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    AQR's Cliff Asness, a hedge fund manager (and ex-Goldmanite) who recently achieved public acclaim by lashing out quite vocally against some of the administration's tyrannical practices, yet stands to lose some of that new found populist credibility by being one of the first "scholars" supporting the petition to limit oversight and visibility of the "independent" Goldman-enhanced Federal Reserve, has just hit the road with another piece of a Hunter S. Thompson-esque Op-Ed. The whole piece, captured below, is a must read, and while Asness astutely provides the following legal disclaimer


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    Health Care Mythology

    VERY PRELIMINARY DRAFT

    Clifford S. Asness, Ph.D.
    Managing and Founding Principal
    AQR Capital Management, LLC

    Comments welcome: comments@stumblingontruth.com
    What We Know That Ain’t So

    Will Rogers famously said, “It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.” So it is with the health care debate in this country. Quite a few “facts” offered to the public as truth are simply wrong and often intentionally misleading. It seems clear that no truly productive solution will emerge when these false facts represent our common starting point. So, this essay takes on the modest task of simply disabusing its readers of some untrue notions about health care.

    I do not take on the harder task of proscribing how we should (and if we should) reform health care. Important work must be done here by those who understand, far better than I, the details of health care provision. However, no details are necessary for this essay, and no animals (though perhaps some egos) were harmed in its creation. The fallacies I present are basic and it takes only a rational economic framework to expose them.

    There are large groups of people in this country who want socialized medicine and they sense that the stars are aligning, and now is their time to succeed. They rarely call it socialized medicine, but instead “single payer health care” or “universal coverage” or something that their public relations people have told them sounds better. Whatever they call it, they believe (or pretend to believe) a lot of wrong?headed things, and they must be stopped. Step one is understanding how and why they are wrong. Step two is kicking their asses back to Cuba where they can get in line with Michael Moore and Al Gore for their free gastric bypasses.

    Finally, please read my standard disclosure (though it’s more designed for something that might be construed as financial advice, it can’t hurt) and my admission of non-originality.[i],[ii]

    Myth #1 Health Care Costs are Soaring

    No, they are not. The amount we spend on health care has indeed risen, in absolute terms, after inflation, and as a percentage of our incomes and GDP. That does not mean costs are soaring.

    You cannot judge the “cost” of something by simply what you spend. You must also judge what you get. I’m reasonably certain the cost of 1950’s level health care has dropped in real terms over the last 60 years (and you can probably have a barber from the year 1500 bleed you for almost nothing nowadays). Of course, with 1950’s health care, lots of things will kill you that 2009 health care could prevent. Also, your quality of life, in many instances, would be far worse, but you will have a little bit more change in your pocket as the cost will be lower. Want to take the deal? In fact, nobody in the US really wants 1950’s health care (or even 1990’s health care). They just want to pay 1950 prices for 2009 health care. They want the latest pills, techniques, therapies, general genius discoveries, and highly skilled labor that would make today’s healthcare seem like science fiction a few years ago. But alas, successful science fiction costs a lot.

    In the case of health care, the fact that we spend so much more on it now is largely a positive. The negative part is if some, or a lot, of that spending is wasteful. Of course, that is mostly the government’s fault and is not the part on which the socialists want you to focus. We spend so much more on health care, even relative to other advances, mostly because it is worth so much more to us. Similarly, we spend so much more on computers, compact discs, HDTV, and those wonderful one shot espresso makers that make it like having a barista in your own home. Interestingly, we also spend a ton more on these other items now than we did in 1950 because none of these existed in 1950 (well, you could have hired a skilled Italian man to live with you and make you coffee twice a day, so I guess that existed and the price has in fact come down; my bad, analogy shot). OK, you get the point. Health care today is a combination of stuff that has existed for a while and a set of entirely new things that look like (and really are) miracles from the lens of even a few years ago. We spend more on health care because it’s better. Say it with me again, slowly – this is a good thing, not a bad thing.

    In summary, if one more person cites soaring health care costs as an indictment of the free market, when it is in fact a staggering achievement of the free market, I’m going to rupture their appendix and send them to a queue in the UK to get it fixed. Last we’ll see of them.[1]

    Myth #2 The Canadian Drug Story

    Ah … one of the holy myths of the “US health care sucks” crowd. This should be fun.

    The general story is how you can buy many drugs in Canada cheaper than you can buy them in the US. This story is often, without specifically tying the logic together, taken as an obvious indictment of the US’s (relatively) free market system. This is grossly misguided.

    Here’s what happens. We have a (relatively) free market in the US where drug companies spend a ton to develop new wonder drugs, a non-trivial amount of which is spent to satisfy regulatory requirements. The cost of this development is called a “fixed cost.” Once it’s developed it does not cost that much to make each pill. That’s called a “variable cost.” If people only paid the variable cost (or a bit more) for each pill the whole thing would not work. You see, the company would never get back the massive fixed cost of creating the drug in the first place, and so no company would try to develop one. Thus, companies have to, and do, charge more than the variable cost of making each pill.[2] Some look at this system and say to the drug companies “gee, it doesn’t cost you much to make one more pill, so it’s unfair that you charge much more than your cost.” They are completely wrong and not looking at all the costs.

    So, let’s bring this back to our good natured friends to the North (good natured barring hockey when they’ll kill you as soon as look at you[3]). They have socialized medicine and they bargain as the only Canadian buyer for drugs, paying well below normal costs. Drug companies that spent the enormous fixed costs to create new miracles are charging a relatively high cost in the free and still largely competitive world (the US) to recoup their fixed cost and to make a profit. But socialist societies like Canada limit the price they are allowed to charge. The US-based company is then faced with a dilemma. What Canada will pay is not enough to ever have justified creating the miracle pill. But, once created, perhaps Canada is paying more than the variable cost of each pill. Thus, the company can make some money by also selling to Canada at a lower price as it’s still more than it costs them to make that last pill.

    However, this is an accident of Canada being a less-free country than the US, able to bargain as one nation, much smaller, and next door. If we all tried to be Canada it’s a non-working perpetual motion machine and no miracle pills ever get made because there will be nobody to pay the fixed costs. I’m a big fan of Canadians in general (particularly Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux, who if healthy probably would have eclipsed Gretzky – but I digress), but when it comes to pharmaceuticals they are lucky parasitic hosers. Drug companies in general sell their products to Canada at low prices, making a little profit, and reducing slightly the amount they need to charge other North Americans. This does create the silly illusion that the Canadian system is somehow better than ours because our own drugs are cheaper there. They are only cheaper to the extent we are subsidizing them by paying their portion of drug development costs and, unfortunately, we cannot subsidize ourselves (or we go blind).[4]

    So, what is the purpose behind those who tell tales of these cheap Canadian drugs? Obviously they seek to ridicule our freer system by putting the parasitic and socialist system on a pedestal. They seek to imply that our system is broken, and delivers only expensive drugs, when the socialist Canadian system delivers the goods for its people. Thus, they implicitly argue that we need to have socialism here. It’s not complicated.

    So, repeat after me. We could go with the Canadian system and have super cheap drugs, if only we can find a much bigger, much more medically advanced, much freer country right next to us to make miracle drugs for themselves, and then we insist that we pay them only a bit above their variable cost for our share, and then they in turn agree to let us be their parasite. Mexico, would you mind helping us out?

    Myth #3 Socialized Medicine Works In Some Places

    This is a corollary to the “Canada as parasite” parable above. The funny part is socialized medicine has never been truly tested. Those touting socialism’s success have never seen a world without a relatively (for now) free US to make their new drugs, surgical techniques, and other medical advancements for them. When (and I hope this doesn’t happen) the US joins in the insanity of socialized medicine we will see that when you remove the brain from the body, the engine from a car, the candy from the striper, it just does not work.

    So, please, stop pointing to all those “successes” that even while living off the US still kill hard-working people who could afford their own health care while they stand in line for the government’s version (people’s cancers growing while waiting 10 weeks for a routine scan, which these people could often afford on their own if allowed, is a human tragedy). Even the successes you gin up for them would not be possible without the last best hope of humankind (the US) on the front lines again making the miracles for the world.

    Specifically, let’s also stop citing the Nordic countries as examples. The temporary success of (comparatively speaking) twelve herring-eating homogenous people is not an example that applies to anything outside of perhaps Minnesota, and they elected Stuart Smalley, so under any system they need serious free anti-psychotic medication immediately. Anyway, the Nordic country’s touted “success” is going to go the way of the Soviet Union’s plan to bury us, as their changing demographics (far more economic diversity and an aging population) change their culture and show the cracks in their utopian fantasy. As Milton Friedman (paraphrasing) said to a Swede bragging about how little poverty there was in his country "well, yes, I too have observed that among Swedes in America, there's also very little poverty."

    To put it simply, right now the US’s free system massively intellectually subsidizes the world’s unfree (socialized) ones. That sucks. The only thing that would suck worse is joining them without anyone to subsidize us all.

    Myth #4 A Public Option Can Co-Exist with a Private Option

    This one has been the subject of some hot debate. Let’s first define it. Part of the current junta’s plan is to add a “public option” for health insurance. That is health insurance provided by the government (actually provided by you and your neighbors – this is a good thing to remember whenever you find yourselves thinking anything comes from the government, really, if you take away anything from this essay take away this!). They claim this “public option” can co-exist fairly alongside private health insurance, increasing competition and keeping the private system “honest”, and not deteriorate to a single payer (socialized medicine) system. They are wrong, or very dishonest, as in unguarded moments they admit that the single payer socialized system is what they really want. The New York Times disagrees with me, thinking the two can co-exist. But the New York Times still thinks Stalin was a pretty decent Joe.

    Those advocating the “public option” say it’s just there to keep private enterprise honest. They point out that private doctors prescribe more expensive procedures than ones employed by the government, and then use that as evidence that the private system has inefficiencies (to get as inefficient as the government they’d have to proscribe enough CAT scans to turn you into Spider-Man if conveniently bitten by an arachnid along the way). It makes me want to ask them, “but then don’t we need that in every industry? Doesn’t the already massive competition in health care keep things honest?” Of course, this leads to the uncomfortable conclusion that by their logic the government must be a major player in every industry. Ah, just when you think you have them, you remember, they are socialists. They have you! This is in fact what they desire. Don’t throw them in the briar patch. But, in our case they are mendacious socialists who know that they will not achieve their massive imposition of state control on all aspects of life if they are honest about it. So they are dismantling liberty piece by piece. Now, let’s get back to the idea that the government can run a fair “private option”, but not forget that there’s nothing special about health care.

    The government does not co-exist or compete fairly with private enterprise. It does not play well with others. The regulator cannot be a competitor at the same time. It cannot compete fairly while it owns the armed forces and courts. Finally, it cannot be a fair competitor if when the “public option” screws up (can’t pay its bills), the government implicitly or explicitly guarantees its debts. We have seen what happens in that case and don’t need a re-run.

    The first thing the government does is underprice the private system. You can easily be forgiven for thinking this is a good thing. Why not, cheaper is better right? Wrong. They will underprice private enterprise by charging less to the purchaser of health insurance, not by actually creating it cheaper. Who makes up the difference? Well, you and your family do if you pay taxes, or your kids will pay taxes, or their kids will pay taxes. The government can always underprice competition, not through the old fashioned way of doing it better, they never do that, but by robbing Peter to pay for Paul. They are taking money from your left pocket and giving you a small portion of it back in your right pocket. They do it every day before breakfast, and take a victory lap for the small portion they return.

    Second, the government ultimately always cheats when it’s involved in “honest” competition. Try mailing a first class letter through Fed-Ex, or placing an off-track bet with a bookie, or playing a lottery through a private company. Uh, you can’t, so please stop trying. I don’t want you to hurt yourself. Once the government discovers it cannot win, it changes the rules. You see, the government has the power to legislate, steal, imprison, and kill. Those are advantages most private firms do not have, save Google, and you didn’t hear that from me (we all know the Google guy with one eye-brow would crush your larynx for creating a competing search engine).

    I have friends who say that I can’t compare doctors to postal workers or truck drivers or bookies as doctors are tireless altruists (pretty damn arrogant no?). I respect the skills of doctors, but they are the kids in college who wanted good jobs with prestige and money, and worked damn hard to attain them, but barely a one was more altruistic than the average truck driver (ever have a doctor drive you from Cleveland to Spokane for nothing but your participation in a duet?) And anyway, those who want socialism want to enslave these altruists while I want to free them, so I am not sure I need to argue this point.

    Perhaps the best example of the destructive “public option” is our nation’s schools. Here we clearly have a government provided “public option” competing with (and in fact dominating in size) private schooling. But, is it fair? Does it work well? Not by a long-shot. To send your kids to private school (i.e., a school that competes with the government) you need to first pay your taxes. Absent vouchers or tax credits, the bête noirs of the “socialism in education” set, if you eschew the “public option” you have to pay for education twice. Double payment is not only unfair, but the quality of the product without competition is inhuman and a catastrophe to a generation of children the Left weeps tears over, but actively works to destroy (after all, the Left needs future customers). That the schools provided by the government pale next to the private options, which themselves pale next to what we would have with a full private system (even if publicly funded) is beyond sad, but not the direct point here. The direct point is a “public option” cannot exist without cheating – in this case making you pay for it even if you don’t use it (I’m pretty sure if a private company tried that it would be called stealing).

    With a “public option” things inevitably would go the horrific way of our public schools. Instead of existing to please customers (patients and students respectively) the “public option” in schools exists largely to benefit empowered stakeholders of the system (health administrators and unionized school employees respectively), who will shamelessly pretend to give a darn about sick people and children. Watch the analogy play out if we go this route in health care. It will be like looking in a funhouse mirror and seeing a doctor where you used to see a teacher. All else will be the same.

    Finally, let’s worry a bit about the end game. We are not here yet, but in a world where the “public option” replaced all private options, would we still be allowed, if we had the resources, to pursue private medical alternatives? Some socialized countries say yes, some say no. Imagine the answer is no in this country, where freedom is valued more than anywhere else in the world. Imagine a person is to be prevented from spending their hard earned money on their or their children’s health care, or a doctor was prevented from earning what he could in a parallel free system after all his training and work. If we get to this point, and I pray we do not, it’s time to skip all the Constitution but the second amendment (while we still have it), as it won’t be America anymore.

    Let’s again conclude by asking why they are lying here about the “public option”? Well, the President has said if starting from scratch he’d prefer socialized medicine (he calls it something different, but again, he’s not telling the truth). He also now insists that this “public option” is not intended to lead to fully socialized medicine, and accuses those who say it will lead there of, you guessed it, lying. Odd no? But it takes literally seconds to realize that this “public option” cannot co-exist with liberty and thus will indeed lead to full?on socialization. Since the simplest answer is usually best, and the President has already declared his preference for a “single-payer” system, and since this “public option” leads there with near certainty, might I be forgiven for assuming he knows this and is lying, and has a socialized medicine end-game in mind?

    Myth #5 We Can Have Health Care Without Rationing

    Rationing has to occur. This sounds cold and cruel, but it is reality. A=A. If you have a material good or service, like health care, that is ever increasing in quality, and therefore cost, there is no way everyone on Earth can have the best at all times (actually the quality increases are not necessary for rationing to be needed, it just makes the example clearer). It’s going to be rationed by some means. The alternatives come down to the marketplace or the government. To choose between those alternatives you judge on morality and efficacy.

    Everyone on both sides seems to hate the rationing word. People favoring free markets point to the explicit rationing that occurs in other countries with glee, while those favoring socialism point to the number of uninsured who get their health care through emergency rooms and the like (a form of rationing). Both sides are wrong to complain about rationing per se, that’s a fact of life. But there are differences.

    It is an uncomfortable truth that tough choices will have to be made. There is no system that provides for unlimited wants with limited resources. Our choice is whether it should be rationed by free people making their own economic calculations or by a bureaucracy run by Congressional committee (whose members, like the Russian commissars, will, I guarantee you, still get the best health care the gulag hospitaligo can provide). Free people making their own choices only consume what they value above price, using funds they have earned or been given voluntarily. With socialized medicine health care is rationed by committees of politicians trying to get re-elected and increase their own power, and people consume as much of it as the commissars deem permissible. I do not find these tough alternatives to choose between.

    By the way, nothing says that part of this rationing cannot include large amounts of charity, privately or even (and the libertarian in me quakes) publicly, but that still involves rationing. Sorry, we can’t suspend the laws of physics and arithmetic.

    So, why do they lie about rationing, other than habit? Well, rationing isn’t pleasant news for those who don’t get that 2+2 will always equal 4. Telling optimistic innumerates that your plan does not include rationing wins support.

    Myth #6 Health Care is A Right

    Nope, it’s not. But we are at the nuclear bomb of the discussion. The one guaranteed to get me yelled at or perhaps picketed by a mob waving signs printed up with George Soros’s money. Those advocating socialized medicine love to scream “health care is a right.” They are loud, they are scary, but they are wrong about rights (as the 1980 kid in me resists the temptation to type “TO PARTY” – you had to be there).

    This is more philosophy than economics, and I'm not a philosopher. But, luckily it doesn't take a superb philosopher to understand that health care simply is not a “right” in the sense we normally use that word. Listing rights generally involves enumerating things you may do without interference (the right to free speech) or may not be done to you without your permission (illegal search and seizure, loud boy-band music in public spaces). They are protections, not gifts of material goods. Material goods and services must be taken from others, or provided by their labor, so if you believe you have an absolute right to them, and others don’t choose to provide it to you, you then have a “right” to steal from them. But what about their far more fundamental right not to be robbed?

    In fact, although it’s not the primitive issue, the constant improvement in health care gives another good example of why the “right” to health care makes little sense. Did you have a right to chemotherapy in 1600 AD? You could have protested to Parliament all you wanted, but chemo just didn’t exist. Then, did you have a right to it the moment some genius invented it? You did not pay for the research. You did not make the breakthrough. Where do you get the right? How did it come into existence for you the moment somebody else created these things? I’m pretty sure you cannot have rights to material goods that don’t exist, and I am pretty certain that the moment some genius (or business, or even government) brings them into the world your “rights” do not improve. But strangely, many disagree.

    Conundrums are easy to create. If a cure for all disease is discovered but it costs the GDP of Europe for each treatment, do we all have a right to it? Of course not. We can say we do, but it does not matter. We cannot have it (unless you agree with my forecast for Europe’s GDP and wait 50 years). But the absolute “health care is a right” position leads to a clear yes (you know those people bussed in by ACORN and the SEIU carrying signs saying “health care is a right”? Ask them what they think about this issue; I dare you). The smarter crazies might argue that they only mean the right to a reasonable level of health care. But then we have government running and rationing health care, as Congressional committee decides what’s “reasonable”? Health care is not a primitive right, but keep printing those signs.

    So why do people scream health care is a “right” if it so obviously is not? If not a right it can still be willingly provided as charity by society (I’ll again leave aside the libertarian fight about whether we all need to be forced to provide charity). But those screaming “health care is a right” worry that this will not work out as well for them. It would work out if all they cared about was good health care for all, and not power, but they do love that power.

    Those seeking free health care could admit these are not rights but they simply want other people’s stuff, and be honest supplicants, or open thieves. However, they believe that guilt and the false moral high ground work better for them. Do not cede that ground. They are beggars with the government’s guns behind them. They are beggars you may, or may not, choose to help. I personally have chosen to help many (those with my views are painted as non-humanitarians but we believe our ideas will make everyone better off). But that is your and my choice, not their right. When they ask you to help, please consider it, and do what your conscience and abilities suggest and allow. When they try to take it as their right, they are thieves and enslavers, tell them “no.”

    Finally, while again we may choose to provide a minimum standard of health care to our neediest, we should not be ashamed that better health care, like all material goods, comes with success. Capitalism is simply what happens when you mix freedom and economics. Capitalism says if you achieve and build more, you can spend more and have more. You can have a bigger TV, a bigger house, a hotter spouse, and shinier teeth for your pets (or a hotter pet and shinier teeth for your spouse). How on Earth did the notion that it’s “unfair” to spend the money you earned on your own health care, probably the most important thing to you, come about? Well, I know how it came about. It rhymes with momunnism and has been pushed by a far left academia, far left candidates that don’t have a clue about economics beyond cashing a lobbyist’s check, far left trade unions pining for a workers revolution that just never came but now they’re trying to steal on the sly (but God forbid a secret ballot), and a far left media who just thinks they are smarter, better and kinder people than everyone else because they enjoy making snotty sarcastic comments about Republicans (and where is Jon Stewart going to get his health care under the new system anyway?).

    But I digress again.

    Ironically of course, as in all things, the profits made on allowing people to spend differentiated amounts of their own money on health care would fund so much better health care for all it’s sickening (pun intended). Think of the newly invented drugs and other advances that shortly would be cheap enough for everyone if companies were actually fully free to profit on them. It would be too long of an economics lesson to explain to my beret-wearing friends of Che that profits are a good thing, and that companies cannot charge whatever they want forever as the essence of capitalism is not love of the corporation but love of competition. But, while I admit it looks dark now, everyone would do well to study up on those things as they’re going to be making a comeback soon.

    Finally, to reiterate, calling something a “right” and holding up signs screaming you have that right just does not make it so. I once picketed NASA for a whole summer with a sign that said "Faster Than Light Travel Is A Right" and "FTL NOW!!" (it was actually a whole back and forth chant that went “when do we want FTL!!”, with the sing-song response,“now!!”, etc., but it was just me and didn’t work too well). Alas, those twisted fascist bastards ignored me and we still have not visited the Crab Nebula.

    So, Why Are These Crazy Things Believed (Or, Pretended to Be Believed)?

    I forgive individuals. Lots of people are scared and misinformed by their politicians and the media or else they would understand the whitewash that is going on here and reject socialist “solutions” to a problem best solved for their families by freedom. In fact, eventually I think they will (if Congress and the President don’t first intentionally jam through a socialist bill they know cannot survive scrutiny by the American people). Now as to why the media and politicians say what they say, and propose what they propose, it is more complicated.

    Actually the media is often just plain stupid (not all of them, some are geniuses, but as a group certainly), repeating tired leftist dogmas and looking down on anyone who believes in freedom as just a red state moron (trust me, they think that). How else do you explain free infomercials for Obama’s socialized medicine without rebuttal? How else do you explain the failed New York Times front page that’s less news and more editorial parody than Steven Colbert? Why the politicians do it is somewhat more complicated, and a bit more nefarious.

    Some politicians may indeed just be idealistic dupes who actually want to help people but don’t realize they will harm them, or even fools who just want to feel important. But let’s leave Ms. Pelosi out of this for now and talk about the smart ones. I do not think true confusion among the political and intellectual class is most of their problem. I do not think they believe for a second that socialized medicine will make people better off. How could they? I think Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd and Rahm Emanuel (and his boss), and the rest of the K-street gang are smarter than that. I think they understand what they will lose if freedom wins.

    Lots of politicians understand that the simple free system leaves them out in the cold. No power for them. No committees to sit on to decide people’s lives. No lies to tell their constituents how they (the government) brought them the health care they so desperately need. No fat checks from lobbyists as the crony capitalists pay dearly to make the only profits possible under this system, those bestowed by the government. Libertarians are often accused wrongly of loving “big business,” but we don’t, particularly when they predictably turn themselves into crony capitalists who try to succeed by wheedling from the government. On the other hand the socialists love cronies of all sorts, ones who command large enterprises all the better. Socialists are far closer than libertarians to building and countenancing the all-powerful corporate state they claim to fear. Odd I know!

    That an array of crony capitalists are lining up from Wal-Mart to hospitals to medical insurers (bringing back Harry and Louise this time for socialism) hoping to cut the best deals for themselves before the iron curtain falls is sad. That they are being lauded by the administration as a sign its healthcare position is right is simply propaganda. Yep, when someone agrees to pay Al Capone protection, it's a clear sign Al Capone was right to begin with....

    We further see this predicted abuse of power as the health care proposals are already filled with freebies to the President’s friends – including exempting unions from onerous features. Gee, the same unions in whose favor he has re-written the bankruptcy rules and wants to exempt from the most American of ideas, the secret ballot. It’s good to be a friend of the most ethical administration ever.

    For another example how this is about government power and the suppression of private liberty, and not helping people, look no further than the fact that their massive tax increase on the "rich" (which by leftist definition are never paying their "fair share" if they have enough left over to remain rich) is on pre-deduction income.[5] That means if you give all your money to charity you still owe Caesar his 5+ percent on money you did not keep and do not have, but gave away to a good cause. This might raise some revenue, but it is largely about the destruction of private charity. Barack and Harry and Chris and Nancy and the other gang of four (yes our gang of four is much bigger than four) are about the people having to crawl on their knees to government (them) instead of anyone else, including private charity, not about helping people.

    BTW, Congressman Charles Rangel said lawmakers targeted high earners because it “causes the least amount of pain on the least amount of people.” So does, in the short-run, imprisoning the rich and harvesting their organs for better health care for everyone else. Charlie, any thoughts on where you stop stealing?

    Finally, if the above is not enough, the rush to pass a huge expansion of government now, and limit debate and discussion, is indicative of a group that knows it is wrong, and if people have time to think they will refuse to go along, but is attempting an exercise of naked power, to impose dictatorship before the people wake up. Paraphrasing Mark Twain, a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth puts on its shoes. They are counting on this, and they don’t want to give the truth time to be shod.

    And In Conclusion

    At this point you might accuse me of offering only complaints about the Administration's plans, without constructive suggestions of my own. There is truth to that. But I make no apologies. If people believe crazy things it’s first and foremost important to change that before progress can be made. But also, I think we're doing okay enough without radical changes, certainly not hastily panicked changes towards socialism, and also because I lack the expertise to recommend the detailed practical steps that would be productive (in contrast it requires no expertise to see that the myths above are indeed lunacy).

    I do understand people are frustrated at many aspects of the current system, and it is tempting to tear it all down and build something that looks shiny and new and perfect in the advertisement. Many of the complaints concern the complexity of getting insurance, treatment and reimbursement. I blame this mostly on excessive regulation, a complex employment-based insurance system strongly encouraged by tax law, and litigation for the benefit of trial lawyers rather than patients or anyone else. We do not need a single payer (socialized medicine) system to cut confusion and inefficiency. On the contrary we need unfettered competition and clear legal standards. Another major concern is provision of basic healthcare to the needy. This is an important issue, but not an expensive one in the scheme of things, and not one that should drive the trillion-dollar healthcare debate. You do not reorganize the entire housing industry and tax policy around the need for homeless shelters, you just build enough shelters and let the market take care of, and discipline, the people who can pay for their own housing. Finally there is the concern that healthcare costs make US workers too expensive to compete in global markets. As long as workers get full value for their healthcare dollars, it shouldn't matter whether companies pay in cash or in health benefits. The competitiveness issue is an important one, but healthcare costs versus wages versus taxes to pay for public health care is a minor detail in it. The main thing is not how it’s divided up but total costs, and total value received by the worker. Costs are minimized, and value received maximized, by open competition. I recognize these are general prescriptions rather than specific healthcare reform proposals, but you don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows (are non-Leftists allowed to quote Dylan?).



    [I][1] Some say health care advances are really an achievement of the government as the government funds university research. Wow. What a clear case of the government muscling in, taking over, and then pointing to their taking over of Poland as a success. We Poles feel differently.

    [2] By the way, it’s really not only about cost. That companies try to maximize profit is not something they or I should apologize for, it is beautiful and fair and the reason why great things are created, but for this analysis I’ll just focus on cost.

    [3] FYI, your author is a hockey nut.

    [4] Truth be told this isn’t about just Canada but any group that negotiates en masse for prices that cover variable not fixed costs. But the general point is still valid. The success of some groups at this does not mean it’s a viable system for all, in fact it’s impossible to be a viable system for all. We cannot all be free riders.

    [5] While not the subject of this essay, let’s put another widespread myth to bed. “The rich only give to charity for the tax deduction.” Please note, when the rich give substantial amounts to charity they end up with substantially less for themselves. The idea of the charitable deduction (which some libertarians may argue with as it subsidizes behavior the government finds “nice”) is that if you do not keep the money you earned, but pass it on to a good cause, you do not also pay taxes on it. That seems pretty reasonable as you did not keep it. That many, even most, think this is somehow a giveaway to the rich is a statement on the sorry state of understanding, and the dangerous level of class-warfare we already have in this country.

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    [ii] I don’t claim any great originality here. Much, or even all, of what I’m saying has been said elsewhere. But, we’re still losing, so it’s worth repeating all this again with some new angles, a few new pieces of black humor, and perhaps a different font. In particular, and not even close to exhaustively, I can recommend recent pieces of Newman, Sowell, Stossell, Szasz , Will, and many by the Cato Institute that cover a lot of the same ground I attempt to re-take.

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    It's almost embarrassing to reply to this.

    Health care costs are soaring. People are losing their houses and savings when they get sick Insurance companies are not paying up. Percent of income spent on health care is exploding. Drugs are cheaper overseas and Americans are being ripped off royally. Drugs like birth control and blood pressure medicine that were developed decades ago remain high priced in the US, but sell for one-tenth to one-fiftieth of the US price. The US has the worst health care I've experienced. It's slow, expensive, grouchy, confusing, untrustworthy. The US has some of the most highly rationed health care among first world nations.

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      Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
      It's almost embarrassing to reply to this.

      Health care costs are soaring. People are losing their houses and savings when they get sick Insurance companies are not paying up. Percent of income spent on health care is exploding. Drugs are cheaper overseas and Americans are being ripped off royally. Drugs like birth control and blood pressure medicine that were developed decades ago remain high priced in the US, but sell for one-tenth to one-fiftieth of the US price. The US has the worst health care I've experienced. It's slow, expensive, grouchy, confusing, untrustworthy. The US has some of the most highly rationed health care among first world nations.
      I remember somebody remarked that the rate of increase in health care & education basically match inflation. It is not that health care costs are soaring, it is that wages have stagnated. It hard to outsource your surgery and college education to China, at least for now.

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        OMG thanks for putting this up - I had to sit back and reflect - how true, we are screwed

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          Originally posted by aaron View Post
          I remember somebody remarked that the rate of increase in health care & education basically match inflation. It is not that health care costs are soaring, it is that wages have stagnated. It hard to outsource your surgery and college education to China, at least for now.
          I wonder how it is that health care costs might only be increasing at the "rate of inflation" [presume that means "core CPI"?] when so many are living so much longer and we've invented all manner of new medical technologies to support that end?

          I wonder sometimes if one of the answers to global warming is to ban all medical research...all these people living so much longer can't be doing the planet any good...:rolleyes:

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            I love America and have many American friends, and own a couple of businesses in the US.

            The author doesn't know as much about Canada as he professes (including hockey) and shows a clear lack of basic research.

            There are no "free drugs" under Canada's "free health care" system at all - unless you are very far down the unfortunate ladder rungs. Here - almost everybody has an employee-provided medical plan which most people pay into. Most plans cover 80% of drugs and the patient pays the rest ... or runs the other 20% through their spouse's plan.

            Healthcare is Provincially controlled not Federally. Many provinces don't cover eye exams, dental-fee schedules are way behind resulting in many charges especially with orthodontics etc. We pay for healthcare once through higher taxes, twice through our employer, and thirdly by whatever's not covered.

            True many US big pharma companies are "dumping" drugs into Canada to pick up extra margin. Isn't that part of capitalism? I go to many countries and see price mismatches everywhere after considering currency. Calling us parasites is rather self-serving. Perhaps we should use the same term when comparing oil & gas consumption per person. and stop "dumping" our products on those parasites to our South.

            Where's the mention of how long these patents are protected in the US? Why does the author assume that pharma is not doing research in Canada or elsewhere? Why does he think that all drugs are invented in the US?
            Last edited by Fiat Currency; July 17, 2009, 09:20 PM.

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              I'm not sure if that 'article' is partisan hackery, or brain-dead hackery. But maybe the adjective isn't important?

              Nate Silver addressed some of this hackery very well:

              Is this really the best argument that one of the most prominent intellectual conservatives can mount against the public option?

              I'm a big believer in the profit motive in 99 percent of all cases. If the government decided to open a non-profit hamburger stand, I doubt that it would compete successfully against Five Guys. If it tried to open a non-profit airline, I doubt that it could offer the same value as JetBlue. Insert joke about General Motors and/or the Post Office here. The point is, I think the profit motive is generally well worth it in terms of the incentives it creates to cut costs, develop new products, improve customer service, and so forth.

              But health insurance is not like those things.

              Insurance exists because of the decreasing marginal utility of income: most people would rather have a 100% chance of paying $300 a month than a 1% chance of paying $30,000 a month. In fact, our hypothetical customer -- let's call him Frederick, after George F. Will's middle name -- might very well accept a 100% chance of paying $400 a month rather than take 1% chance of having to pay $30,000, which he might not be able to afford. This is true even though Frederick will lose $100 on this deal in an average month.

              There's nothing wrong with this arrangement -- the customer has improved his marginal utility and the insurance company has made $100. It's a win-win.

              The thing is, though, that the insurer hasn't had to work particularly hard for his $100. He hasn't had to figure out how to cook up tastier fries or save you a few bucks off the cost of your next flight to Orlando. All he has to do is to have a bunch of money pooled together, such that he has a different marginal utility curve than you do. He has the luxury to accept the risk of unlikely outcomes, particularly if he can hedge his position by making the same deal with other customers, most of whom won't wind up requiring an angioplasty or cataract surgery, even if Frederick does.

              Now, what's supposed to happen in the free market is that another company will come in and offer Frederick a better deal: they'll offer him the same coverage for $350 a month, accepting a smaller profit, and Frederick will happily take the deal. There are at least a couple of reasons, however, why this may not be happening in the insurance industry. The first is that Frederick might not realize he's paying $400 every month for insurance. That's because if he's like the majority of Americans, he's getting his insurance through his work, and except when the HR lady gave him a shiny brochure on his first day at the office, he's probably never thought very much about what this insurance is costing him in terms of foregone salary. This is particularly so because health insurance benefits, unlike other types of income, aren't taxed, and so Fredrick is less cognizant of them if show up on his paycheck at all. Not only, then, is the free market maxim of perfect information violated, but it's violated in such a way that creates artificial profits for the insurance industry: the government is effectively subsidizing every dollar that Frederick's company is willing to spend on his insurance benefit.

              The profits the insurance industry is making, of course -- profits artificially boosted by an enormous backdoor tax subsidy -- don't seem to be buying the customer much of anything in terms of improved service or cost savings. On the contrary, health care costs are rising by as much as 9-10 percent per year, without any concomitant increase in the level of service. If JetBlue were raising the cost of its fares by 10 percent per year, they'd be out of business.

              The reason the insurers are staying in business, though, is because barriers to entry in the health insurance industry are in practice quite high. Insurers benefit from pooling risk. The larger the pool, the better in terms of the insurer's ability to hedge its risk and build negotiating leverage with its providers. That makes it very difficult for a Five Guys or a JetBlue type of start-up to compete: they'll have trouble getting together enough customers to pool their risk adequately, and even if they do, they won't have as much negotiating leverage as the big guys. Health care providers may demand a better deal or refuse to accept them. As such, they'll never get off the ground.

              Insurance, in other words, is a volume business, the main requirements for which are that (1) you have a lot of money pooled together and that (2) you've been around for awhile.

              CIGNA and Aetna have a lot of money pooled together and they've been around for awhile -- but they don't have as much money, nor have they been around as long, as the federal government. It's possible, certainly, that the profit motive in the insurance industry has driven more innovation than we're giving it credit for. But that isn't my bet, and it isn't George Will's: There's no obvious reason that the government couldn't provide more for less. And if we are wrong, we would find out soon enough: if the public option can't deliver more bang for the buck than private insurers, it wouldn't gain much market share from them, and Will will have nothing to worry about.

              What Will's position reflects instead is ideology: who cares that the federal government could build a better mousetrap? They're the government and that's bad. His argument is really no more sophisticated than that. If a libertarian conservative wants to make this argument, more power to them, but they absolutely should not be turning around and suggesting that a public option would raise health care costs. They're saying, rather, that they're morally opposed to the cost savings that would ensue.

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                What's lacking in the US is basic affordable health care. If you can afford it, you can get amazing health care in the US. But those who are just getting by,( and this is another issue altogether) due to stagnant wages can hardly afford even the most basic care. So they drop out of insurance plans, don't pay their bills, and then the rest of us get saddled with the bill. Making the bill cost twice or more what it should. So costs ARE soaring for the individual who actually PAYS his bills.

                I hear all types of figures of how many people are uninsured. I think most are understated. And then there's the numbers who are insured but still fail to pay their co-pays. The fact is, the bill for medical care in America that is actually being paid by individuals is not sustainable if costs continue at the rate they are going. As costs rise, more drop out of paying into the system and the burden is dumped on fewer and fewer paying individuals. Eventually people are going to decide paying for insurance is for suckers. Then what? And don't forget that America is aging. Costs are only going to rise. Frankly, the level of care HAS to drop, especially for the elderly, or we are sunk. Those can afford it should be allowed to pay more for better care however.

                So something needs to be done to reign in costs and increase efficiency. I'm not completely sold on the idea that some sort of Federal health care reform is the answer, but the fact is what we have now is not sustainable, at least not for the middle class who are not eligible for Medicare yet.

                A lot of younger Americans, or even older ones who've never needed much health care, really don't understand how much health care costs. Those are the ones usually crowing the loudest to keep the current system intact. But just wait until you are older or have a few "pre-existing" health issues, then lose a job or otherwise are forced to find new health insurance. Most would be shocked at 1) the cost, 2) that they may not want your business at all, and 3) how poor the coverage is even if they do accept you.

                I think the best solution to health care lies in a reform of how we handle paying into insurance. Processing claims needs to be more streamlined and efficient. Everyone needs to pay into it that can afford to. Exactly how that is accomplished I have no idea.

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                  The reason we have a healthcare crisis is that heathcare and insurance is more expensive than many people can afford. The problem is only going to get worse as the economy continues to decline.

                  There are 3 solutions:

                  1) People can make do with less healthcare.

                  2) Cost can be reduced by reducing the salaries of doctors and the profits of healthcare institutions, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, or,

                  3) The government can take money from the society through taxation to cover the shortfall. The last solution maintains the comparatively rich lifestyles of many of those in the healthcare, pharmaceutical and insurance professions, by spreading the costs throughout the population. (I'm not surprised that the AMA is for healthcare reform.)

                  I would prefer choice #1 . . . let the people do with less healthcare.

                  This would result in less demand for doctors, hospitals, insurance and drugs, then these professions would have a choice: lose money and jobs, or reduce their profits. I think they would choose the latter, in part forced by competition.

                  As a result, healthcare would become more affordable, and the people would be able to afford heathcare again.
                  Of course, as America adjusts to its proper econonomic level vis a vis the rest of the world, the level of healthcare would never equal what it is today . . . but that's life, eh?
                  raja
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                    While I agree, theoretically, with most of the author's arguments, he sounds like one of those people that has no problem paying for health care and probably hasn't had a serious illness under the current system.

                    Two years ago I had what the doctor believed was a Brain Aneurisym. He told me to get an MRI IMMEDIATELY and called the lab to get me scheduled in asap. The lab had no problem with that, but they needed insurance approval first. My health care claimed I had a pre-existing condition (I had none) and wouldn't do it. Amazingly, they wouldn't tell me what pre-existing condition I theoretically had. I have decades of executive management and sales experience, but it took me 8-10 HOURS on the phone getting authorization from a ridiculous insurance bureacruacy, that I'm now postive was intentionally created to impede by efforts, during which I very easily could have died. This is despite being on one of the most well known plans in the nation and having been illness free and payment current for many many years.

                    Our current system is broken badly. The author tenders no method for fixing it and I see no entity willing or strong enough to fix it save the government. I'm not a fan of socialism, but in this unfortunate case, I'm prepared to take the risks the author tenders, in exchange for a new shot at something better.

                    The author strongly implies that the USA is making virtually all of the medical breakthroughs in the world. This is simply false, not to mention insulting to many great medical institutions, professionals, companies, and labs worldwide.

                    The problem with capitalism when it comes to heath care, is that no individual wants to compromise on saving their life or their health. Yet a compromise must be made. Currently the insurance companies assume this role, with their far-removed bureacracies mostly motivated by the desire for money. I'm not sure that life and death decisions are best left in the hands of somebody hoping to make a profit from me.

                    Comparatively, I'd rather have an inefficient bureacrat make those decisions than an insurance executive who is financially motivated to let me die.

                    I don't care for the idea of the government making decisions regarding my health. But I hate the idea of the money grubbing insurance companies making them even more. I speak from experience.

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                      1. health care costs ARE soaring. and it's not true that we're just getting our money's worth- great care for a great expenditure. i used to think u.s. health statistics weren't very good because we had a 2 tier system- the folks with money and insurance had great statistics, but were dragged down by the poor and uninsured. turns out i was wrong. even the wealthy and insured are relatively unhealthy compared to other advanced countries. i think most of that is probably culture and lifestyle- nutrition, exercise, that sort of thing. but the bottom line is that we are not getting superior outcomes for very, very "superior" expenditures.

                      2. private insurers are- as institutions- evil. i don't know how else to put it. they spend a lot of money finding ways NOT to spend money on their policy holders' medical care, and call spending on their policy holders' care their "medical loss ratio." trust me, i deal with this daily. my favorite and true story: when zyban [bupropion] was first licensed for smoking cessation, one insurer immediately forbade the prescription of bupropion under the name zyban or wellbutrin [bupropion for depression] without prior approval. you'd think smoking cessation would be an attractive thing for a HEALTH MAINTENANCE organization. but their analysis - related to me by someone who sat on their pharmacy review committee- was that, on average, policy holders change carriers every 2 years, and by the time you developed emphysema, heart disease or cancer you'd have a different insurer to pick up the tab.

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                        Originally posted by Fiat Currency View Post
                        I go to many countries and see price mismatches everywhere after considering currency. Calling us parasites is rather self-serving. Perhaps we should use the same term when comparing oil & gas consumption per person. and stop "dumping" our products on those parasites to our South.
                        ...I was thinking the same thing as I read the post. Happy to see one of our northern cousins caught it first.

                        In response to the original post, my preference would be for the government to properly regulate the insurance industry and stay out of the insurance and medical business. Build a structure and incentive system so that health care is available for almost all citizens. Our current structure where your health care is tied to your job doesn't work well but that doesn't mean we should throw it out.

                        The idea of rationing is an interesting one. If you consider that the best health care is available for the least money to people working for various government entities and those who are unionized, you would think they would be the last people pushing for single payer health care.

                        It was an interesting read but anytime I'm reading an unapolegetic free market/Friedmanesque hit piece I think - "great, brought to you by the same people that gave you the CDO, MBS and $11.6T in debt"

                        I'm moving to Canada, I'm tired of you US energy parasites...:rolleyes:

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                          Some snips from various posts above.

                          Originally posted by Asness
                          You cannot judge the “cost” of something by simply what you spend. You must also judge what you get.
                          .
                          Imagine a person is to be prevented from spending their hard earned money on their or their children’s health care, or a doctor was prevented from earning what he could in a parallel free system after all his training and work.
                          .
                          As long as workers get full value for their healthcare dollars, it shouldn't matter whether companies pay in cash or in health benefits. The competitiveness issue is an important one, but healthcare costs versus wages versus taxes to pay for public health care is a minor detail in it. The main thing is not how it’s divided up but total costs, and total value received by the worker. Costs are minimized, and value received maximized, by open competition.
                          Originally posted by flintlock
                          If you can afford it, you can get amazing health care in the US.

                          A lot of younger Americans, or even older ones who've never needed much health care, really don't understand how much health care costs.
                          Originally posted by raja
                          I would prefer choice #1 . . . let the people do with less healthcare.

                          This would result in less demand for doctors, hospitals, insurance and drugs, then these professions would have a choice: lose money and jobs, or reduce their profits. I think they would choose the latter, in part forced by competition.

                          Originally posted by MarkL
                          The problem with capitalism when it comes to heath care, is that no individual wants to compromise on saving their life or their health.
                          .
                          I don't care for the idea of the government making decisions regarding my health. But I hate the idea of the money grubbing insurance companies making them even more.

                          Originally posted by jk
                          1. health care costs ARE soaring. and it's not true that we're just getting our money's worth- great care for a great expenditure. i used to think u.s. health statistics weren't very good because we had a 2 tier system- the folks with money and insurance had great statistics, but were dragged down by the poor and uninsured. turns out i was wrong. even the wealthy and insured are relatively unhealthy compared to other advanced countries. i think most of that is probably culture and lifestyle- nutrition, exercise, that sort of thing. but the bottom line is that we are not getting superior outcomes for very, very "superior" expenditures.
                          Originally posted by santafe
                          If you consider that the best health care is available for the least money to people working for various government entities and those who are unionized, you would think they would be the last people pushing for single payer health care.
                          I was not taken much by anything Asness wrote except it was one man's opinion, and we are all free to have our opinions.

                          I might have a different perspective about some of this issue in that I delivered, or tried to deliver, healthcare 25 years as a dentist for two of those and as an oral surgeon either in training or practice (out in the city as well as from in a university hosptial) for the remainder. The other part of my perspective has only occurred in a bit less than the last five years: the perpective of a healthcare consumer by virtue of wife's and my seeking heatlhcare. Part of the dilemma for us has been just the issue of finding who might be a "good" doctor, and this brings to focus some of the snips I quoted that stuck out to me in all the posts down to santafe's.

                          Words or phrases that caught my attention were: "You must judge what you get." "full value for healthcare dollars," "value," "amazing healthcare in the U.S.," "how much healthcare costs," "forced by competition," "capitalism when it comes to healthcare, "idea of government making decisions regarding my health," "not getting superior outcomes for superior expenditures," "best healthcare is available;" oh, and the one in red by Asness.

                          I would bet that none of you besides jk, knows WTF you are opining with regard to judging what one gets, the value of what one receives, or the true quality of US healthcare, and I write that way not to put down your opinion, but to emphasize that few of us, including me, are capable of assessing just what is the true medical value for which we may at times almost shovel out dollars. The reason, I believe, is that the value is very difficult to assess, and anyone caring to argue otherwise is invited to chime in. The costs of doctors is largely based on what they believe they should receive for various intellectual or interventional efforts, that is opposed to perhaps some never-achieveable utopian system where cost is actually determined by the value a patient receives.

                          "Capitalism" is not applicable to the practice of medicine, as there is no true competition involving costs between doctors, there probably are seeming exceptions when insurance companies contract with groups, but on a doctor-to-doctor comparison there is no competition, and I don't think there ever will be. Example. Try to find out what one doctor would charge you for a total knee replacement vs. what another would charge. I believe in Fort Worth it would run you at least three hours of your time and about $400 just to get a quote. Totally impractical, for most people, and certainly for hourly workers.

                          Very little to perhaps no medical care in the US is dispensed except by licensed practicioners, and as such, no insurance company nor the goverment actually make decisons about what an individual might actually need. Doctors make those decisons as to what they think you might (at times) need, and I won't argue that denial of coverage is necessarily an appropriate restraint on unnecessary testing or care, but otherwise as far as I know there is little to no restraint of doctors prescibing tests, treatments, operations (some exceptions exists within hospitals). Counter arguments invited.

                          According to the CIA Factbook (no idea as to the validity of this) the US ranks 50th down the list of countries with regard to length of life expectancy--which I put forth as one sort of global measure of quality of care. https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html


                          Nor do I know of the validity of what follows the bullets below.







                          National Health Care Spending http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml
                          • In 2008, health care spending in the United States reached $2.4 trillion, and was projected to reach $3.1 trillion in 2012.1 Health care spending is projected to reach $4.3 trillion by 2016.1
                          • Health care spending is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense.3
                          • In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2017.1
                          • Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.3
                          • Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.4
                          flintlock wrote: "A lot of younger Americans, or even older ones who've never needed much health care, really don't understand how much health care costs." If I may offer a minor disagreement with his opinion. Patients damned well do know once they received their bills, assuming any inclination toward paying them off. They also damned well will know before undergoing procedures at certain institutions, e.g. get a colonoscopy in some outpatient unit.

                          Asness wrote: a doctor was prevented from earning what he could in a parallel free system after all his training and work.

                          Physicians, and even some dentists, are by selection into their schools smart guys and girls. An anecdote: I was talking with a German professor I had in college 25 five years after I took his classes, and we were discussing one of my classmates in German and later in dental school and cheating came up regarding him in the German class, as it had also later come up while we were in dental school, and the professor, Herr Wolverton, volunteered cheating was much more frequently seen, suspicioned, or proven in his experience with those in pre-med. Pardon the anecdote.

                          Most physicians, I think "most" if most are specialists, do spend a lot of time and work to achieve their specialty status. But time and work in themselves offers no assurance that the quality of or dedication to their practice of the art and science is equal across the spectrum of any group. I would expect that how "good" doctors are in any group would follow the distribution of a bell curve, and if so, then not all by any means are equally "good." And I challenge anyone reading this to define how a lay person, which almost all patients are, can repeatedly, or even occasionally, select whoever is a "good" doctor of the type he/she may need. Maybe Steve Jobs and Ted Kennedy have some serious capability to determine who might be their best bets medically, but such is not the lot for average US citizens. Here I have seen two doctors not in the same practice, but in a common billing system, charge exactly the same fee (like $116) for rendering the same CPT treatment code. So in this instance, quality of care has zip to do with what is charged.

                          Now if you buy into the near universal wisdom that doctors are smart, they worked hard, and that medical science is significantly complicated and forever changing, and that whatever they earn, they are necessarily due. To that I truly say "hogwash."

                          Next time a doctor recommends a treatment for any of you, ask him whether or not he is sure this treatment will work? Now if he/she is smart, has worked hard, has stayed abreast of advances, why shouldn't the doctor's recommendations be necessarily assured to produce the sought after result? You might evoke some humility from him/her with an answer like, "Well, you know we (the doctors) are just humans dealing with humans." If there is no near certainty, then why does it cost so much? Because he/she worked hard, is smart, stays abreast? The system we have is set to compensate doctors for what they see as the value of their efforts; I honestly do not believe there is any other area of consumption in the US where so little is focused on value received and it occurs with healthcare because in medicine it is so difficult to determine, and so the system has never, and will never operate on a basis of value received.

                          Final test you can give the next doctor you see. Ask him when he is done what is the charge for the visit and see if he knows, or ask him what will be the costs of the tests he's ordered, or the cost of the prescription he has written, or the cost of the operation he is to perform, or the cost of the associated hospitalization. My opinion, perhaps wrongly, is that those with the least knowledge of the cost of healthcare are those prescribing it.
                          Last edited by Jim Nickerson; July 19, 2009, 02:59 AM.
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                            Re: Asness writes another letter...

                            Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                            I might have a different perspective about some of this issue in that I delivered, or tried to deliver, healthcare 25 years as a dentist for two of those and as an oral surgeon either in training or practice (out in the city as well as from in a university hosptial) for the remainder.
                            I have a different impression of dentists than I do of certain other doctors, especially internists and those specializing in matters relating to heart and cardio-vascular disease and to cancer.

                            Perhaps because I have many, many hours in a dentists chair (crowns, bridges, implants, fillings and such) I tend to trust dentistry to be a "good" specialty, and find dentists to have skills of varying level. I shop around to find good ones in various ways, and really good ones can be found. By a "good" specialty, I mean that dentistry as taught and practiced usually involves procedures, techniques and tools that are well suited for their purpose and provide affective results for reasonable costs.

                            The cardio and cancer specialty have in my mind become "bad" specialties, deeply corrupted by enormous money interests. I avoid entrusting a mainstream orthodox practioner of such specialities with my non-emergency care. Fortunately I have far less experience with cardiologists or oncologists; but this means that perhaps my distrust is really do to this inexperience.

                            So, back to your post Jim, a couple of comments:
                            1. Perhaps your experience in dentistry doesn't apply to some other medical specialties. I couldn't tell from your post how much of your perspective came from your own practice in dentristry and how much came from dealing with the personal medical needs of your wife and yourself. Do you see systemic problems with some medical specialities more than others?
                            2. I was a bit unsure of what were the key points of your post (sorry.) Were you saying that doctors come in varied quality, like plumbers, car mechanics and stock analysts, and that it is the patients responsibility to manage their own health care, their choice of doctors and their medical costs, just as they do for other trades and professions?
                            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                              Re: Asness writes another letter...

                              Originally posted by jk View Post
                              1. health care costs ARE soaring. and it's not true that we're just getting our money's worth- great care for a great expenditure. i used to think u.s. health statistics weren't very good because we had a 2 tier system- the folks with money and insurance had great statistics, but were dragged down by the poor and uninsured. turns out i was wrong. even the wealthy and insured are relatively unhealthy compared to other advanced countries. i think most of that is probably culture and lifestyle- nutrition, exercise, that sort of thing. but the bottom line is that we are not getting superior outcomes for very, very "superior" expenditures.

                              2. private insurers are- as institutions- evil. i don't know how else to put it. they spend a lot of money finding ways NOT to spend money on their policy holders' medical care, and call spending on their policy holders' care their "medical loss ratio." trust me, i deal with this daily. my favorite and true story: when zyban [bupropion] was first licensed for smoking cessation, one insurer immediately forbade the prescription of bupropion under the name zyban or wellbutrin [bupropion for depression] without prior approval. you'd think smoking cessation would be an attractive thing for a HEALTH MAINTENANCE organization. but their analysis - related to me by someone who sat on their pharmacy review committee- was that, on average, policy holders change carriers every 2 years, and by the time you developed emphysema, heart disease or cancer you'd have a different insurer to pick up the tab.

                              Another view...from the LSE's Willem Buiter...
                              The inevitable socialisation of health care financing

                              July 7, 2009 6:05pm

                              Private insurance only works if there is risk. If the risk is eliminated, profitable insurance is impossible. This holds for health insurance as it holds for credit default swaps. When risk vanishes, insurance turns into redistribution. That’s a task for the state, whether through the tax payer or by mandated pooling in quasi-private insurance schemes of individuals with known heterogeneous health profiles...

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