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  • #16
    Re: California defaults!

    Originally posted by metalman View Post


    bonar : n. 1. a debt instrument backed by the full faith and credit of the latest corrupt US political regime; 2. a share in USA, Inc., a technically bankrupt Enronesque nation whose monetary institutions have been alternately managed by crooks and fools; 3. a currency which will eventually be valued at a rate of $1,000,000 bonars to one barrel of oil; 4. the currency issued by the United States of America, formerly know as the US dollar. See "US dollar."


    Getting Paid in IOUs
    California's Bingo Bondage

    By CARLOS BENEMANN

    ...

    Left to itself, California is toast.

    A similar problem was faced by the provinces (States) in Argentina in 2001. Argentine Provincial governments issued the same kind of fancy engraved paper warrants (called bonos, i.e. bonds). Problem was nobody wanted them, not even the provincial banks because they carried no interest. The neat solution to make them desirable to the general population was that once a week, there was a lottery called over radio and TV that would call out the serial numbers on the lucky winning "bonos" and you could win a car, a motorcycle, a dishwasher, even a house if your winning IOU number came up. Of course the idea was to get people to retain the money for as long as possible. It sort of worked for a while and the bonos became paper flood in all kinds of horrendous astronomically high denominations. (Guaranteed by the good name and faith of the local Argentine government!!). Right!

    Just picture a poorly paid local state employee and his taxi driving son and their large families sitting in their cramped, modest living room at night shuffling stacks of the IOU's around as the string of winning numbers are called out on the radio. I witnessed this. (Of course the big winners always turned out to be the governor's mistress or some such, but that is Argentina and another story).

    Pretty soon, every province and city government in Argentina issued it's own "bingo bonds" but you could not take this quasimoney "out of state" so to speak because they had zip zero zilch value outside their own local jurisdiction. (No value whatsoever in fact because everyone had their own competing lottery)

    ..

    http://www.counterpunch.org/benemann07062009.html

    there is a solution

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    • #17
      Re: California defaults!

      Originally posted by rj1 View Post
      There is one way I can think of. The U.S. government can pitch in.
      There will be a revolt in the federal government pitches in. People don't really understand the consequences of a state defaulting, they just know they don't want anymore bailouts. Heck, I've heard some Californians say they don't want the state bailed out.

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      • #18
        Re: California defaults!

        Originally posted by Kadriana View Post
        There will be a revolt in the federal government pitches in. People don't really understand the consequences of a state defaulting, they just know they don't want anymore bailouts. Heck, I've heard some Californians say they don't want the state bailed out.
        recount all 127 outrageous events over the past 2 yrs... seen any revolts yet?

        no revolts.

        the peeps will sit and take it and take it and take it...

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        • #19
          Re: California defaults!

          Maybe California should look into a solution that North Dakota found helpful decades ago...and which is still successfully keeping N.D. ahead of the debt ridden majority of high growth states. I refer to the North Dakota State Bank and the following article explains it: http://www.prorev.com/2009/03/how-no...tem-could.html

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          • #20
            Re: California defaults!

            Originally posted by metalman View Post
            recount all 127 outrageous events over the past 2 yrs... seen any revolts yet?

            no revolts.

            the peeps will sit and take it and take it and take it...

            Well, I don't think you'll literally see any revolts because that would take people getting off the couch and you know that won't happen. I am hearing more hesitation when it comes to Representatives about all these bailouts and they're starting to worry a little more about getting reelected. You're also hearing a lot more talk about third parties. Not enough for them to actually win but enough like Perot days where it could cost someone an election. I think both Republicans and Democrats are worried of a third party actually getting some momentum since they're strategy the last 10+ years has been to just put down the other party. They would actually have to start thinking and give us some reason to vote for them instead of not voting for the other guy. I think you might see politicians vote against bailouts so when they run for reelection, they can say they voted against such and such bailouts.

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            • #21
              Re: California defaults!

              Originally posted by Kadriana View Post
              Well, I don't think you'll literally see any revolts because that would take people getting off the couch and you know that won't happen. I am hearing more hesitation when it comes to Representatives about all these bailouts and they're starting to worry a little more about getting reelected. You're also hearing a lot more talk about third parties. Not enough for them to actually win but enough like Perot days where it could cost someone an election. I think both Republicans and Democrats are worried of a third party actually getting some momentum since they're strategy the last 10+ years has been to just put down the other party. They would actually have to start thinking and give us some reason to vote for them instead of not voting for the other guy. I think you might see politicians vote against bailouts so when they run for reelection, they can say they voted against such and such bailouts.
              ...unless of course, their state may need a bailout in the future.

              they're in a lose lose situation if they voted yes to bailing out banks and auto companies, and no to teachers, police, and firemen -- as this is how it would be sold by the opposition party i'm sure...

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              • #22
                Re: California defaults!
                Big Banks Don't Want California's IOUs

                A group of the biggest U.S. banks said they would stop accepting California's IOUs on Friday, adding pressure on the state to close its $26.3 billion annual budget gap.

                The development is the latest twist in California's struggle to deal with the effects of the recession. After state leaders failed to agree on budget solutions last week, California began issuing IOUs -- or "individual registered warrants" -- to hundreds of thousands of creditors. State Controller John Chiang said that without IOUs, California would run out of cash by July's end.

                But now, if California continues to issue the IOUs, creditors will be forced to hold on to them until they mature on Oct. 2, or find other banks to honor them. When the IOUs mature, holders will be paid back directly by the state at an annual 3.75% interest rate. Some banks might also work with creditors to come up with an interim solution, such as extending them a line of credit, said Beth Mills, a California Bankers Association spokeswoman.

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                http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692354575702881.html


                oops

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                • #23
                  Re: California defaults!

                  Can some please notify me when we see this on ebay..

                  California : BUY NOW $1

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                  • #24
                    Re: California defaults!

                    Originally posted by Kimmons View Post
                    Just for fun, next month a bunch of us could pay all our bills; mortgage, CC and the like with some IOU's; I'm printing up some right now (they look very official, mind you). If enough of us did it, we could trade them as currency...we could call them tulip dollars or something.
                    even better - maybe people could pay any taxes owed with their iou's

                    quarterly real estate taxes due to your local city or town? pay them with an iou.

                    sales taxes owed to the state? pay them with a State of California issue iou

                    etc etc

                    the State of CA would eventually wind up owing itself

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                    • #25
                      Re: California defaults!

                      Originally posted by touchring View Post
                      looks more like a Republic of California currency to me than an IOU.

                      now what if the unthinkable happens - if Cal IOU appreciates against the US dollar? lol
                      Exactly how would something that is only exchangable for a US Dollar become more valuable than a US Dollar?

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                      • #26
                        Re: California defaults!

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        Exactly how would something that is only exchangable for a US Dollar become more valuable than a US Dollar?
                        this just in...

                        'china demands usa refinance maturing treasury bonds with california ious...'

                        oh, never mind...

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                        • #27
                          Re: California defaults!

                          idea - New futures exchange launched:

                          First product to trade:

                          CA IOUS to be denominated in AU. Think on that for for minutes.:eek:

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                          • #28
                            Re: California defaults!

                            Deposits and withdrawals (exchange pays or collects) in bullion only!

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                            • #29
                              Re: California defaults!

                              Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                              Can some please notify me when we see this on ebay..

                              California : BUY NOW $1
                              Highest bid by Mao at $50c

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                              • #30
                                Re: California defaults!

                                California Can't Even Deliver Its IOUs
                                Joe Weisenthal|Jul. 8, 2009, 6:27 AM|7
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                                Tags: Economy, California, Debt, Banks, Money, Politics

                                California has apparently invented the IOU-squared or the IOU-IOU, however you want to put it.

                                Vendors in the state say, according to NYT, that they've not received the IOUs they were promised -- a problem, since banks have threatened to stop accepting them as cash by this Friday. Some vendors say they know of nobody who's received an IOU yet.

                                Not getting the IOUs out seems like an amazingly stupid move on California's part, which is already suffering from a crisis of confidence. On the other hand, what's stopping people from trading notional IOUs, too. More paper to the rescue!

                                Update: Amazing! More signs that California really is moving to turn these IOUs into a real currency. The legislature is considering a law that would require the state to accept them for taxes and services. On one hand, if California is paying them out, then it should be forced to take them as payment. That being said, we kidn of doubt Arnie will sign a bill like this, since it would have the affect of removing pressure on lawmakers to get a real US Dollars budget done.

                                Folks, you're seeing the creation of fiat currency in action. (via Winterspeak)http://www.businessinsider.com/calif...ts-ious-2009-7
                                Why not go to colonial scrip ?

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