For the America Doomers

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[flintlock]

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Interesting. I've always thought the breakup of America into countries more manageable in size would be the best option. We are becoming like the Balkans. With people living as neighbors but with contempt for different political philosophies simmering just under the surface. It will never happen, but I think it would be the best result of the four given.

[Roughneck]

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Look at a map of the red and blue states. The blue which contains the largest population centers only contols a small portion(geographically) of the country. Populated mostly by urban minorities many of which do not contribue to the system but live offf of it. How long will 2/3 of the country which controls most of the resources allow itself to be governed by a small geographic minority? Especially when they are taking the country down a road many do not want to go. Not to far fetched.

[sadsack]

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Then there's Vonnegut's (now retro) vision a la Slaughterhouse Five, where the US is broken up by the UN into smaller states because the larger Union is more troublesome for the ROW to deal with . . .

[leegs]

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Look at a map of the red and blue states. The blue which contains the largest population centers only contols a small portion(geographically) of the country. Populated mostly by urban minorities many of which do not contribue to the system but live offf of it. How long will 2/3 of the country which controls most of the resources allow itself to be governed by a small geographic minority? Especially when they are taking the country down a road many do not want to go. Not to far fetched.

Am I to infer from your comment that you are seeing things in terms of Blue vs Red, urban vs rural, etc. ? Many of your other comments here seem more insightful than that.

One of the primary takeaways for me from reading iTulip and other sources that have opened my eyes regarding the deficiencies of our government and financial systems is the near irrelevance of the distinctions between Democrats vs Republicans in the scheme of things. 95% of the 'policy differences' between the two parties are just theater. And I think distinctions between urban vs rural are even less relevant in America.

[gnk]

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Look at a map of the red and blue states. The blue which contains the largest population centers only contols a small portion(geographically) of the country. Populated mostly by urban minorities many of which do not contribue to the system but live offf of it. How long will 2/3 of the country which controls most of the resources allow itself to be governed by a small geographic minority? Especially when they are taking the country down a road many do not want to go. Not to far fetched.

Populated mostly by urban minorities? I take issue with your "mostly" characterization. I'm guessing you don't work for the US Census. By a large extent, the blue that you see loses federal tax dollars while most of the red receives a net gain. The irony, of course, is that the "red states" hate redistribution, but all the while, profit from it the most.

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

http://www.sodahead.com/blog/48274/r...pply-the-feed/

So who really lives off the system?

[WildspitzE]

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Interesting. I've always thought the breakup of America into countries more manageable in size would be the best option.

Agreed, they're called states. Each one with their own constitution, laws, and...Oh wait! that's what we used to have. Damn

That was (and still is to some extent) one of the big differences between the US and every other republic/democracy. Power ebbed from the individual to the state to the federal level. Everywhere else the Federal supersedes the whole lot.

We are becoming like the Balkans. With people living as neighbors but with contempt for different political philosophies simmering just under the surface. It will never happen, but I think it would be the best result of the four given.

The source of much of this contempt is the Federalization of the US. You have people with different beliefs, ideas, dreams, lifestyles, etc that are now being mandated into agreeing with a national consensus. Also, people get frustrated because it's much harder to affect change when now it must be done at a national level.

I kind of liked the original idea where states not only compete on an economic level, but in the realm of ideas.

[jdv]

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Look at a map of the red and blue states. The blue which contains the largest population centers only contols a small portion(geographically) of the country. Populated mostly by urban minorities many of which do not contribue to the system but live offf of it. How long will 2/3 of the country which controls most of the resources allow itself to be governed by a small geographic minority? Especially when they are taking the country down a road many do not want to go. Not to far fetched.

Alabama's & Mississippi's everywhere! That's the solution to our problems!

[lsa420]

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Alabama's & Mississippi's everywhere! That's the solution to our problems!

Having lived in both states, I can assure you that is not the solution;)

[Rekutyn]

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Populated mostly by urban minorities? I take issue with your "mostly" characterization. I'm guessing you don't work for the US Census. By a large extent, the blue that you see loses federal tax dollars while most of the red receives a net gain. The irony, of course, is that the "red states" hate redistribution, but all the while, profit from it the most
....
So who really lives off the system?

I would have to guess that's because of farm subsidies.

[c1ue]

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Certainly the 'red' states in total receive more than their share of government taxes.

Then again, I guarantee they pay more than their share of FIRE rents...

[tsetsefly]

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Am I to infer from your comment that you are seeing things in terms of Blue vs Red, urban vs rural, etc. ? Many of your other comments here seem more insightful than that.

One of the primary takeaways for me from reading iTulip and other sources that have opened my eyes regarding the deficiencies of our government and financial systems is the near irrelevance of the distinctions between Democrats vs Republicans in the scheme of things. 95% of the 'policy differences' between the two parties are just theater. And I think distinctions between urban vs rural are even less relevant in America.

Agree, I no longer make a distinction between republican and democrat as there really is none...

[bpr]

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http://www.slate.com/id/2223962/pagenum/all/

Slate running a series on "How is America going to end". Happy to see the liberal press jumping on the end of America bandwagon.

This cements it for me: the old system is going to do just fine, quite likely better.

[kartius919]

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Disinformation.

[flintlock]

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Agreed, they're called states. Each one with their own constitution, laws, and...Oh wait! that's what we used to have. Damn

That was (and still is to some extent) one of the big differences between the US and every other republic/democracy. Power ebbed from the individual to the state to the federal level. Everywhere else the Federal supersedes the whole lot.



The source of much of this contempt is the Federalization of the US. You have people with different beliefs, ideas, dreams, lifestyles, etc that are now being mandated into agreeing with a national consensus. Also, people get frustrated because it's much harder to affect change when now it must be done at a national level.

I kind of liked the original idea where states not only compete on an economic level, but in the realm of ideas.

I agree. States used to be somewhat independent. Now they may have a different building code, or taxes may be different, but they are basically forced into being the same by the all powerful Federal Government.

Federal law tries to force us all into thinking exactly the same, and frankly, living the same. Yugoslavia tried this and it didn't work out so well.