China joins the Carbon protests

[Mega]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/76f0e4b0-67f...3-july-2009%2F

Ok, this is how i think the scam works:-

The West dream up Global warming
They use it to TRY to keep 3rd World down
China/India have pissed all over that idea
They now decied that you MUST "Trade" Carbon
All "Trade" are of course in $
If you don't play the game, they tax your imports.

China, little Tip from Mega:-
Crash these Fuckers NOW!
Cheers
Mike

[Kadriana]

Re: China joins the Carbon protests

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/76f0e4b0-67f...3-july-2009%2F

Ok, this is how i think the scam works:-

The West dream up Global warming
They use it to TRY to keep 3rd World down
China/India have pissed all over that idea
They now decied that you MUST "Trade" Carbon
All "Trade" are of course in $
If you don't play the game, they tax your imports.

China, little Tip from Mega:-
Crash these Fuckers NOW!
Cheers
Mike

I think global warming concerns will pretty much be taken care of when we run out of natural resources to make anything. I think China has already figured that out which is why they're buying up Zinc companies.

[D-Mack]

Re: China joins the Carbon protests

China as Protector of Developing Countries

China’s view of itself is one of a natural member of what during the Cold War was called the Third World, now generally known as developing countries, in the struggle against Western imperialism, now known as neoliberalism, but not as its leader either by design or by default, as each country must seek its own way of struggle according to its historical conditions. Nor does China maintain a foreign policy of exporting revolution to other countries that do not want a revolutionary path. China has formally declared its determination never to seek hegemony and has openly declared a policy of no-first-use of nuclear weapons. Brzezinski’s G2 strategy runs counter to Deng Xiaoping’s strategy of “hide capacity, bide time” (韜光養晦 tao guang yan hui), a strategy of keeping a low profile to avoid attracting unnecessary hostility in a period when the world’s sole remaining super power was intoxicated with imposing its will on other countries by its overwhelming military power. A G2 regime will inflict on China the side effects of rising anti-US sentiments from around the world at a time when US power is declining from self-inflicted wounds.

If G2 is patterned after G5, then there is no geopolitical purpose for China to become a member, because G5 is a tool of US hegemony and neoliberal imperialism. Unless G2 is based on true equality between the partners, which is unlikely as the power disparity between the US and China is still too wide and at any rate not possible without a new just world order, then the cost for China from being a member of G2 is too high and the benefits negative. By being a member of the proposed G2, China would be necessarily saddled with the burdens of being a special ally of a superpower without the benefits or even the need of being a superpower itself.

http://henryckliu.com/page186.html

I don't know if China is the protector of the 3rd world, is it true that they are doing 50/50 deals instead of 70/30 like the Anglo-Americans ?

[don]

Re: China joins the Carbon protests

There are no Hearts and Flowers attached to this observation. Just a different, and longer, view of power politics.

Twice the Chinese, against India and Vietnam, fought wars and were quickly victorious and then initiated withdrawal settlements. There hasn't been any tensions close since. Contrasted with the Axis of Evil approach, it's a marked change.



On the Global Energy Front:

July 3, 2009
Green Power Takes Root in the Chinese Desert

By KEITH BRADSHER

DUNHUANG, China — As the United States takes its first steps toward mandating that power companies generate more electricity from renewable sources, China already has a similar requirement and is investing billions to remake itself into a green energy superpower.

Through a combination of carrots and sticks, Beijing is starting to change how this country generates energy. Although coal remains the biggest energy source and is almost certain to stay that way, the rise of renewable energy, especially wind power, is helping to slow China’s steep growth in emissions of global warming gases.

While the House of Representatives approved a requirement last week that American utilities generate more of their power from renewable sources of energy, and the Senate will consider similar proposals over the summer, China imposed such a requirement almost two years ago.

This year China is on track to pass the United States as the world’s largest market for wind turbines — after doubling wind power capacity in each of the last four years. State-owned power companies are competing to see which can build solar plants fastest, though these projects are much smaller than the wind projects. And other green energy projects, like burning farm waste to generate electricity, are sprouting up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/bu...20green&st=cse