Green Peace to Green Police

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[Starving Steve]

Re: Green Peace to Green Police

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6639289.ece

Now that you have a new tax how do you enforce it.

"Decked out in green jackets, the enforcers will be able to demand access to company property, view power meters, call up electricity and gas bills and examine carbon-trading records for an estimated 6,000 British businesses."

"Ministers have long recognised the need to have new categories of taxes and criminal offences for CO2 emissions"

"It will also be able to demand energy bills from utilities without the companies under investigation knowing they are being watched."

"The first stage would be a desk study of their energy bills and activities, followed by a visit when numbers do not add up. “The inspectors will carry warrant cards giving them powers of entry to collect evidence. We will also have access to company accounts with suppliers,”

All good stuff, eh?

I just spent TEN weeks, earlier this year, fighting with the Capitol Regional District in the Victoria area in British Columbia to get a simple building permit for my garage which was built on my own property, at my own home, in a subdivision approved decades ago. And why was that?

The BC Legislature, thanks to the environmental lobby, passed a Salmon Preserveration Act to protect salmon streams. So under this Act, Dewer Creek, a creek with less water in it than a garden hose, became a salmon creek.

So, at 700 feet elevation, my property and home next to a drainage ditch with less water in it than a garden hose became a creek, and not only that, a creek with possible salmon preservation concern to the province. So my ditch where no fish have ever existed--- let alone salmon--- became Dewer Creek and came under the control of the CRD. So my property which drains into this Dewer Creek came under the control of the CRD, regardless of the fact that it was in a residential subdivision.

So, ten weeks of fighting with so-called environmentalists. I even had to pay "an expediter" who was deemed "an expert" on the environment.

I have had my fill of everything with the environmentalists. They are even WORSE than the George Bush Republicans in America, and that is saying something!

So no surprise that Greenpeace is now the Green Police in Britain. And this bunch, the radical environmentalists, with Cap-and-Trade legislation will turn America into a police state too, all in the name of the junk science about global warming caused by carbon.

And Canada is flirting with cap-and-trade or a carbon tax. BC is flirting with carbon legislation too..... Get the picture?

Be it in the name of salmon preservation or in the name of carbon, whatever, the enviromentalists are all about government control and making economic development, even human survival, all but impossible.

[sishya]

Re: Green Peace to Green Police

Right now these Man-made laws have the upper hand. So once people get frustrated with many of these Man-Made laws, Pendulum will swing again to other side again and God-Made laws will again re-surge. History can repeat. Everything in Moderation is better.

[D-Mack]

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Green Shirts ? At least in the US they are hiring ex-felons

OAKLAND — The Oakland Green Jobs Corps, an ambitious plan to lift at-risk youths out of lives of poverty and violence and place them into jobs helping the environment, this month is recruiting its first students as a contract gets finalized between the city of Oakland and three organizations chosen to run the training.

The students are young men and women from Oakland's toughest neighborhoods who have been recruited by Cypress Mandela Inc. for job training in such things as green construction techniques, hazardous-waste recycling and general life skills, such as promptness and managing finances.

"We have people just out of high school, ex-felons, housewives whose husbands passed away," said Charles Simmons, instruction supervisor at Cypress Mandela.

The Oakland nonprofit is one of three institutions chosen to share a $250,000 grant from the city of Oakland to design and operate the first eight-month Green Job Corps job-training program, according to Ian Kim, director of the Oakland Green Jobs Corps.


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http://www.americangreenjobs.net/new...m-set-to-begin

[Slimprofits]

Re: Green Peace to Green Police

It will also be able to demand energy bills from utilities without the companies under investigation knowing they are being watched.

This is extremely offensive.

[thunderdownunder]

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In the current theme of giving New Government Policies an acronym like TARP GAO et all. It has been proposed, it be called (and rightly so)............... Green Environmental Sustainability Tracking Audit Programme Office’
Or
GESTAPO
Coming soon to "assist" you to correct your thoughts.

I am ......... I have NO words... Lunacy, fascism, Goose stepping Ideology, slavery, Destructive, Ship of fools, Quango, thin edge of the wedge - All words fail me.
I need to get off this Planet and soon. Failing that, its time to take up arms to oppose.

[GRG55]

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If the Global Enviornmental Lobby hasn't already proved its socialist/marxist creds the following link will prove their intent.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06427635.htm

C'mon people. Environmentalism, just like advertising, is all about trying to change people's behaviour. The methods advocated range from trying-to-influence to trying-to-control. Why the surprise and outrage? This has been going on for decades...

[stanley2008]

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I have no idea if that "creek" could possibly affect a salmon river. But I'd rather err on the side of caution. The salmon are way more important that anyone's garage - sorry, but I think that's true in every way you look at it.

Same goes for the lumberjack who wants to "feed his family" chopping down trees where an endangered owl lives. Those owls are more important to the world that that the lumberjack and his family. That's difficult to convince most people of that, but it's true.

One example - the cod fishermen on the East coast. They were fighting for years and years to be able to keep fishing and get higher government limits so they could feed their families. I find it almost funny (but actually sad) now that the fisherman are all out of work because there are no more cod to fish! Serves them right. We are all so ignorant and selfish us humans. Enjoy the garage, but every selfish action taken against a garden hose worth of creek adds up to lost tourism for salmon fishing I'd guess, and lower real estate prices and so on and so on.


Environmentalism could be the KEY to making a sustainable economy. Good for new jobs and innovators to invent new and better ways of doing things. Think about it a bit.

Check this:

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Economy/

Many countries have realized that environmental conservation is good for the economy—and they’re taking action. Places like Sweden, Germany, the U.K., Denmark, and the Netherlands are strategically using public policies such as ecological fiscal reform to spur innovation, investment, technological progress, and behavioural change.

In contrast, Canada has been reluctant to use strong regulations or economic disincentives to protect the environment. The countries that are far ahead of Canada in terms of environmental protection are also outperforming Canada economically.

The David Suzuki Foundation regularly offers policy proposals that would make Canada a world leader in protecting its rich natural capital.


This line of thinking is the best I have seen around lately. If you're going to blow billions at least give it a chance. Who cares if some yahoo in a green suit is going to spy on a companies power bill... "Ooooh they must be commies" isn't the first thing that should come into your minds guys.

[Master Shake]

Re: Green Peace to Green Police

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6639289.ece

Now that you have a new tax how do you enforce it.

"Decked out in green jackets, the enforcers will be able to demand access to company property, view power meters, call up electricity and gas bills and examine carbon-trading records for an estimated 6,000 British businesses."

"Ministers have long recognised the need to have new categories of taxes and criminal offences for CO2 emissions"

"It will also be able to demand energy bills from utilities without the companies under investigation knowing they are being watched."

"The first stage would be a desk study of their energy bills and activities, followed by a visit when numbers do not add up. “The inspectors will carry warrant cards giving them powers of entry to collect evidence. We will also have access to company accounts with suppliers,”

All good stuff, eh?

Eco-fascism. But it's all good because they're doing it for our own good instead of for "die volk."

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

- C.S. Lewis

[Starving Steve]

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I have no idea if that "creek" could possibly affect a salmon river. But I'd rather err on the side of caution. The salmon are way more important that anyone's garage - sorry, but I think that's true in every way you look at it.

Same goes for the lumberjack who wants to "feed his family" chopping down trees where an endangered owl lives. Those owls are more important to the world that that the lumberjack and his family. That's difficult to convince most people of that, but it's true.

One example - the cod fishermen on the East coast. They were fighting for years and years to be able to keep fishing and get higher government limits so they could feed their families. I find it almost funny (but actually sad) now that the fisherman are all out of work because there are no more cod to fish! Serves them right. We are all so ignorant and selfish us humans. Enjoy the garage, but every selfish action taken against a garden hose worth of creek adds up to lost tourism for salmon fishing I'd guess, and lower real estate prices and so on and so on.


Environmentalism could be the KEY to making a sustainable economy. Good for new jobs and innovators to invent new and better ways of doing things. Think about it a bit.

Check this:

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Economy/

Many countries have realized that environmental conservation is good for the economy—and they’re taking action. Places like Sweden, Germany, the U.K., Denmark, and the Netherlands are strategically using public policies such as ecological fiscal reform to spur innovation, investment, technological progress, and behavioural change.

In contrast, Canada has been reluctant to use strong regulations or economic disincentives to protect the environment. The countries that are far ahead of Canada in terms of environmental protection are also outperforming Canada economically.

The David Suzuki Foundation regularly offers policy proposals that would make Canada a world leader in protecting its rich natural capital.


This line of thinking is the best I have seen around lately. If you're going to blow billions at least give it a chance. Who cares if some yahoo in a green suit is going to spy on a companies power bill... "Ooooh they must be commies" isn't the first thing that should come into your minds guys.

The Green Police are the new Gestapo. This is exactly how the Green Police think: people come second, a loon comes first. Or, the imperative to feed one's family comes second; the need for the government to control people come first.