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  • Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

    http://www.businessinsider.com/chine...e-crazy-2009-7

    Despite the collapse of foreign demand, China is still growing its economy -- then again, it'd be kind of hard not to be with the kind of lending going on with Chinese banks.

    New lending in June hit $224 billion (1.53 trillion Yuan) double from just May. No wonder car sales are up; banks there are forcing money down the throats of borrowers.

    We already wrote about this last month, and got this comment from user rawb, which, if genuine, is rather telling:
    I'm in Beijing currently and I was walking with a 24 year old grad student and she was telling me how last week she got a phone call (random) from a bank (more random) offering her 10,000 RMB personal loan at a fixed rate. She studies economics, and she didn't really understand it, but was curious.

    So she asked them what this loan was for and they tell her to buy stuff... personal consumption, whatever she wants. No limits really. Just go spend some money.

    She's not quite adept enough to recognize this is a bubble and a disaster in the long run, but she did recognize it as very odd. She told them she's going to NYC to study in August, and so she wouldn't be suitable for this loan, but they persisted and told her that, no, that's even better, as NYC has many nice things to buy!

    ... seriously. not a joke. I know it's anecdotal but whatever.

    Professor Michael Pettis adds some insight, which should terrify you:
    Today bank stocks were down, on rumors that the very high and clearly unsustainable loan growth rates would soon come to an end. If you need any evidence of how topsy-turvy things have become that fact should be enough.

    Under “normal” circumstances the possibility that banks would continue to force new loan growth at anywhere near the current rates should raise terrible concerns about an explosion in future loan losses and cause bank stocks to collapse. Instead, it is concern that this lending spree might come to an end that causes bank stocks to fall.

    Of course this might not be totally irrational. If you believe, as most of us do, that there is an implicit guarantee by the government on future loan losses, then this is clearly a heads-we-win, tails-the-government-loses proposition. Let them pile on the loans at the guaranteed spread between lending and deposit rates.

    Lovely. Massive lending, an implicit guarantee, a heads-we-win, tails-you-lose betting scenario... what could go wrong?

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    Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

    This is very interesting.

    Can some other ituliper point to additional info on this new credit bubble?

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    • #3
      Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

      I bet that 90% of all personal loans of this sort ends up in Macau or the stock market. The chinese mentality is to invest or speculate, and not to buy stuff. This tactic will fail 100%.

      It would be better to just give out shopping credits like what the Japanese did to force people to spend.

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        Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

        Ah, reckless lending- my little ray of hope.

        Please, please, please let this create mass speculation in the Chinese stock market.

        So the valuations at least double.

        And I can get back the value of Chinese stocks I lost in the crash.

        And I can cash out.

        And get my life savings back.

        And go to a strictly "E.J." style Treasuries + Gold port. :-)

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          Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

          Originally posted by pianodoctor View Post
          Ah, reckless lending- my little ray of hope.

          Please, please, please let this create mass speculation in the Chinese stock market.

          So the valuations at least double.

          And I can get back the value of Chinese stocks I lost in the crash.


          Sure, but you must have very good timing. You don't want to be still in it once some old man in the politburo decides that the money is all going into stocks, and the super efficient henchmen will then announce out of the blue that all loans cannot be used in buying stocks or the bank will recall them.

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          • #6
            Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

            Its about time. They are finally cultivating the 0 generation of debt slavery. We are way ahead of them. We don't even remember how to speak the old world language of money. We have long been on the Cambel's Tomato soup and sliced bread of debt.

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            • #7
              Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

              I can mention it again. I have a friend who is working at the biggest bank in China, there is absolutely no sign in in my conversation with her, that she is fearful of the future. Optimism in China seems to be much higher than in the US. For them it's and other emerging market's it's just to restart credit growth, through low interest rates. Similar to how the US pulled out of recessions before. (now the US pulled out, and will stimulate the economy by printing money, a big difference to other recessions) The Yield Curve in Brazil is like in the US in around mid 1982 ,Brazil won't have to print like the US, they have low consumer debt, the right level of interest rates, etc..Meaning that consumers in Brazil, as predictable this is, will just do as the monkey consumer in the US before: just go out and borrow and spend.

              For China it's like putting the economy into a higher gear, through using the strengthening exchange rate, and increasing consumer credit, as US money printing and the psychology this brings of hot money inflows (into China and other emerging market) enable them to run a very high pace of credit expansion without getting problems with inflation.

              A stagnant/ sticky consuming pattern in the west when it comes to food, oil, and some other commodities, , while emerging market's go on with their boom, will lead to much higher prices, but that will be especially noticeable in some commodities like sugar, and things like fertilizer.

              Think of the Nikkei from 1975-1989, increasing around 20 times in value from the bear market low to the peak in 89. That's where China are headed. Of course, the Nikkei was even a bubble in 1974, when it had increased 5 times as much as the dow in the last years leading up to it. But like with the Nikkei, I think the Shanghai index is a superbubble.

              The difference between the Sensex, and the Shanghai index, is that the Shanghai index went up more in one big move, from 2005. But now, it's even despite how much it have went up, in my opinion still cheaper than the Sensex. (relative to the general emerging market trend)
              Last edited by nero3; July 17, 2009, 02:17 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Chinese Banks Are Lending Like Crazy

                Shanghai or Beijing does not represent the whole China.

                The timing of the Xinjiang riots and looting of shops and China's announcement of the green dam censoring software is of no coincidence. One of the ways to deter and suppress rebellions is by filtering information. The authorities already knew that massive dissent can breakout anytime.

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