Chevy Volt.....Another LIE!

[GRG55]

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...You won't believe BC until you live there and experience it. Cross-over from Alberta to BC, or from Washington to BC...

Hey Steve: How about that Harmonised Sales Tax that was on the front page of your weekend Province? [I like to slip across the border every now and then, and check up on how crazy things really are out your way ].

You and VancouverGoinUp should do lunch or something. You could neutralize each other out...:cool:

[GRG55]

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Sounds like a good car for short trips in tight cities. But short-term rental services such as Zipcar are still going to more practical for a lot of those potential customers.

This is a solid writeup:

I only read the excerpts - not the whole article - so they may have covered some of this...

At highway speeds the Volt simply won't go 40 miles on its batteries only.

As any high school physics student can tell us, the parasitic drag increases as the square of velocity...and the work required to overcome drag increases as the cube of velocity. There is a huge difference between running around at 30 mph vs 70 mph.

I would be astonished if, at constant highway speeds, the "small" gasoline engine can do anything more than charge the batteries at about the same rate as they are being depleted. That means that the Volt will have to be plugged in at just about every available opportunity.

[ThePythonicCow]

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As any high school physics student can tell us, the parasitic drag increases as the square of velocity...

It has been a while since you attended high school, hasn't it ?

[charliebrown]

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just saw a show on pbs with Phil Ponce, 4 experts talking about the volt. what a bunch of suck ups. The volt is going to save us all and gm. only a passing few comments on how it costs 40k to produce. oh dont worry it qualifies for a $7500 gvt rebate. which still leaves it at 33k. im not buying one. what is the reliability? what is the longevity. unknown at this point. by the way 1 million vehicles at a 7500 rebate is 7.5B. Oh well if numbers dont have a 'T' for trillion its a rounding error in gvt finance. no one mentioned that the power grid or our electrical generation capacity cant charge a million cars at night. if i dont live in the suburbs with a garage with power where am i going to plug the darn thing in.

Currently I can buy a focus for 15k. 18k left over, at today's prices that 6000 gallons of gas. That will go a long way.

[flintlock]

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Saw the car featured on "Good Morning America" this morning. Same thing, "going to save America", blah, blah, blah. Frankly, for the type of driving this car will excel at, you'd be better off with a pedal car. I'd like to see it chugging up and down the streets of San Francisco.

[seanm123]

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It is estimated to take take 10 kilowats to fully charge the 400 lb lithium ion battery pack so the Volt can go 40 miles. Even if its 20 cents per kilowat hour that only costs about $2 for a car to go 40 miles.

[flintlock]

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I'm just interested in the current draw on the charge. What I'm getting at is how much is this going to impact the grid when a million cars come home and charge up all at once? I have no idea. Would it be similar to what a golf cart charger consumes? How long does it take to charge these cars? If these car chargers are pulling much current, I can tell you now that most home's garages will need an upgrade.

[Starving Steve]

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I would not give the Province of BC a chance to sucker the public into any more taxation schemes, regardless of what they promise. I don't like that bunch running the Province, especially their Hell's Angels supporters over in Vancouver who swung the recent election in favour of Gordon Campbell and the BC Liberals.

[MarkL]

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This is Borosilicate glass from the first waste vitrification plant in UK in the 1960s. This block contains material chemically identical to high-level waste from reprocessing. A piece this size would contain the total high-level waste arising from the nuclear electricity generation for one person throughout a normal lifetime.

Now the source of this is: http://www.world-nuclear.org/education/wast.htm and like all news sources they have a perspective. But still. Let's pretend they're off by a factor of 10X or 100X!

Compare this to the 20 tons PER YEAR that American's pump into the atmosphere we all breath!



Which would you rather have... that little ball of dangerous waste buried under a mountain in the center of your country, or 1600 TONS of stuff pumped into the atmosphere over your lifetime that you know you, your family, and your friends are all going to breath and that you taste every time you take a breath in any city, and causes cancer, asthma, global warming, etc?

Shucks... we do more damage to the environment from the oil that LEAKS from our cars than this sphere will do buried in a mountain.

Yes, transportation needs to be done carefully. If a spill were to occur due to a train wreck, it would take a special team and an evacuation of a few blocks to correct it... but we transport chemicals that are far more dangerous than these spheres every day in America(and have chemical spills that we deal with!).

No, theft for the purposes of building a nuclear bomb isn't possible.

Now, this does include the waste going through "reprocessing", but this is a known technology which many countries are doing 100% today and that we do for 60% of our waste. Unlike "Clean Carbon" this is not a hypothetical technology that may or may not come into existence.

On a waste basis, Nuclear wins by a mile in my book.

[Andreuccio]

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It has been a while since you attended high school, hasn't it ?

He only said they could tell you. He didn't claim they would understand it.

[MarkL]

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It's sad, but Toyota has this technology in spades over GM. Whoever said (in an earlier post) that Japan had learned not to do initial R&D was wrong. Comparatively speaking, they've done an excellent job at developing this tech. Maybe it's the USAs turn to steal from the Japanese and improve upon it!

[seanm123]

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Read the Book Gomorrah, the low level waste can be mixed with Portland cement and used to build your home.;)

Most concerns center around Plutonium and have for many decades. It simply is too dangerous to leave laying around for thousands of years. Immobilizing it in glass or ceramic will only make it a water resistant paper weight but in the wrong hands it still can be melted down and reprocessed.

There are lots of unique plans to dispose of it in subduction zones where it will slowly be drawn down into the Earth's mantle over the eons or shooting it into space, but right now there is no plan other than to leave it in your backyard.

Here is a current article to highlight the dilemma, according to the latest plans (which have been revised 400 times) the Nuke Waste from the Manhattan Project will finally be cleaned up by the year 2047, a full century
after the waste was created!

Back in reality there are no real concrete plans to get rid if this stuff only decades or more delays and untold billions wasted on projects like Yucca Mountain which is now closed down.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...isposal&st=cse

[hayekvindicated]

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Peak Oil won't be the problem that everyone assumes it will be. Even after Peak Oil, transportation will run on fossil fuels - this will be the substitute. There is more of this stuff than all other energy sources combined. We won't run out of this stuff for a few centuries yet.

[Starving Steve]

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Read the Book Gomorrah, the low level waste can be mixed with Portland cement and used to build your home.;)

Most concerns center around Plutonium and have for many decades. It simply is too dangerous leave laying around for thousands of years. Immobilizing it in glass or ceramic will only make it a water resistant paper weight but in the wrong hands it still can be melted down and reprocessed.

There are lots of unique plans to dispose of it in subduction zones where it will slowly be drawn down into the Earth's mantle over the eons or shooting it into space, but right now there is no plan other than to leave it in your backyard.

Here is a current article to highlight the dilemma, according to the latest plans (which have been revised 400 times) the Nuke Waste from the Manhattan Project will finally be cleaned up by the year 2047, a full century
after the waste was created!

Back in reality there are no real concrete plans to get rid if this stuff only decades or more delays and untold billions wasted on projects like Yucca Mountain which is now closed down.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...isposal&st=cse

The low-level nuclear waste that has million or billion year half-lives is completely safe, even safe to eat. ALL LIVING-THINGS ON THIS PLANET REPAIR CELL DAMAGE DONE BY RADIATION, providing the radiation is low-level. Low level radiation means LONG HALF-LIVES.

If you are upset about radiation, don't eat bananas and don't live on top of granite rocks. Don't order granite counters for your kitchen.

As for the danger of Islamo-fascists getting hold of plutonium in-cased in the portland cement of buildings or homes, that danger is absolutely ZERO......... ZERO. NIL.
ZIPPO. NOTHING. NON-EXISTENT. THE BIG GOOSE-EGG. LAUGHABLE. A DANGER THAT EXISTS ONLY IN A POT-HEAD's DREAMWORLD.

Even better, bury the cement blocks in a mountain.

But the best plan to get rid of low-level atomic waste is to dump it into ocean trenches. That was the original plan from the 1950s, and it remains the BEST PLAN. Our parents' generation knew best, and that generation accomplished things for this world..... Our generation went to pot.

The 11th Century Islamo-fascists with ships dredging ocean trenches for a cement block or glass ball paper weight with low-level Plutonium inside it????????? Pass the pot.

Have a nice day.

[Rekutyn]

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Plug that GM Volt into an outlet in British Columbia. Your monthly electric bill from BC Hydro would be frameable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BC where you can run faster than you can legally drive, and BC where the pot plants grow tall. But come visit us to see for yourself.

http://www.eastsooke.com/

You're complaining about BC Hydro? I pay twice as much as you do just south of the 49th parallel via Puget Sound Energy.