Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

[radon]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

This nation was founded by god fearing christian men.

And it still suffers from puritanical superstitions. You act like it was a good thing. Scripture was used to justify all sorts of immoral acts.

No one wants the establishment of religous morals upon anyone.

I would argue that organized religion exists for no other reason.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

OK, I think you have made your point that many U.S. presidents, aside from George Bush Jr. have mixed religion into politics, including George Washington. Fair enough.

Thank you for your very detailed reply.

Nevertheless, I am quite worried about mixing religion with politics, and I want church and state separate. I am quite fearful of the religious-right even though I might agree with them on many issues. I do NOT want them preaching and speaking in code like "accountable education" when they talk and when they govern.

And having worked in the schools in California under George Bush Jr, I can tell you what "accountable education" meant: It meant control of the public schools by Washington, not by teachers and not by school boards. It meant God crap and flag worship; timed standardized testing; English-only; the brainwashing of children with the rightwing's version of history; it meant extreme American nationalism, maybe even xenophobia; it meant phonics and penmanship; it meant a 19th Century curriculum including endless long division and endless drills; it meant an education for children that was totally worthless for them in the 21st C.

I am NOT sold on Sarah because I am quite familiar with what the Christian-right does once it gets into power. I do NOT want those devils back, EVER.

And look at the mess now, with supply-side economics. California is bankrupt and so is America. We are drowning in debt because we could not grow our way out of it.

No, Sarah, you should stay in Alaska.

[flintlock]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

Well I consider myself fairly conservative on most issues, and I still think Palin is not qualified . That's not to say that most candidates these days are, but she really doesn't have a lot of experience at anything. Mayor of Wasilla? Come on. That's kind of a joke to even mention. Governor of a state with the population of a medium sized city, and she couldn't handle that job. The sad truth is, you really don't need a lot of experience to be president since its become a beauty contest where how you look or speak weighs much more heavily than your judgment, education, or character. Sorry, but I look for more on the resume than beauty pageant winner or "networking and people skills". She really wasn't even qualified to be governor. Her seeking the presidency is an insult to the office.

How about some military, or high level CEO experience? The job is about leadership and judgement. I agree the media jumped on her like a pitbull that won't let go, but she even handled that poorly, which gave me a glimpse into what she'd be like under pressure. Your next door neighbor may have a view on issues that you agree with, but that's not reason enough to elect him president. There is no substitute for experience in my opinion, and she simply doesn't have it. Let her gain a cabinet position and try her out for a few years and maybe my opinion would change, but as of now she simply does not have enough of a track record to judge anything by.

And I found her resignation bizarre. There is more to the story here. She has a lot of flack surrounding her short term as Governor for someone who at one time had a 93% approval rating. I'm sure most complaints against her are just politics, but something in their finances don't particularly add up to me. Net worth of $1.2 million while most of her life she never made more than about $50k, her husband not much more all while raising raising 4 kids. A $552,000 lakefront home, and a seaplane. I mean its certainly possible, and they could even have family money, I don't know. But people who run for governor can't usually do it on $100k year because they simply can't afford to miss the work to do it. It would not surprise me one bit if some of the accusations are true and that is the reason for the resignation. The daughter's boyfriend mentioned they were in deep debt to her lawyers and if thats the case I don't blame her a bit. I really doubt we'll see a Palin running for President next time round. I do think she'll still be around in politics though.

[cjppjc]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

Personally I believe you iTullip people should host a debate on climate change between Prince Charles and Sarah Palin - following iTullip's climate change thread, I believe these two would be ideal to bridge the impasse.

The best of the United Kindom vs. the best of America - battle of the Atlantic.

I believe the Battle of the Atlantic.......... should be fought with guns.:rolleyes:

[Ghent12]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

Her first 100 days in office have been terrible!

Aside from that, the comment about Palin/Schiff 2012 made me vomit a little. Mega, you do realize that Schiff believes the Republican Party should completely divest itself of almost all social issues, right? Pretty sure that wouldn't happen under a Palin regime.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've miraculously found a new porn site...
(Seriously though, how odd would it be to have a President that could be considered hot?)

[lb]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

So how is Sarah different again?

In all of those quotes regarding Christianity, none of our forefathers presuppose they are some kind of chosen instrument. The majority of those quote refer to teachings and morality. That is not an evangelical/Sarah's point of view.

[GRG55]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

I can't speak for liberals, but IMO I don't think she's fit for office because she lacks intelligence and experience . . . .

Exactly when did these become criteria for Republican candidates? :rolleyes:

[radon]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

Shes not evangelical. She was raised Catholic and is now a non-denominational christian. For a list of her policy beliefs please see-attached. Interesting fact is that her father was a science teacher that tought her evolution. So to think she believes that the world started 6,000 years ago is unreasonable.

http://www.ontheissues.org/sarah_Palin.htm

Her father obviously didn't do a very good job if she wants creationism taught alongside it. She also supports pseudo scientific rubbish like intelligent design.

[Ghent12]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

This is actually a parody of what the press would have been saying if Sarah was President. All of the events described in this article are what Obama has done but gotten a pass for. Don't know if that was your point but funny anyway.

It was indeed.

[snakela]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

(Seriously though, how odd would it be to have a President that could be considered hot?)

About as odd as having a president considered black.

[Slimprofits]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

This is actually a parody of what the press would have been saying if Sarah was President. All of the events described in this article are what Obama has done but gotten a pass for. Don't know if that was your point but funny anyway.

If the New York Post, every Clear Channel AM-talk station, the Washington Times, the Wall Street Journal group, Fox News, Fox Business and CNBC are not mainstream press entities than what are they?

That those entities are not mainstream press outlets is easily one of the most amusing memes from the Left-Right culture wars.

[Mashuri]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

I don't like her for President because the entities really in control (banks) don't fear her.

[raja]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

So how exactly does she lack intelligence and experience. She has succeded at everything she has attemted and has a history of very high approval ratings from her constituents. Is it that she didn't go to Harvard or Yale? That she wasn't a community activist that won her first political election not by a vote but by disqualifying all of her opponents instead of letting the people choose.

Intelligence is something that can be sensed intuitively. Do I have copies of a low I.Q. score for her? No.

Regards experience, I'm not talking about a resume. I'm talking about experiences that deepen a person. That, too, can be sensed. (By the way, some people are immune to deepening regardless of their experiences.)

I can't provide objective proof to you, because I don't have any. Nevertheless, I stand by what I said.

[Munger]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

So how exactly does she lack intelligence and experience. She has succeded at everything she has attemted and has a history of very high approval ratings from her constituents. Is it that she didn't go to Harvard or Yale? That she wasn't a community activist that won her first political election not by a vote but by disqualifying all of her opponents instead of letting the people choose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Palmer_(Illinois_politician)
"After her defeat, Palmer ran for re-election to her State Senate seat and filed nominating petitions with 1,580 signatures on December 18, 1995—the last day to file nominating petitions.^[8] Obama challenged Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions and those of the three other prospective candidates. Nearly two-thirds of the signatures on Palmer's nominating petitions were found to be invalid, leaving her almost 200 signatures short of the required 757 signatures of registered voters residing in the Senate district; neither of the other three prospective candidates had the required number of valid signatures, leaving Obama, who had filed nominating petitions with over 3,000 signatures on the first filing day, as the only candidate to earn a place on the March 1996 Democratic primary ballot.^[9][10]"

That she hasn't written a self serving Autobiograpy twice? I am not a supporter but she is facing the most vicious personal attack by the left wing. Starting from SNL portraying her as dumb. (If she was a minority they would have heard loud protests from the left at her portrayal. So much for the lefts support of woman's rights). Continued by the blogs and MSM. They are portraying her as a Dumb Good Looking Woman remember the PILF comments? That because she is a good looking woman she cannot be smart or experienced? There is no way she is less qualified then Mr. Obama. I am sure there are a lot of dumb people with no experience who have a similar history of high level success:rolleyes:.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Just a thought maybe they see her as the Populist counter to Obama and they have been trying to discredit her from day one. If they weren't worried that she was a formidable opponent would they even waste their time with the PR spin. But as you know in politics if you say it enough it must be true.

[Munger]

Re: Sarah Palin on energy policy (Washington Post)

Some presidents are orthodox christian. Indeed, most of the later. Many of the earlier (and best) were not.

I don't have the time or inclination to go through them all, but here are a few choice items:

The Thomas Jefferson Bible

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

T.Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."

B. Franklin

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."

J. Madison

(in a letter to his nephew) "Candor compels me to say that Mr. Lincoln could hardly be termed a devout believer in the authenticity of the Bible (but this is for your ears only)."

"The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."

Lincoln's first law partner, John T. Stuart, said of him: "He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on atheism. He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I have ever heard."

A. Lincoln

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

J. Adams

"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith."

"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies."

T. Paine