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    July 26, 2009
    When Debtors Decide to Default

    By DAVID STREITFELD

    Melissa Birks is being stalked. Her cellphone keeps ringing, always from a caller marked “unknown.” She says she knows it is her credit card company wondering why she stopped making payments. Ms. Birks, who owes $28,830, has nothing to say.

    Those on the front lines of the debt industry say there is a small but increasingly noticeable group of strapped consumers who, like Ms. Birks, are deciding they will simply stop paying. After loading up on debt eagerly provided by the card companies during the boom times, these people now find themselves trapped in an endless cycle where they are charged interest on interest and fees upon fees while the lenders get government bailouts.

    They are upset — at the unyielding banks and often at their free-spending selves — and are pre-emptively defaulting. They could continue to pay for a while longer but instead are walking away. “You reach a point where you embrace the darkness of default,” said Adam Levin, chairman of the financial products Web site Credit.com.

    The lending industry term for these people is “ruthless defaulters.” In a miserable economy where paychecks, savings and expectations are all diminished, their numbers will surely grow.

    “They’ve done the math on their account and they’re very angry,” said Corey Calabrese, a Fordham Law student who is an administrator of the school’s walk-in clinic for debtors at Manhattan Civil Court. Public sentiment is on their side, she added: “For the first time, Americans are no longer blaming the borrower but are looking at the credit card companies.”

    (That’s certainly true in the mortgage crisis. According to a Quinnipiac University poll in February, 62 percent of those polled blamed lenders “who loaned the money to people who may not be able to pay it back.” Only a quarter blamed homeowners.)

    The deteriorating relationship between Americans and their creditors has not yet reached the level of Shays’ Rebellion, the 1786 uprising by poor farmers in western Massachusetts during a recession. But the basic issues are strikingly similar, suggesting an eternal tension between creditor and consumer.

    Boston merchants, who were suffering themselves, aggressively sought payment from their customers. When the folks could not pay, which was often, they were jailed. The incensed farmers sought “reforms that would permit repayment on less destructive terms,” writes Bruce H. Mann in “Republic of Debtors,” a history of bankruptcy in early America. “Creditors replied with lectures on frugality, luxury, virtue and the sanctity of obligations.”

    Shays’ Rebellion provoked mixed reactions, then and now. Were the rebels trying to remedy grievous wrongs in the spirit of the Revolutionary War, or were they threatening public order and the fledgling state — acting as terrorists, in the modern parlance? Shays’ followers were quickly arrested and quickly pardoned, although two were hanged.

    Ruthless defaulters today face different perils. Delinquency destroys credit scores, can prompt a lawsuit and guarantees a very large number of hostile calls from collection agencies.

    Still, all that can seem the better alternative. Like many who default, Ms. Birks first asked her credit card company to lower her 19 percent interest rate. No dice, Bank of America responded. After she tried to get the bank’s attention by skipping a payment, it immediately raised her rate to 25 percent. As Ms. Birks’ debt swelled, so did a sense of injustice mingled with helplessness.

    Bank of America has its hands full, with a June default rate of 13.8 percent, up from 12.5 percent in May. The other major credit card companies are in a similar fix. Estimates of the total industry losses are over $100 billion for the current recession.

    Collectors are noticing a shift not only in ability but in willingness to pay. “With all the bailouts the government is giving everyone, no one has any personal accountability about their own debts,” said Roger Knauf, who runs a trade group of debt-buying firms.

    Many of today’s debtors were maxed out long before the recession. Much of this debt was of course in the form of junky mortgages on wildly overpriced houses, and it was here that people first began to rebel.
    Countrywide Financial, the country’s biggest and most aggressive lender, surveyed its customers about why they were defaulting in the summer of 2007. One of the leading reasons was “low regard for property ownership.” In other words, people concluded that owning these houses was a bad deal.

    That people would intentionally default on loans they never should have gotten in the first place took lenders by surprise. “I’m astonished that people would walk away from their homes,” Bank of America chief executive Kenneth Lewis said in late 2007.

    Nineteen months later, walking away from mortgages is widespread if impossible to quantify, and no cause for embarrassment. Rather the opposite: it shows savviness. “I’ll walk away before I take a loss,” a Dallas financier recently boasted to Barron’s magazine about his efforts to sell his $6 million vacation estate.

    With credit cards, this type of chest-pounding seems less evident, at least so far. Ms. Birks, 43, readily admits that no one forced her to use her cards. “Some people are good with money,” she said. “I was stupid.”
    Still, just about everyone made mistakes during the boom — regulators, Congress, Wall Street. If Bank of America got a bailout for making bad loans, Ms. Birks figured, she deserved a bailout for accepting them.

    “You have to start looking at the future,” says Ms. Birks, who has been a writer and editor for various publications. “I already feel horrible because I can’t find a good job.” She earns $15 an hour as a copy editor for a magazine and does other part-time work.

    In previous downturns, Ms. Birks’ only recourse would have been a debt management plan, where she would restructure her payments with the help of a counselor, or bankruptcy. Now there is a third option: debt settlement.
    This means going on strike until the lender accepts a partial payment.
    Ms. Birks asked Bank of America about a settlement this spring. Since her account was up to date, she was told she didn’t qualify. She stopped paying, the bank started calling.

    When Bank of America finally got her on the phone, it agreed for the first time to drastically reduce her interest rate. She did not take the deal, but considered it progress.


  • #2
    Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

    Finally, a bit of green shoots!

    I wonder how many more people are going to default based on reading this article alone. What a great story! The beast is not starving yet, but must be getting hungry.

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    • #3
      Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

      Shay's Rebellion is misunderstood.

      http://www.amazon.com/Shayss-Rebelli.../dp/0812236696

      http://www.historycooperative.org/cg...0.3/br_12.html

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      • #4
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        Hollywood right now could make a good movie on Shays' Rebellion that would be socially relevant.

        There are two directions they could go: a la the foreclosure practices currently, freeze the debt and the person pays over a longer period of time (although in light of current bankruptcy law, hmmm...), or raise interest rates that they charge for people taking out new loans. Both of which are an annoying detriment toward fast recovery with no consequences.

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        • #5
          Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

          Originally posted by don View Post
          July 26, 2009
          When Debtors Decide to Default

          ...Ruthless defaulters today face different perils. Delinquency destroys credit scores...

          In our modern world apparently few can structure their lives to completely avoid the need for credit...but for those who can - and I suspect more and more will be forced into that state - one wonders why they would ever again give a shzt about the "perils" of the damn FICO score.

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          • #6
            Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

            Originally posted by rj1 View Post
            Hollywood right now could make a good movie on Shays' Rebellion that would be socially relevant.

            There are two directions they could go: a la the foreclosure practices currently, freeze the debt and the person pays over a longer period of time (although in light of current bankruptcy law, hmmm...), or raise interest rates that they charge for people taking out new loans. Both of which are an annoying detriment toward fast recovery with no consequences.
            Hollywood remains enthralled by the Democratic Party and the Dems enthralled by the celebrity status of hanging with Hollywood. A film about a "rebellion" from Hollywood as long as Obama is in office is as likely as Brad and Jennifer both becoming celibate.

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            • #7
              Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              Hollywood remains enthralled by the Democratic Party and the Dems enthralled by the celebrity status of hanging with Hollywood. A film about a "rebellion" from Hollywood as long as Obama is in office is as likely as Brad and Jennifer both becoming celibate.
              There are some rogue players in Hollywood that could facilitate such a production.

              As a consumer of some Hollywood products, I would love for this to happen.

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              • #8
                Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                In our modern world apparently few can structure their lives to completely avoid the need for credit...but for those who can - and I suspect more and more will be forced into that state - one wonders why they would ever again give a shzt about the "perils" of the damn FICO score.
                Right now my only debt is a $650 monthly rent payment. Car's paid off and I'm saving money for the down payment for a house (which apparently makes me quite unique for my generation per a realtor when my sister bought a house and said she was doing the same thing).

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                • #9
                  Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                  Originally posted by don View Post
                  July 26, 2009
                  When Reality Trumps the Morality Card
                  It's not "Reality Trumps the Morality Card", it's "Morality Trumps the Financial Oligarchy" . . . that is, if you ascribe to the Old Testament morality of "an eye for an eye".

                  How many borrowers could pay their debts if the Banks weren't so greedy?

                  How many borrowers could pay their debts if Wall Street wasn't "peddling loans that they knew could never be repaid" and thus crashed the system (as Obama said).

                  The moral thing to do is NOT pay your debts. :eek:

                  The moral thing to do is screw those who screwed you so that they will not be able to do it again to others. :eek:

                  This is really great . . . .
                  The People appear to be finally catching on to the way to "fix the system" . . . i.e., not pay their debts. Starve the Beast.

                  Welcome to the Great Debt Boycott of 2009

                  The rich have so gutted the system that they can't even afford to keep current prisoners in jail, let alone tens of thousands of non-debt-payers.

                  As People wake up to the fact that they hold the power, we will now start to get real reform . . . and justice.
                  The internet will save us from what Michael Hudson has called the Debt Serfdom.

                  The internet will have that effect because it is like working on a problem with a single CPU vs. hundreds of CPUs. When you've got all the minds in the world hooked up, problems will become solved easier.

                  An example?
                  Before the internet, I would shop at a store to buy a product. I might talk to a neighbor, friend or relative about what to buy, then I would make the purchase.
                  With the internet, there is free access to several sources that research products. Then, perhaps more valuable, there are forums where I can read about the experiences of others. I weigh all this data, discard that which is obviously wrong or not useful, and end up buying a product that is suited to my needs. I am using wisdom and information from the "world mind" rather than something much more constricted and parochial.
                  The same effect will hold true for the workings of society and reform of the system . . . .

                  Of course, like many tools, you can hurt yourself if your not careful.
                  A radial saw multiplies productivity, but in the hands of someone careless, it can results in bloody stumps.
                  Same with the internet . . . the overall positive effect is profound.

                  One of the best examples of the power of the internet is iTulip
                  Last edited by raja; July 26, 2009, 02:27 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                    Film's working title:

                    embracing the darkness of default

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                    • #11
                      Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                      Originally posted by raja View Post
                      It's not "Reality Trumps the Morality Card", it's "Morality Trumps the Financial Oligarchy" . . . that is, if you ascribe to the Old Testament morality of "an eye for an eye".

                      How many borrowers could pay their debts if the Banks weren't so greedy?

                      How many borrowers could pay their debts if Wall Street wasn't "peddling loans that they knew could never be repaid" and thus crashed the system (as Obama said).

                      The moral thing to do is NOT pay your debts. :eek:

                      The moral thing to do is screw those who screwed you so that they will not be able to do it again to others. :eek:

                      This is really great . . . .
                      The People appear to be finally catching on to the way to "fix the system" . . . i.e., not pay their debts. Starve the Beast.

                      Welcome to the Great Debt Boycott of 2009

                      The rich have so gutted the system that they can't afford even to keep current prisoners in jail, let alone the thousands of non-debt-payers.

                      As People wake up to the fact that they hold the power, we will now start to get real reform . . . and justice. The internet will save us from what Michael Hudson has called the Debt Serfdom.
                      As long as the government bails out the banks from their exposure to bad debt it only means that the defaults are borne by society at large. Some result...

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                      • #12
                        Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        As long as the government bails out the banks from their exposure to bad debt it only means that the defaults are borne by society at large. Some result...
                        yeah, and this is why it will be unsustainable. It will become a vicious cycle.

                        Banks are bailed out; debtors feel misused and see how their is little accountability (and many advantages) to default, and begin doing it en masse; Banks are bailed out as fast as the defaults pile up - the debt deflation progresses by rewarding (read: not holding accountable) bankers and defaulting debtors, transferring the burden onto whole society.

                        So, what's the lesson and message being conveyed by the system to everyone, including the "responsible frugal savers" who are being asked to bear the brunt of the bail-outs? Obtain as much non-recourse credit as you can, obtain tangible goods, services, and whatever money can buy, and default before the rules are changed or the system collapses.

                        Not a very good outcome IMO.
                        Last edited by vinoveri; July 26, 2009, 02:40 PM. Reason: spelling and content

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                        • #13
                          Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                          Originally posted by don View Post
                          Film's working title:

                          embracing the darkness of default

                          It seems that someone else might have thought that up before you.

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                            Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                            It seems that someone else might have thought that up before you.

                            Wow. You know what's said about small minds....

                            (I simply lifted it from the article's text. A great line by Adam Levin.)

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                            • #15
                              Re: When Reality Trumps the Morality Card

                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              Wow. You know what's said about small minds....

                              (I simply lifted it from the article's text. A great line by Adam Levin.)
                              Where I come from, what you did is called stealing, but stealing seems to be the preferred way in some sectors of American life, so at least among some, your plagiarism would draw approvals.
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