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  • Paper, Scissors, Gold

    I don't see this posted elsewhere. It looks like comex has defaulted on gold delivery:

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot...-for-gold.html


    16 July 2009
    Paper, Scissors, Gold


    As you may have heard recently, the Comex has asserted their right under their rules to deliver the equivalent paper interest in Exchange Traded Funds such as GLD in lieu of the delivery of physical bullion for those standing for delivery under the rules of the commodity exchange.

    Is GLD really the same as physical bullion?

    "...it appears that a lot of investors believe and trust that investing in GLD is the same thing as buying physical gold bullion. A close reading and analysis of the GLD Prospectus, however, reveals that investing in GLD is drastically different from owning gold. This analysis will show why GLD is nothing more than another form of a derivative security which is loaded with counter-party default risk."
    Owning GLD Can Be Hazardous to Your Wealth

    Here is a recent statement from Dennis Gartman who most often derides those he calls 'goldbugs.'

    "To finish, we do agree that recent decisions to allow for the "delivery" of ETF shares in the stead of actual physical gold against a futures position does cause us some concern. Indeed, it causes us some very real concern, for if we stand for delivery of wheat we expect to receive wheat, not paper. The same holds true for delivery processes on the COMEX, and if GATA and the "Bugs" have a complaint it is this new decision by the COMEX. On this, we’ll grant that the "Bugs" have something to complain about." Dennis Gartman in The Gartman Letter

    We have often said that when the real crisis of liquidity comes, and the final flight to safety from the credit bubble collapse begins in earnest, the exchanges will alter the rules to allow for cash and paper settlement of claims for bullion, which they cannot or will not be able to deliver at the agreed upon prices.

    This is what makes the current structure of the short positions held by a few banks on the precious metals exchanges a 'racket,' a type of Ponzi scheme where the same thing is sold repeatedly with no means of satisfying the aggregate of the claims and ownership.

    We are sure the Comex is "well capitalized," and will continue to be so, even as it is rocked by de facto delivery failures and the substitution of more paper to back up the general failure of paper.

    The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.

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    Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

    Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
    I don't see this posted elsewhere. It looks like comex has defaulted on gold delivery:

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot...-for-gold.html


    16 July 2009
    Paper, Scissors, Gold


    As you may have heard recently, the Comex has asserted their right under their rules to deliver the equivalent paper interest in Exchange Traded Funds such as GLD in lieu of the delivery of physical bullion for those standing for delivery under the rules of the commodity exchange.

    Is GLD really the same as physical bullion?

    "...it appears that a lot of investors believe and trust that investing in GLD is the same thing as buying physical gold bullion. A close reading and analysis of the GLD Prospectus, however, reveals that investing in GLD is drastically different from owning gold. This analysis will show why GLD is nothing more than another form of a derivative security which is loaded with counter-party default risk."
    Owning GLD Can Be Hazardous to Your Wealth

    Here is a recent statement from Dennis Gartman who most often derides those he calls 'goldbugs.'

    "To finish, we do agree that recent decisions to allow for the "delivery" of ETF shares in the stead of actual physical gold against a futures position does cause us some concern. Indeed, it causes us some very real concern, for if we stand for delivery of wheat we expect to receive wheat, not paper. The same holds true for delivery processes on the COMEX, and if GATA and the "Bugs" have a complaint it is this new decision by the COMEX. On this, we’ll grant that the "Bugs" have something to complain about." Dennis Gartman in The Gartman Letter

    We have often said that when the real crisis of liquidity comes, and the final flight to safety from the credit bubble collapse begins in earnest, the exchanges will alter the rules to allow for cash and paper settlement of claims for bullion, which they cannot or will not be able to deliver at the agreed upon prices.

    This is what makes the current structure of the short positions held by a few banks on the precious metals exchanges a 'racket,' a type of Ponzi scheme where the same thing is sold repeatedly with no means of satisfying the aggregate of the claims and ownership.

    We are sure the Comex is "well capitalized," and will continue to be so, even as it is rocked by de facto delivery failures and the substitution of more paper to back up the general failure of paper.

    The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.
    OMG, scary stuff. Does anyone have any knowledge if it is safe to purchase gold or silver certificate from the Bank of Nova Scotia? The cost of taking possession of silver(premium, handling and delivery) is quite high.
    Last edited by skyson; July 17, 2009, 10:14 AM.

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    • #3
      Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

      It's starting to feel like there could be a run on physical gold, much like a panicked bank run. That can only be good for the price of physical gold and the iTulip community of investors. We'll all be able to afford that wished-for iTulip convention in New Zealand.

      On a related note, if we've got all of our gold buried in our backyard, how will a gold run affect the price of our real estate?;) Don't tell the property tax appraiser about your little "improvement". Picture of fellow iTuliper jtabeb?...
      "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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      • #4
        Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

        What are most itulipers opinion on silver? Is there a post someone where everyone discusses the benefits and downside to silver?

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        • #5
          Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

          Originally posted by Kadriana View Post
          What are most itulipers opinion on silver? Is there a post someone where everyone discusses the benefits and downside to silver?
          the official position is "just say no".

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          • #6
            Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

            DJIA falls 7% while gold rises 14%: DJIA/gold ratio reversion continues
            http://itulip.com/forums/showthread....8527#post48527

            iTulip position on gold/silver/platinum.

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            • #7
              Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

              2 points:

              2. observers such as bill fleckenstein think silver will eventually outperform gold but will experience more volatility along the way. fwiw, my own holdings are roughly 24% gold, 8% silver.

              1. if you are looking for a way of holding pm's in a brokerage account with a bit more certainty than gld and slv, e.g. audited holdings instead of unsegregated claims, consider the canadian closed end funds, cef and gtu. [these are also subject to capital gains, not collectible, treatment, which explains part of their premium.]

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              • #8
                Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

                Originally posted by Kadriana View Post
                What are most itulipers opinion on silver? Is there a post someone where everyone discusses the benefits and downside to silver?
                I prefer my silver to be gold-plated.

                More seriously, I own some silver as a hedge against potential confiscation of gold. I personally believe the threat of gold confiscation to be quite low, but hey, it's not without historical precedent. Also encouraging* are the articles I've read about how little physical silver is actually in existence and how a catostrophe-induced spike in demand could cause the increase in the price of silver to skyrocket as a result of the relatively small supply.

                *And by "encouraging" I mean I typically need to change my shorts after reading said articles.
                "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                • #9
                  Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

                  I own silver via CEF as well. Against the standard iTulip dogma, I also own a silver miner (PAAS). I figured if Fleckenstein was a director (and I do subscribe to his site) it has to be halfway reliable.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

                    Originally posted by rjwjr View Post
                    I prefer my silver to be gold-plated.

                    More seriously, I own some silver as a hedge against potential confiscation of gold. I personally believe the threat of gold confiscation to be quite low, but hey, it's not without historical precedent. Also encouraging* are the articles I've read about how little physical silver is actually in existence and how a catostrophe-induced spike in demand could cause the increase in the price of silver to skyrocket as a result of the relatively small supply.

                    *And by "encouraging" I mean I typically need to change my shorts after reading said articles.
                    You have a much stronger stomach than I do; I still have some but way down from my high. Turned most of it into Gold last March, I couldn’t handle the volatility. One day you feel rich the next day I would have to put my guns away if you know what I mean lol. I used to read Ted Nutler and Jason Hummer. No more of that BS for me

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                    • #11
                      Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

                      Originally posted by aaron View Post
                      DJIA falls 7% while gold rises 14%: DJIA/gold ratio reversion continues
                      http://itulip.com/forums/showthread....8527#post48527

                      iTulip position on gold/silver/platinum.
                      Please note that at the time we stated the iTulip position on gold, silver, and platinum on June 19, 2008, silver traded at $17.36, gold at $894, and platinum at $1,149. The position was positive on gold and negative on silver and platinum.

                      Today silver trades at $13.41, gold at $937, and platinum at $1,172.
                      Ed.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Paper, Scissors, Gold

                        http://seekingalpha.com/article/1484...d?source=email

                        Seems Comex ain't the only one running out of the yellow metal.

                        Here's the REAL market:

                        http://www.24hgold.com/english/buy_s...s.aspx?co_id=0

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