granite countertops than people.

    Reaction to these ghost worlds can be funny: “Depressionism: inexpensive art for tough times,” read a sign at an outdoor art fair on Lincoln Road, in Miami Beach. And it can be angry, like the spray-painted message in a half-built home in Lehigh Acres that said “Kill the rich.”

    Either way, it amounts to a wake-up call. “For a lot of people, Florida is a place for land scams and deals,” said Damon Shelor, president of the largest local citizens group in Lehigh Acres. “Well, we’ve got to get rid of that.”

    Mr. Shelor, an agriculture consultant and political independent, has given it his best shot by trying to create a cohesive community from little more than an amalgamation of homes. He pushed last year for Lehigh Acres to approve incorporation so the town of roughly 60,000 could hire a mayor, and its own police force. But voters shot it down. They feared higher taxes.

    Then, in February, Mr. Shelor and his neighbors wrote a letter to President Obama, asking for stimulus help when he visited the area to announce parts of his economic plan. There were rumors that he would visit.

    But the president never came. Lehigh Acres is still dominated by a main drag with shuttered construction companies, including one named “American Dream,” while the budget of its fire department may soon be cut by more than a third because of declining property tax revenue.

    Mr. Shelor and his neighbors say they want “industry” to save them, perhaps biotech or anything stable and disconnected from real estate. It is an emotional plea more than a proposal, echoing from Key West to Tallahassee.

    Gov. Charlie Crist acknowledged the problem in an interview: “Imagine a state where the dominant part of the economy is automobiles as it is in Michigan. That puts them in a difficult spot, just as real estate does for Florida.”

    Actually changing, as opposed to recognizing the problem, has been harder to do. Last month, Governor Crist, a Republican, signed a growth management bill that made it easier for builders to add new construction in more populated areas, without expanding roads or dealing with regional planning boards.

    He did this — arguing that it would help the economy — even though 300,000 residential units in Florida sat empty at the time, and 630,000 new ones are in the pipeline; even though a growing body of research from academics like Christopher Leinberger at the University of Michigan suggests that communities with looser land use regulations suffer more severe booms and busts.

    Mr. Hunter, the development lobbyist, praised the new law for directing growth away from rural areas, where the environmental costs are greater, but critics say its definition of “urban” is so broad that it creates a new incentive for suburban sprawl.

    Gary Mormino, a historian at the University of South Florida since the ’70s, said the state has yet to grasp its limits. “We’re going to have to think about new shifts in thinking,” he said, “new ways of urban living.”
    But for now, few see it happening. The federal stimulus plan has brought only $505 per person to Florida, which ranks last among the 50 states, according to an analysis by The Palm Beach Post.

    Meanwhile work, the real measure of recovery, keeps disappearing. Unemployment in Florida is now at 10.6 percent, nearly a full point higher than when President Obama visited in February.

    Mr. Hiaasen, who has treated the state to a mix of tenderness, satire and cynicism in his novels, said he doubted that the desire for change among many Floridians would ever be fulfilled — especially if a recovery lulls people back to complacency.

    “We need to do something bold, we need to do something radical,” he said, adding: “Everything is going to be O.K., but not if we do it the same way.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/we...wonders&st=cse

  • #2
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    don, Jim The Realtor said it better than anyone else: "there is nothing that the price won't fix".

    I say; save the fuel for POOM.

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    • #3
      Re: Thoughts From the Front: Florida RE

      Originally posted by don View Post
      On the Mat, Florida Wonders Which Way Is Up






      MIAMI — The men trickling into a golf course clubhouse outside Fort Myers, Fla., had come to pray and study Bible verses that would help them become rugged, confident, adventurous. But their faces, reflected in the room’s frosted mirrors, showed only worry. More than half said they had been laid off, nearly all from jobs tied to real estate.



      “We need something different,” said Norman Baldie, 54, a real estate agent in Lehigh Acres. “This community is all bent out of shape.”



      Ever since the 1920s Florida has been cast as the place people go to escape contemplation, not to indulge in it. But in the past year, from Pensacola to Miami Beach, Floridians have been soul searching. And for good reason. The state’s decades-long binge on real estate has given way to empty homes in rich and poor neighborhoods alike. Hundreds of thousands of jobs have vanished, empty stores are everywhere and even golf courses are shutting down.



      Once again, Florida — where frugality gave way to indulgence after World War II, where the drug war took garish form, and where a divisive post-election recount in 2000 altered the country’s political direction — is magnifying a moment of national redefinition.



      “There is a psychological edge in being at ground zero in the bust,” said Carl Hiaasen, the well-known chronicler of Florida in newspaper columns and novels like “Strip Tease.” “There is a sense of we’re not going under, we’ve got to do something.”



      And yet if the Sunshine State is a larger-than-life reflection of where the country is heading, then the nation is still stuck, scared and uncertain of how far it wants to stray from the status quo. My travels through Florida make clear that — despite the urge to see recovery in improved housing sales — the costs of recent real estate mistakes continue to be severe.



      Change was often discussed during the 2008 election and after the financial meltdown, but Florida these days often resembles the character played by its native son Mickey Rourke in “The Wrestler”: a broken-down piece of meat, damaged and sincere, but a little too messed up to drop familiar habits.



      Real estate and fast money, after all, have defined this peninsula since the ’20s, when empty lots of swamp could be flipped for a profit between martinis. Florida has generally relied far more on growth than its counterparts: in 2004 and 2005, housing construction’s share of the state economy was close to twice the national average, according to the Bureau of Economic and Business Research at the University of Florida.



      Weaknesses in the approach emerged quietly, even before the bust, as overdevelopment and rising costs started pushing people away. Some were “halfbacks” — retirees originally from the North who ventured “halfway back” to Georgia or the Carolinas — but young families fled, too. In 2005, Broward County lost 1,756 students, in a district that thought nothing of adding 10,969 in 2001. Since 2004, enough parents have left to shrink the student body by 6 percent.



      “They tell me that when they moved in, it was different place,” said Stephanie Kraft, a member of the Broward County School Board. “They’re seeing it change, they’re seeing it go to hell and they’re abandoning it.”



      Real estate agents and builders maintain that the Florida Dream can be revived, without fundamental change. Gary Hunter, a state lobbyist for several large developers, said, “We still have sunshine, we still have the largest coastline in the United States, we still have no state income tax.” Echoing the view of builders, he said developers had in recent years only been responding to demand and had nothing to be sorry for.



      Still, it took Miami about eight years to recover from the building craze of the 1980s, said Andrea Heuson, a finance professor at the University of Miami. And the current collapse has affected more of the state.



      It is a mess of immense volume: In the first six months of this year, 268,064 properties in Florida received a foreclosure filing, up nearly 42 percent from the first half of 2008, making it the second worst state in total foreclosures nationwide behind California. And for those convinced that recent, positive sales figures signal a brisk recovery, consider this: foreclosures outpaced sales of houses and condos in the same period (99,010) by a factor of nearly three. If every home in Boston received a foreclosure notice, the total would still be less than Florida’s.



      Here in Miami — the city Norman Mailer described as “materialism baking in the sun” — looking up brings enlightenment. Nearly 23,000 new condominiums have been added downtown since 2003, and while sales have increased recently, many buildings still contain far more granite countertops than people.



      Reaction to these ghost worlds can be funny: “Depressionism: inexpensive art for tough times,” read a sign at an outdoor art fair on Lincoln Road, in Miami Beach. And it can be angry, like the spray-painted message in a half-built home in Lehigh Acres that said “Kill the rich.”



      Either way, it amounts to a wake-up call. “For a lot of people, Florida is a place for land scams and deals,” said Damon Shelor, president of the largest local citizens group in Lehigh Acres. “Well, we’ve got to get rid of that.”



      Mr. Shelor, an agriculture consultant and political independent, has given it his best shot by trying to create a cohesive community from little more than an amalgamation of homes. He pushed last year for Lehigh Acres to approve incorporation so the town of roughly 60,000 could hire a mayor, and its own police force. But voters shot it down. They feared higher taxes.



      Then, in February, Mr. Shelor and his neighbors wrote a letter to President Obama, asking for stimulus help when he visited the area to announce parts of his economic plan. There were rumors that he would visit.



      But the president never came. Lehigh Acres is still dominated by a main drag with shuttered construction companies, including one named “American Dream,” while the budget of its fire department may soon be cut by more than a third because of declining property tax revenue.



      Mr. Shelor and his neighbors say they want “industry” to save them, perhaps biotech or anything stable and disconnected from real estate. It is an emotional plea more than a proposal, echoing from Key West to Tallahassee.



      Gov. Charlie Crist acknowledged the problem in an interview: “Imagine a state where the dominant part of the economy is automobiles as it is in Michigan. That puts them in a difficult spot, just as real estate does for Florida.”



      Actually changing, as opposed to recognizing the problem, has been harder to do. Last month, Governor Crist, a Republican, signed a growth management bill that made it easier for builders to add new construction in more populated areas, without expanding roads or dealing with regional planning boards.



      He did this — arguing that it would help the economy — even though 300,000 residential units in Florida sat empty at the time, and 630,000 new ones are in the pipeline; even though a growing body of research from academics like Christopher Leinberger at the University of Michigan suggests that communities with looser land use regulations suffer more severe booms and busts.



      Mr. Hunter, the development lobbyist, praised the new law for directing growth away from rural areas, where the environmental costs are greater, but critics say its definition of “urban” is so broad that it creates a new incentive for suburban sprawl.



      Gary Mormino, a historian at the University of South Florida since the ’70s, said the state has yet to grasp its limits. “We’re going to have to think about new shifts in thinking,” he said, “new ways of urban living.”


      But for now, few see it happening. The federal stimulus plan has brought only $505 per person to Florida, which ranks last among the 50 states, according to an analysis by The Palm Beach Post.



      Meanwhile work, the real measure of recovery, keeps disappearing. Unemployment in Florida is now at 10.6 percent, nearly a full point higher than when President Obama visited in February.



      Mr. Hiaasen, who has treated the state to a mix of tenderness, satire and cynicism in his novels, said he doubted that the desire for change among many Floridians would ever be fulfilled — especially if a recovery lulls people back to complacency.



      “We need to do something bold, we need to do something radical,” he said, adding: “Everything is going to be O.K., but not if we do it the same way.”




      Hey I live in this Hell Hole and your Point is?

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      • #4
        Re: Thoughts From the Front: Florida RE

        I think one of the takeaways is Gov. Crist is a model of political courage by agreeing to help builders who want to build.:confused::p:rolleyes:

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        • #5
          Re: Thoughts From the Front: Florida RE

          who could have known?

          Dancing, Booze, and Overpriced Houses

          The housing bubble is reaching absurd, bacchanalian heights, which can only mean one thing: it's getting ready to collapse.

          ericjanszen [iTulip, Inc.] | POSTED: 06.01.05 @00:11 (Originally posted on AlwaysOn Network)

          MIAMI, May 22—In the last month alone, you could salsa with dancers in fringed hot pants at Aqua, hear a drag queen D.J. at Cynergi or watch stunt men ricochet off a trampoline at Soleil.

          Nightclubs? No. Carnival acts? Not quite.

          These were launch parties for condominium projects, one of the stranger forms of nightlife in a city obsessed with real estate. Alcohol and music were abundant, but so were sales agents and brochures with statements like, "It is the impeccable aesthetic of textures and calming shades—limestone and blue marble—that further distinguish these voluminous spaces."
          —Salsa Dancers and Stunt Men? Must Be a Miami Condo Project, The New York Times (registration required)

          There are times when I write this column that I feel like a Bible-thumping Evangelist of Doom, tromping back and forth across the blogosphere with an "End Is Near" placard strapped to my virtual ass. Never thought I'd see the day that I'd preach the evils of alcohol, dancing, and music to round out the role, but in the current instance, parties for condo sales are getting my attention. They signal that something is ready to happen, and it's not the Second Coming. Seven years of bubble-watching and research suggest that boozy condo celebrations mark the beginning of the end of the housing bubble.

          Sober analysts tell us that the current bubble system not only encourages the financially disciplined among us to eschew ascetic tendencies to save now and party later, it actually makes partying our duty as citizens of the Bubble Cycle system:

          "Bretton Woods II, by linking mercantilist emerging market countries, notably China, into a de facto monetary union with the United States, represents a positive shock to global aggregate supply relative to global aggregate demand. Consequently, it is America's global civic duty to live beyond its means. And it is the Federal Reserve's global civic duty to facilitate American hedonism, because in the face of a positive structural shock to global aggregate supply, notably labor, American hedonism is not inflationary."
          —Fundamentals In Technical Drag Are Still Fundamentals, PIMCO

          Students of asset bubbles will note that the dominance of perverse market incentives is a reliable asset bubble indicator. If you've been reading my analyses since November 1998, you know that the last time I called a bubble top was on March 6, 2000, when I warned about the 1990s stock market bubble, saying that "We're almost there..." This was followed by the April 5 piece, "A Bear Market is Born."

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          • #6
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            Hey Rabot10, have you taken the free boat tour?

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by rabot10 View Post
              Hey I live in this Hell Hole and your Point is?
              Here's one.

              Did you really have to quote the entire original post?

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              • #8
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                The Florida economy was pretty much a three legged stool: Tourism, agriculture and development. Try as we did, we only had modest success attracting corporate headquarters and high tech. It is doggedly difficult to attract top talent to Florida. (That is, top talent that wants to work. Lots of wealthy, educated residents but here only to retire or take sabbatical)

                Over the past few years, agriculture took a hit with hurricanes, citrus diseases, high cost of land. Interestingly, ag. is coming back because lots of developers sitting on huge tracts are returning them back to ag. A friend who owns a crop dusting firm is busier than ever. Lots of farms coming back on line.

                Tourism is barely hanging in there but only in small pockets. Theme parks in Orlando, cruise ships and beach destinations. Traffic down and spending down so they are hanging in there but only barely.

                Development: Forget about it! Every day, another retail establishment/restaurant closes down. The surplus in commercial properties grows by the day. That along with the residential overhang will require 20 years to see any significant growth and development again.
                Greg

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                • #9
                  Re: Thoughts From the Front: Florida RE

                  Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                  Here's one.

                  Did you really have to quote the entire original post?
                  Perhaps you could be more instructive with your comments. Many of the newbies around here, including myself, would benefit from a tutorial on how to properly use the functions available on iTulip. For example, there are three buttons for posting a response: the first will quote the whole post and the last will not quote anything. I've never been able to get the second button to do anything. I'm sure that you could explain it's use or, at the very least, point us less experienced iTulipers in the right direction.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Thoughts From the Front: Florida RE

                    Originally posted by BiscayneSunrise View Post
                    The Florida economy was pretty much a three legged stool: Tourism, agriculture and development. Try as we did, we only had modest success attracting corporate headquarters and high tech. It is doggedly difficult to attract top talent to Florida. (That is, top talent that wants to work. Lots of wealthy, educated residents but here only to retire or take sabbatical)

                    Over the past few years, agriculture took a hit with hurricanes, citrus diseases, high cost of land. Interestingly, ag. is coming back because lots of developers sitting on huge tracts are returning them back to ag. A friend who owns a crop dusting firm is busier than ever. Lots of farms coming back on line.

                    Tourism is barely hanging in there but only in small pockets. Theme parks in Orlando, cruise ships and beach destinations. Traffic down and spending down so they are hanging in there but only barely.

                    Development: Forget about it! Every day, another retail establishment/restaurant closes down. The surplus in commercial properties grows by the day. That along with the residential overhang will require 20 years to see any significant growth and development again.

                    As a native of Miami, a graduate of the Univ. of Miami (Bachelors) and the University of Florida (Masters) and a real estate developer there for 25 years, I completely agree.

                    I am saddened when trying to reconcile my childhood memories of what an absolutely beautiful place South Florida was growing up there in the 1960's- 1980's. Biscayne Sunrise, I am not sure how old you are, but there was a wonderful Zoo on Key Biscayne when I was a child that was surreal and fantastic. Imagine roars of lions and elephants 50 yards from the beach!

                    I recall when the Miami Seaquarium had wood bleachers and one pen with two porpoises in it that were the actual two used for the filming of Flipper. The set was still there and was in active use.

                    A the south end of South beach, now where you can buy a steak at Smith and Wollensky and be surrounded by empty condo towers, was the Miami Beach Dog track. The only beachfront dog track in the world with a billion dollar view of the Atlantic Ocean.

                    How Miami was allowed to grow without strict zoning and design review has always been a very sore point for me. It could have been the most beautiful city in the US if local politics were different.

                    I am afraid that what has transpired now will plunge it deeper into despair and I think 20 years is far too optimistic for a recovery.

                    I was so sad to move out of Florida 1.5 years ago, but I feared for the safety of my family as I saw the deterioration accelerating.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by dummass View Post
                      Perhaps you could be more instructive with your comments
                      Press the quote button and using the mouse or the keyboard, delete the the part (s) of the post you're responding that need not to be re-posted.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                        Press the quote button and using the mouse or the keyboard, delete the the part (s) of the post you're responding that need not to be re-posted.
                        Thank you babbittd, To be clear, are you saying that the second key, the one with ( " ) the quote symbol, rather than the key that says (Quote), has no purpose? Wouldn't it be easier to select only that part of the quote one wants to include, rather than first quoting the whole post and then deleting the part one does not wish to include.

                        On the subject of shortcuts, I recently discovered the Display Modes function. This key is helpful when reading very long threads, like ICM's "First Alert...". By using Linear Mode, you will have the option of going to the last unread post. Prior to discovering this option, I would have to scroll through all the previous post.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by dummass View Post
                          Thank you babbittd, To be clear, are you saying that the second key, the one with ( " ) the quote symbol, rather than the key that says (Quote), has no purpose?
                          Aha - I figured out the purpose of that second (") key.

                          Go to one reply in a thread and click on that apparently useless key, so that it turns red.

                          Then go to a second reply on that thread and try to reply by clicking on the first button that says "Quote" on it.

                          Then notice that both of these two replies are quoted in your reply.

                          That second (") key is the multiquote key, for quoting more than one reply in your reply.
                          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                            Aha - I figured out the purpose of that second (") key... the multiquote key, for quoting more than one reply in your reply.
                            Thanks Cow, I've seen this done by more experienced users in the past and often wondered how they did it.

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              “Depressionism: inexpensive art for tough times,” read a sign at an outdoor art fair on Lincoln Road, in Miami Beach. And it can be angry, like the spray-painted message in a half-built home in Lehigh Acres that said “Kill the rich.”
                              likely never before nor probably rarely if at all since will lehigh acres ever have been mentioned in the same paragraph as miami beach. i take it as measure of the enormity of this hopefully only once in a lifetime or two event which apparently allows opportunity to create such unifying theory of sunshine state properties.

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