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  • China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

    Time to dump Rio Tinto??

    This whole leaking of state secret incident can't be so simple, I would say that China is implicitly threatening persecution for local steel executives to force them not to import from Rio Tinto. If you deal with Rio Tinto, you might be implicated and the consequences is:

    The Criminal Procedure Law also classifies all evidence in state secrets trials as confidential and requires judges to hold trials behind closed doors. Under China’s Criminal Law, state secret convictions can range from a minimum prison term of five years to the death penalty.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_8522702.htm

    China may run with Brazil ore

    By Zhang Qi (China Daily)
    Updated: 2009-08-05 07:51

    Chinese steel mills would prefer to import more iron ore from Brazil rather than Australia after the detention of four Shanghai-based employees of multinational miner Rio Tinto on charges of commercial espionage, according to data specialist ASXMarine.

    Spot iron ore vessel bookings from Brazil to China surged to a record 39 in July, from 24 in the previous month, Reuters quoted the data from ASXMarine.

    China may run with Brazil ore
    China's main ports received 56.5 million tons of iron ore in July. [CFP]

    Vessel bookings from Australia's main iron ore ports to China dropped to 31, down from 40 compared to the previous month and the lowest reading since February after the Rio Tinto scandal.

    Chinese steelmakers have begun to hold their imports from Australian miners and are switching to Brazilian ore instead, domestic ports have witnessed.

    Zang Dongsheng, deputy general manger of Rizhao Port Group, China's largest iron ore port which accounts for a fifth of the country's iron ore deliveries, said some of his customers have reduced their orders from Australia and turned to Brazil. But the exact figures would be available only in September as shipments from Brazil and Australia would be delayed by one or two months.

    China's main ports received 56.5 million tons of iron ore in July, up 35 percent from the same period last year, the Ministry of Transport said yesterday.

    Iron ore imports rose 29.3 percent year on year, to 297 million tons, in the first half of this year, while traders imported 131 million tons, up 90.4 percent from last year.

    The China Iron and Steel Association (CISA) said last Friday that excess iron ore imports had distorted the demand-supply situation and hampered its position at negotiations with global miners on new long-term benchmark prices.

    It also said foreign iron ore suppliers promoted massive selling on the cash market, leading to huge stockpiles and urged to limit import licenses.

    However, the iron ore import figures in July reflected orders in May as it takes more than a month to deliver ore from Australia and Brazil, said Zang from Rizhao port.

    China may run with Brazil ore

    Chinese steel mills started to reduce orders ever since CISA rejected the 33-percent cut offered by miners in May and held out for more discount, he said.

    China News Service reported yesterday that CISA halted talks because iron ore spot prices have been "seriously distorted", citing a statement issued by the association.

    However, no such statement could be found on the association's website, and its official surnamed Wang said the report was not true and talks were ongoing.

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    Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

    Rio T is in Brazil - Hi Corumbá.
    BHP biliton is in Brazil. The Two are best of friends (Bum Buddies)
    Rio and BHP own the system and China HATES IT.
    Still there are the Gnome's of Zurich (Xstrata) who are waiting in the wings.
    They need it, we got and they hate it.
    Its called market domination. Highly illegal (i mean skewed) but very profitable.
    End of lesson

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    • #3
      Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

      Originally posted by thunderdownunder View Post
      Rio T is in Brazil - Hi Corumbá.
      BHP biliton is in Brazil. The Two are best of friends (Bum Buddies)
      Rio and BHP own the system and China HATES IT.
      Still there are the Gnome's of Zurich (Xstrata) who are waiting in the wings.
      They need it, we got and they hate it.
      Its called market domination. Highly illegal (i mean skewed) but very profitable.
      End of lesson

      You'll be surprised how the Chinese can deal with it. Chinese jails are not holiday camps like american or any western country jail. Chinese jails for political prisoners are like prisoner of war camps.


      http://shanghaiist.com/2008/02/22/ching_cheong_ma.php

      Ching Cheong, the chief China correspondent of the Singapore-based Straits Times that was jailed in China for supposed espionage but freed recently, has made his first statements after his well-deserved rest. He lost more than 30 pounds (13.6 kilograms) during the more than 1,000 days that he was in prison. Here are Ching Cheong's quotes, compiled from various news sources quoted below:
      My body clock was turned upside down and (the investigators) applied mental stress so you voluntarily succumbed to them... I began to lose confidence, lose hope, and had low self-esteem. When you are in such a situation, the downward spiral begins to kick in and the end result is to commit suicide...
      Before



      After 3 years in a chinese jail.

      Last edited by touchring; August 08, 2009, 07:27 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

        Journalists and political prisoners are one thing, but China hasn't (as far as I know) taken that step with non-Chinese business folks until now. Now one man's thank-you gift may be another man's bribe, and state secrets can be whatever the state says they are; still, it seems pretty dicey for them to risk a backlash from the world business community. On some level they have the upper hand, after all, they are the big dog consumer, and if things go bad enough Rio and BHP are just the owners of a bunch of rocks and holes. Like EJ is pointing out, though, they also have to keep their own folks busy, and I haven't seen the signs that they are ready to do without the rest of the world yet. It sounds like the whole story is a calculated move in the hardball negotiations.
        "Lost time is not found again"

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        • #5
          Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

          Originally posted by touchring View Post
          You'll be surprised how the Chinese can deal with it. Chinese jails are not holiday camps like american or any western country jail. Chinese jails for political prisoners are like prisoner of war camps.


          http://shanghaiist.com/2008/02/22/ching_cheong_ma.php

          Before



          After 3 years in a chinese jail.

          he actually looks fitter after the jail! losing some pounds of excessive fat can do wonders to your health! says the commie jail warden.

          according to the china side, they have lost 700 billion yuan in iron price manipulation in the last few years. shouldn't be surprised that they are using every available tactics to break this monopoly.

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          • #6
            Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

            deleted duplicated posting.
            Last edited by skyson; August 09, 2009, 09:29 AM. Reason: deleted duplicated posting.

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            • #7
              Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

              australia... canary in the usa/china economic mad coal mine...
              Never underestimate the importance of geopolitics. (This also explains the mystery of why we have cultivated relationships with economic thought leaders in Australia. Australia is the economic and political canary in the coal mine, stuck between Asia and the US. Our sources have told us that the Australian government has already received ultimatums from both Chinese and US representatives: pick our side. The timing of these ultimatums, and Bush's recent visit, may indicate imminent change.)

              Kudos for Eric Janszen
              aug 31, 2007
              more questions for fallows...

              is economic mad breaking down?
              if so, how far does it go?
              consequences? :eek::eek:

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              • #8
                Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                Originally posted by skyson View Post
                he actually looks fitter after the jail! losing some pounds of excessive fat can do wonders to your health! says the commie jail warden.

                according to the china side, they have lost 700 billion yuan in iron price manipulation in the last few years. shouldn't be surprised that they are using every available tactics to break this monopoly.


                there will be a show to watch soon. if china is all out to trash the price of iron ore, it might have implications for other commodities and shipping stocks.

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                • #9
                  Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                  Originally posted by metalman View Post
                  australia... canary in the usa/china economic mad coal mine...


                  more questions for fallows...

                  is economic mad breaking down?
                  if so, how far does it go?
                  consequences? :eek::eek:
                  wow, metalman seems to have everything in his head. a living index of iTulip!

                  this Rio Tino case is a high stake business negotiation maneuver involving high level government politics. i don't believe it is to the level of geopolitics, or the starting of economic MAD. for that kind of stuff, you will need to look into australia's ever changing attitude regarding their role in the ANZUS Treaty when involving conflicts with china, such as currently the sourth china sea territorial conflict(china vs. south-east asian countries), and in the past the tension between sides of taiwan straight(at present it is calming down now to the dismay of US).

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                  • #10
                    Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                    Originally posted by skyson View Post
                    wow, metalman seems to have everything in his head. a living index of iTulip!

                    this Rio Tino case is a high stake business negotiation maneuver involving high level government politics. i don't believe it is to the level of geopolitics, or the starting of economic MAD. for that kind of stuff, you will need to look into australia's ever changing attitude regarding their role in the ANZUS Treaty when involving conflicts with china, such as currently the sourth china sea territorial conflict(china vs. south-east asian countries), and in the past the tension between sides of taiwan straight(at present it is calming down now to the dismay of US).
                    i'm not smart enough... sorry to disappoint. but... google is your friend...

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                    • #11
                      Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                      Originally posted by metalman View Post
                      i'm not smart enough... sorry to disappoint. but... google is your friend...
                      but still, finding and collecting something relevant and useful is an integrate part of high intelligence...

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                      • #12
                        Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                        Originally posted by skyson View Post
                        but still, finding and collecting something relevant and useful is an integrate part of high intelligence...
                        aw, shucks...

                        here's how i do it... it's a trick!

                        i read a comment. then... 'that reminds me of... then i google around for it. other stuff comes up. to find this, i remember reading many articles here where ej talks about australia as a 'canary in the coal mine'. so google 'site:itulip.com australia canary coal mine' and here ya go!

                        it's google that's intelligent, not me. promise!

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                        • #13
                          Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                          Originally posted by metalman View Post
                          aw, shucks...

                          here's how i do it... it's a trick!

                          i read a comment. then... 'that reminds me of... then i google around for it. other stuff comes up. to find this, i remember reading many articles here where ej talks about australia as a 'canary in the coal mine'. so google 'site:itulip.com australia canary coal mine' and here ya go!

                          it's google that's intelligent, not me. promise!
                          i am sure every one here will benefit from this trick. thanks for this insight straight from the mouth of a "canary in the data mine". ;)

                          google is not intelligent. it is a mere pawn shop of stolen digital intelligence.

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                          • #14
                            Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                            Originally posted by skyson View Post
                            i am sure every one here will benefit from this trick. thanks for this insight straight from the mouth of a "canary in the data mine". ;)

                            google is not intelligent. it is a mere pawn shop of stolen digital intelligence.
                            fyi, if you run across this...

                            https://cromland.itulip.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=1943

                            no idea wtf it is... edit the https to http.

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                            • #15
                              Re: China is going to teach Rio Tinto a lesson.

                              This China/Rio Tinto stuff is a little weird.

                              Sounds to me like some government official got scammed or screwed up and so is trying to lay blame on Rio Tinto.

                              I have a hard time seeing this as geo political / etc. China does not help itself out one iota freaking out current and potential commodity partners.

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