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  • #61
    Re: Joe 6 Pack wakes up

    Originally posted by radon View Post
    How about not borrowing money. Live in a modest apartment and drive a 15 year old Honda like I did for years. I guess self reliance and personal accountability doesn't exist in CA. Sorry, the ants are done feeding the crickets.

    http://www.dilbert.com/2009-06-26/
    recalls an itulip oldie but goodie...


    The Ant and the Grasshopper, Then and Now

    by Eric Janszen

    The Ant and the Grasshopper, Aesop (620–560 BC)


    In a field one summer's day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart's content. An Ant walked by, grunting as he carried an apple.

    "Where are you off to with that heavy thing?" asked the Grasshopper.

    Without stopping, the Ant replied, "To our ant hill. This is the third apple I've delivered today."

    "Why not come and sing with me," said the Grasshopper, "instead of working so hard?"

    "I am helping to store food for the winter," said the Ant, "and think you should do the same."

    "Why bother about winter?" said the Grasshopper; "we have plenty of food right now."

    But the Ant went on its way and continued its work.

    The weather soon turned cold. All the food lying in the field was covered with a thick white blanket of snow that even the grasshopper could not dig through. Soon the Grasshopper found itself dying of hunger.

    He staggered to the ants' hill and saw them handing out corn from the stores they had collected in the summer.

    Then the Grasshopper knew: It is best to prepare for the days of necessity.

    The Ant and the Grasshopper, iTulip (2007)

    In the check-out line at Circuit City, a Grasshopper is pushing an over-flowing shopping cart with a flat panel TV teetering on top of a pile of components for a home entertainment system. He's singing along with his iPod, playing through ear buds at top volume. An Ant stands behind him, holding 20 feet of telephone extension chord.

    The Grasshopper yanks one of the ear buds out of his ear and tells the cashier as he tosses him a credit card, "Just did my third cash-out refi in two years to pay down my credit cards. Now I can charge them back up to the limit again. Woo-hoo!"

    As he's walking out, he turns around and grunts at the Ant who is buying the cheap extension chord with cash.

    The next day, the Ant finds himself standing behind the Grasshopper in a checkout line at the local Home Depot. The Grasshopper is holding an invoice for his dream kitchen, complete with granite counter tops and stainless steel stove and refrigerator, plus installation. The Ant is holding an electrical switch and a screwdriver.

    The Grasshopper turns around, yanks one of the ear buds out of his ear and says to the Ant, "Dude, what are you gonna do with that?"

    The Ant replied, "Fix a broken light switch."

    "I'd just hire someone to do it," snorted the Grasshopper as he pulled out his credit card for the cashier.

    The Ant paid cash for the light switch and screwdriver.

    Two years later, the economy went into a deep recession and unemployment rose to 15%, although the government still reported unemployment around 5%, as it always does. The Ant is surfing his favorite housing bubble web site and sees a member posting under the name "Grasshopper." Grasshopper says he got laid off from his job, and his 2 year ARM just adjusted from $2,500 to $5,200 a month. With all the defaults in subprime mortgages, the banks have tightened lending standards so he can't refi into a cheaper fixed rate mortgage. He's being foreclosed on and the phone is ringing off the hook from credit card companies demanding payment. "HEEEELP!" screamed the Grasshopper.

    Another member posted a list of links, and told the Grasshopper not to worry, help is on the way.

    NJ pol wants to aid subprime borrowers

    Congress must aid subprime victims: consumer group

    Thousands set to lose homes to loan tricksters, sez Chuck

    Then the Grasshopper knew: No reason not to pile on debt and save nothing. The government will force all the Ants (taxpayers), who are not responsible for your distress, to bail you out with their savings. The financial firms that created securitized debt products out of the bad loans and sold them on the market, and lenders and banks that made the bad loans and issued too much credit, who made huge profits in the process and are at least partly responsible for the mess, will pay nothing of the cost to clean it up nor compensate the Ants. A few small lenders will go out of business, but the largest lenders and banks–the biggest gainers and offenders–will not be allowed to go out business, are "too big to fail." The bulk of the externalized costs go to the Ants, in the form of more public debt for their kids to pay off some day, who are least responsible for it.

    Millions of grasshoppers have taken the lesson to heart.

    "Household debt, which ranges from home mortgages to credit cards, now totals about $10 trillion, or roughly 115 percent of personal income. In 1945, debt was about 20 percent of disposable income. For six decades consumer debt and spending have risen faster than income. Debt, as we all know, can't permanently rise faster than income, and given their age, baby boomers must at some point soon begin to repay mortgages and save for retirement, which will mean less consumer spending."

    - South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford, 2006


    (So far, the government is only talking about bailing out subprime borrowers. But it's only a matter of time before everyone who over-borrowed gets bailed out, by redistribution of savings via public borrowing, taxation, or inflation, or a bit of each. The Ant-ist work and money ethos is simply too politically unpopular.)

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    • #62
      Re: Joe 6 Pack wakes up

      Originally posted by metalman View Post

      "Household debt, which ranges from home mortgages to credit cards, now totals about $10 trillion, or roughly 115 percent of personal income. In 1945, debt was about 20 percent of disposable income. For six decades consumer debt and spending have risen faster than income. Debt, as we all know, can't permanently rise faster than income, and given their age, baby boomers must at some point soon begin to repay mortgages and save for retirement, which will mean less consumer spending."

      - South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford, 2006
      ps... maybe that's what really happened to sanford... crossed wires with the fire econ boyz...

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      • #63
        Re: Joe 6 Pack wakes up

        You all know more than I, so feel free to correct my jaw dropping oversimplifications below.

        Let's set aside abolishing fiat money for the moment. Maybe that is the root cause and needs to happen, but I doubt it ever will. There is obviously resistance at the political and financial world, but more importantly, the concept of going to the bank, taking out a loan and paying interest on it is too ingrained in western consumers. Citizens in the US won't accept a shift to the metric system - how would a new model of money be accepted?

        So what should have happened? The banks that made bad loans get wiped out along with their shareholders. Unfortunately, the banks grew large and retirement funds made everyone shareholders. Ignoring the bigger picture issues, wiping out the banks becomes a political problem because it wipes out J6Ps retirement funds.

        If J6P wants to retire, more money must be saved. Everyone has debt and it costs less to employ 2 people working over time than 3 not, so people get laid off. Laid off people can't service their debt, which results in the feedback loop.

        Even with a non-fiat money, it seems like everything above could still happen because of stock bubbles. Reverting to fiat money may fix some of the issues (and potentially reduce the magnitude of problems by reducing leverage), but blaming this all on fiat money seems like a big simplification. That would imply that people on 'real money' systems never had bubbles (or at least significant ones)

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