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  • Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

    See guys and gals, everything is going to return to normal (just ignore that near quadrupling of fed debt from $10T to ~$37T). ;)

    Here's your debt deflation alright; transfer $27T of bad debt onto the public ledger, and start over.

    Why won't this work? 10yr bonds still under 4% WTF:eek:


    July 20 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. taxpayers may be on the hook for as much as $23.7 trillion to bolster the economy and bail out financial companies, said Neil Barofsky, special inspector general for the Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.
    The Treasury’s $700 billion bank-investment program represents a fraction of all federal support to resuscitate the U.S. financial system, including $6.8 trillion in aid offered by the Federal Reserve, Barofsky said in a report released today.
    “TARP has evolved into a program of unprecedented scope, scale and complexity,” Barofsky said in testimony prepared for a hearing tomorrow before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
    Costs include $2.3 trillion in programs offered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., $7.4 trillion in TARP and other aid from the Treasury and $7.2 trillion in federal money for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, credit unions, Veterans Affairs and other federal programs, he said.
    Barofsky offered criticism in a separate quarterly report of Treasury’s implementation of TARP, saying the department has “repeatedly failed to adopt recommendations” needed to provide transparency and fulfill the administration’s goal to implement TARP “with the highest degree of accountability.”
    As a result, taxpayers don’t know how TARP recipients are using the money or the value of the investments, he said in the report.
    The Treasury has spent $441 billion of TARP funds so far and has allocated $202.1 billion more for other spending.
    In the nine months since Congress authorized TARP, Treasury has created 12 programs involving funds that may reach almost $3 trillion, Barofsky said.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aY0tX8UysIaM

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    Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

    Denniger earlier commenting along the same line wrote:

    Originally posted by Denninger
    $23.7 trillion dollars?
    Where was the Congressional appropriation for that?
    This is blatantly unconstitutional folks. We're talking about nearly double the nation's GDP in debt commitments and more than 33 times the amount authorized by Congress.
    Something happens to my spreadsheet when I try to figure out such large numbers. I got 39 times increase if using 700B$, 34 times if using 800B$

    If Bloomberg is correct in its reporting of Barofsky, I surmise that all this horseshit will only come to an end when someone starts lining up these bastard banksters and their minions in Congress and shoots them; on the other hand the US may fade into oblivion before any such appropriate actions are taken.
    Last edited by Jim Nickerson; July 20, 2009, 01:48 PM.
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      Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

      I don't believe any Credit Unions, in any shape or size, are federal.

      They're backed by a national credit union insurance pool.

      It would be no surprise if they have received federal bankster largess but I don't think any of them are federal institutions, as the Bloomberg article implies.

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        Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

        Originally posted by don View Post
        I don't believe any Credit Unions, in any shape or size, are federal.

        They're backed by a national credit union insurance pool.

        It would be no surprise if they have received federal bankster largess but I don't think any of them are federal institutions, as the Bloomberg article implies.
        Could be "and other federal programs" only applied to the immediately preceeding item in the list, "VA".

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          Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

          Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
          Denniger earlier commenting along the same line wrote:



          Something happens to my spreadsheet when I try to figure out such large numbers.

          If Bloomberg is correct in its reporting of Barofsky, I surmise that all this horseshit will only come to an end when someone starting lining up these bastard banksters and their minnions in Congress and starts shooting them, on the other hand the US may fade into oblivion before any such appropriate actions are taken.
          Jim, I just watched a segment on CNBC and the four talking heads were all insisting the $23.7 trillion number must be wrong and quickly switched the topic to the motive behind mentioning in the report the 35 ongoing TARP related civil and criminal investigations.

          http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/20/news...ion=2009072013

          Barofsky is set to testify about the report Tuesday morning before a House panel.

          The special IG's office, which was established as part of the TARP program enacted last fall, has also launched 35 criminal and civil investigations into a range of allegations from accounting and securities fraud to insider trading and public corruption, the report said.

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            Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

            Originally posted by babbittd View Post
            Jim, I just watched a segment on CNBC and the four talking heads were all insisting the $23.7 trillion number must be wrong and quickly switched the topic to the motive behind mentioning in the report the 35 ongoing TARP related civil and criminal investigations.
            Well, the 23.7T$ number is definitely out there now, whether it is right or wrong.

            It will interesting to see who issues the first retraction Bloomberg on the number, or CNBC on its denial the number is correct.

            Only major dumbasses could question the motive behind pursuit of crimminal activity, unless the hard-to-understand part is why all of a sudden are crimminals being pursued?
            Jim 69 y/o

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              Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

              Originally posted by don View Post
              I don't believe any Credit Unions, in any shape or size, are federal.
              If I search on Google for "federal credit union", I get many hits. What does that mean?
              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                If I search on Google for "federal credit union", I get many hits. What does that mean?
                They were originally formed for federal workers, now a misnomer in that non-federal workers can join, borrow, etc. Always a private endeavor despite the "federal" name. More akin to banking at "First Federal".

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                  Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                  Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                  If I search on Google for "federal credit union", I get many hits. What does that mean?
                  They were originally formed for federal workers, now a misnomer in that non-federal workers can join, borrow, etc. Always a private endeavor despite the "federal" name. More akin to banking at "First Federal" or joining Sam's Club.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                    Just went to my credit union and found this:

                    https://www.wescom.org/accounts/ncua.asp

                    My accounts are indeed Federally insured.

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                      Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                      Originally posted by Mashuri View Post
                      Just went to my credit union and found this:

                      https://www.wescom.org/accounts/ncua.asp

                      My accounts are indeed Federally insured.
                      Alot of the credit unions are regulated/insured by NCUA (National Credit Union Administration)


                      The National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) is the independent federal agency that charters and supervises federal credit unions throughout the United States and its territories.
                      NCUA administers the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF). Backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government, the NCUSIF insures the member accounts in all federal credit unions and the substantial majority of state-chartered credit unions.
                      Its a federal agency like the FDIC...

                      I like alliantcreditunion.org, great customer service and great rates...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                        This is one giant "PUT" - the gov is telling us, we won't let anything go down, no matter what. This is why the markets can rally and rally and rally. I just don't understand the bond market.

                        If EJ is right, and a dollar crisis is initiated as political event vs a market event, than I don't see why, if political relations are managed properly, we're not back to "normal". There is no free market ...


                        The current balance of support provided is about $3 trillion, Barofsky says. About half of that is Federal Reserve lending; the rest includes TARP, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. assistance and other programs.
                        To get to the $23.7 trillion of "total potential support," Barofsky calculates that the government’s programs would have to balloon to these amounts: Fed lending, $6.8 trillion; TARP, $3 trillion; FDIC, $2.3 trillion; non-TARP Treasury aid, $4.4 trillion; and various mortgage-aid programs, $7.2 trillion.
                        "The estimates .. . are designed to suggest the scale and scope of those efforts and not to provide a firm financial statement," Barofsky writes. The numbers aren't meant to suggest what taxpayers could lose, because they don't take into account fees the government collects for the programs or the collateral that agencies take to back up their assistance.
                        ....
                        http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/mone...g-to-prov.html

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                        • #13
                          Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                          The more I think about it the more a "Not-for-Profit" banking institution like a credit union seems like a good idea. A banking institution that is not looking to maximize the profits for their shareholders, but to provide the best services at the lowest cost to the owner/members. Shouldn't a bank reward its customers who put their money into the bank instead of rewarding people who invested in shares of the bank? Wouldn't this kind of thinking prevented the gross inefficiencies that our current banking system has created?

                          The credit unions offer all the same services as the big banks, debit and credit cards, checking, CD and savings accounts. Auto loans and a channel to access federal mortgage programs (ie Fannie, Freddie, FHA etc). Why couldn't the government just let these banks fail, and have the Credit Unions pick up the slack?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                            Originally posted by illuman23 View Post
                            Why couldn't the government just let these banks fail, and have the Credit Unions pick up the slack?
                            Who would then pay for the 500K consulting contract for the senator's wife?

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                              Re: Return to "normalcy"- credit limit has been quadrupled!

                              Originally posted by illuman23 View Post
                              The more I think about it the more a "Not-for-Profit" banking institution like a credit union seems like a good idea. A banking institution that is not looking to maximize the profits for their shareholders, but to provide the best services at the lowest cost to the owner/members. Shouldn't a bank reward its customers who put their money into the bank instead of rewarding people who invested in shares of the bank? Wouldn't this kind of thinking prevented the gross inefficiencies that our current banking system has created?

                              The credit unions offer all the same services as the big banks, debit and credit cards, checking, CD and savings accounts. Auto loans and a channel to access federal mortgage programs (ie Fannie, Freddie, FHA etc). Why couldn't the government just let these banks fail, and have the Credit Unions pick up the slack?

                              I've just begun dabbling in Credit Unions and i am impressed. I will be adding them to banking institutions i use and hopefully gradually start moving to the CU route... Honestly, the customer service is pretty damn good and the services offered are very nice.

                              I guess i'm longing for the "relationship" and i'm not up there yet money wise; where i get to have my own banker

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