Americans taking up arms against their government

[ironlady]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/...OOzjDcDjd0fNdF

I don't know if this was already posted, but

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.
"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

[audrey_girl]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/...OOzjDcDjd0fNdF

I don't know if this was already posted, but

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.
"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

- I am no fan of any militia or violence of any kind - violence solves nothing - but that said -

- I think maybe a better headline would be Americans are taking up arms in fear of an increasing militarized and fascist acting government that doesn't even respect its own laws:

http://www.progressive.org/wx081209b.html


"This request has already occasioned a dispute with the nation’s governors. And it raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878"


"That section gives the President the sole discretion to designate an event as an “emergency” or a “major disaster.” Both are “in the determination of the President” alone."


"But the definition of “emergency” is vague: “Emergency means any occasion or instance for which, in the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.”

[occdude]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

As long as the government behaves itself, they have nothing to worry about, right? After all, who has time or the inclination to start a war against their own government unless things are way off kilter. The right to bear arms is not so people can go skeet shooting. It's meant as the final safeguard against government or anyother type of tyranny.

I think this rise in militias is about the SHTF and the TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) crowd seeing a gun grabbing government with an impending economic crises and taking precautions.

[sunskyfan]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

We all talk about "the government" like it is something separate. It isn't. It is US. The same guns that can be used to defend can be used as a method of force to take away.

The challenge is to keep the peace during a time when people are coming to the realization that they don't have as much as they thought they did. The challenge is to keep the peace when there are a thousand jack-asses out there waiting to to tell them how "wronged" they are instead of the courage to tell them how stupid they have been.

The 2nd amendment was and is clearly a hedge against tyranny but it is not a license to practice it whether implicitly or explicitly.

I fear the tyranny of the idiot much more than I fear the tyranny of the government. With Bush we had both. Which do you think is more likely in the current situation?

[audrey_girl]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

We all talk about "the government" like it is something separate. It isn't. It is US. The same guns that can be used to defend can be used as a method of force to take away.

The challenge is to keep the peace during a time when people are coming to the realization that they don't have as much as they thought they did. The challenge is to keep the peace when there are a thousand jack-asses out there waiting to to tell them how "wronged" they are instead of the courage to tell them how stupid they have been.

The 2nd amendment was and is clearly a hedge against tyranny but it is not a license to practice it whether implicitly or explicitly.

I fear the tyranny of the idiot much more than I fear the tyranny of the government. With Bush we had both. Which do you think is more likely in the current situation?

yes - you are very much correct on this point (imho) - but to get up on a Saturday morning and read an article like this in the Progressive (of all places) is rather startling to say the least

[runlikehe11]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

If the government is not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear..Right ,:rolleyes:

[Quincy K]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

That "spark" will be the failure of not extending UE benefits. That is the mistake that the USG cannot afford to make.

People just fail to grasp how violent this Country will be at 25 percent U-6.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

We all talk about "the government" like it is something separate. It isn't. It is US. The same guns that can be used to defend can be used as a method of force to take away.

The challenge is to keep the peace during a time when people are coming to the realization that they don't have as much as they thought they did. The challenge is to keep the peace when there are a thousand jack-asses out there waiting to to tell them how "wronged" they are instead of the courage to tell them how stupid they have been.

The 2nd amendment was and is clearly a hedge against tyranny but it is not a license to practice it whether implicitly or explicitly.

I fear the tyranny of the idiot much more than I fear the tyranny of the government. With Bush we had both. Which do you think is more likely in the current situation?

Thank you for an excellent post. I agree with your post, too.

[sunskyfan]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

I agree with the concern of the gravity of re-deployment of troops into the US. But, the question that we have to ask is what is proportional? You can't talk about economic collapse and not be prepared for it. You can't talk about epidemics and not be prepared for them.

What I find fascinating is that it is 10 months since the Alan Greenspan, the most important economist of our times, acknowledged that there is a fundamental flaw in the fundamental premise of our economic system and almost no one wants to acknowledge the problem nor deal with it. The consequences are monumental. We are still walking around in denial. 400,000 may not be enough if you want to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[Mega]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

Goverment will do something dumb, then over react.......:-

Watts
Rodny King Riots
Etc.
Mike

[Mega]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

Yes, its going to be "Fun":-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOzQQ...eature=related

Normal people killing normal people...........rather than a strike on Wall St!
Mike

[Starving Steve]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

I have no problem with the peoples' right to bear arms, in fact that right is invaluable in safeguarding the people against a Hitler in America, or wherever.

What I do NOT like is gun-toting, gun-flaunting, guns in purses, guns in clothes, hand-guns being brought into big cities like New York City, guns being brought to public meetings, guns in office buildings, etc. I also do NOT like hand-gun sales in big cities, especially cities over-run with crime and drive-by shootings.

Also, hunting makes no sense at all to me unless someone is truly starving and needs food. Why kill animals?

One good thing about East Sooke, BC: the animals run the place. The big bears walk around on two legs, just like people. Cougars sleep at my door-step. And under my deck, sometimes a racoon makes its den, depending upon the weather.... The animals like the peace. The people like the animals. It's great living, for everyone.

[0tr]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

...
I fear the tyranny of the idiot much more than I fear the tyranny of the government. With Bush we had both. Which do you think is more likely in the current situation?

Wasn't it de Tocqueville who said something about tyranny of the majority? The tyranny of the manipulated majority seems to be what develops.

"The new boss is the same as the old boss. ...
The hypnotized never lie....
etc
and so I pick up my guitar and play."

[audrey_girl]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

I have no problem with the peoples' right to bear arms, in fact that right is invaluable in safeguarding the people against a Hitler in America, or wherever.

What I do NOT like is gun-toting, gun-flaunting, guns in purses, guns in clothes, hand-guns being brought into big cities like New York City, guns being brought to public meetings, guns in office buildings, etc. I also do NOT like hand-gun sales in big cities, especially cities over-run with crime and drive-by shootings.

Also, hunting makes no sense at all to me unless someone is truly starving and needs food. Why kill animals?

One good thing about East Sooke, BC: the animals run the place. The big bears walk around on two legs, just like people. Cougars sleep at my door-step. And under my deck, sometimes a racoon makes its den, depending upon the weather.... The animals like the peace. The people like the animals. It's great living, for everyone.

Audrey and I are sooooo jealous

you must have been a very good person in a former life to be so lucky

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Americans taking up arms against their government

but to ...read an article like this in the Progressive (of all places) is rather startling to say the least

I've always believed that a good left-wing liberal should be both well-armed and a good shot, though few who describe themselves that way seem to
agree with me.