The British take to the streets and revolt!

[Mega]

But Sadly not in the right nation:-
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...vision_Reports

Oh Well.
Mike

[Starving Steve]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

But Sadly not in the right nation:-
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...vision_Reports

Oh Well.
Mike

Why does the British Embassy in Tehran need more information? Why does the British Embassy in Tehran turn a blind eye to the coverage on television of murders of street demonstators? Why does BBC World Service ignore the butchering of opposition in Iran? Why does the BBC World Service ignore the barbarity of terrorists in Muslim nations, terrorists such as Al Qaide and Hesbollah? And let me ask you another question, Mike, why isn't the UN doing something to stop this? It would seem that the UN is going out of its way to ignore this butchering of the people of Iran. And also, why is Britain not making the UN address this matter? :confused:

[KGW]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

Why does the British Embassy in Tehran need more information? Why does the British Embassy in Tehran turn a blind eye to the coverage on television of murders of street demonstators? Why does BBC World Service ignore the butchering of opposition in Iran? Why does the BBC World Service ignore the barbarity of terrorists in Muslim nations, terrorists such as Al Qaide and Hesbollah? And let me ask you another question, Mike, why isn't the UN doing something to stop this? It would seem that the UN is going out of its way to ignore this butchering of the people of Iran. And also, why is Britain not making the UN address this matter? :confused:

Perhaps because they enjoy it? :rolleyes:

SS, have you noticed that the U.S. has killed several hundreds of thousands of people in the last few years? For various reasons, depending on when you ask. In other words, they lie. The communist menace isn't so menacing anymore, so they have to gin up a menace somewhere. People who are tired of getting the shaft from U.S. foreign policy are as good a menace as anyone...How the hell else can they get a defense budget the size of Mars?

[metalman]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

Perhaps because they enjoy it? :rolleyes:

SS, have you noticed that the U.S. has killed several hundreds of thousands of people in the last few years? For various reasons, depending on when you ask. In other words, they lie. The communist menace isn't so menacing anymore, so they have to gin up a menace somewhere. People who are tired of getting the shaft from U.S. foreign policy are as good a menace as anyone...How the hell else can they get a defense budget the size of Mars?

keep it up... you'll have steve talking stalin and ecofrauds in no time.

[cjppjc]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

keep it up... you'll have steve talking stalin and ecofrauds in no time.

And the cost of electricity:eek:

In all seriousness Steve, You are well liked and respected. However your tone is a little loud sometimes.

Rejoyce. A new iTuliper will soon be born.

[Starving Steve]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

And the cost of electricity:eek:

In all seriousness Steve, You are well liked and respected. However your tone is a little loud sometimes.

Rejoyce. A new iTuliper will soon be born.

One iTuliper, apparently an Iranian national and apparently a protester, posted that naive liberals have functioned in recent years as "i-pod liberals" and "rock-n-roll liberals". In other words, liberalism has stood for nothing but rock music and i-pods, especially about serious issues like democratizing Iran and separating the power of religion from the power of the government.

I am not one of those kind of liberals, and I try to speak-up clearly for what I think needs changing. I want the message of liberalism to be crystal clear and in print, worldwide. Unfortunately, sometimes I tend to engage rightwingers and eco-nuts in debate and I come across loud.... But that debate is long over-due.

I remember my days at the University of California in Berkeley in the late 1960s and 1970. Liberalism meant nothing more than a revolt for People's Park, pot smoking, and tolerance of speakers at Sproul Hall on campus who wanted to topple the Shah of Iran. I had no idea what those anti-Shah speakers were up to; no idea that they wanted to install the butcher, Ayatollah Hulmany (sp?), to replace the Shah and convert Iran into an Islamic Republic.... So I know exactly what "i-pod liberalism" and "rock-n-roll liberalism" and "pot-head liberalism" is all about.

The message of modern liberalism has to be re-written and understood by all. We who were the pot-head liberals at Berkeley who hated the Shah of Iran are now partly responsible for the suffering of the people in Iran now.

Now I realize how important some American values are such as separation of religion and government. That value should be taught loud and clear to the world, not just at Berkeley but in the Middle East, especially in Iran.

[hayekvindicated]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

One iTuliper, apparently an Iranian national and apparently a protester, posted that naive liberals have functioned in recent years as "i-pod liberals" and "rock-n-roll liberals". In other words, liberalism has stood for nothing but rock music and i-pods, especially about serious issues like democratizing Iran and separating the power of religion from the power of the government.

I am not one of those kind of liberals, and I try to speak-up clearly for what I think needs changing. I want the message of liberalism to be crystal clear and in print, worldwide. Unfortunately, sometimes I tend to engage rightwingers and eco-nuts in debate and I come across loud.... But that debate is long over-due.

I remember my days at the University of California in Berkeley in the late 1960s and 1970. Liberalism meant nothing more than a revolt for People's Park, pot smoking, and tolerance of speakers at Sproul Hall on campus who wanted to topple the Shah of Iran. I had no idea what those anti-Shah speakers were up to; no idea that they wanted to install the butcher, Ayatollah Hulmany (sp?), to replace the Shah and convert Iran into an Islamic Republic.... So I know exactly what "i-pod liberalism" and "rock-n-roll liberalism" and "pot-head liberalism" is all about.

The message of modern liberalism has to be re-written and understood by all. We who were the pot-head liberals at Berkeley who hated the Shah of Iran are now partly responsible for the suffering of the people in Iran now.

Now I realize how important some American values are such as separation of religion and government. That value should be taught loud and clear to the world, not just at Berkeley but in the Middle East, especially in Iran.

Pot smoking liberalism is what turned me to the right firmly and permanently in my formative years.

If you point out to those Berkeley "activists" what their "activism" did to Iran, they will shrug their shoulders and start moralising about something else (global warming, African poverty or whatever else they can get their hands on). That kind of liberalism has nothing to do with seriousness about issues, it has to do with endless posturing, attention seeking and feeling good and morally superior about oneself (precisely the reason why so many liberals were wetting their pants about Obama - granted the alternative was an old warthog and utterly uninspiring).

On another thread, there is a discussion about how American politicians refuse to be serious about the huge debt problem facing the country and instead engage in showboating, posturing and endless moralising. What I've realised is that the values of the so-called "baby boomer" generation triumphed over America - and therefore, politics itself has become no more than gimmickery and showboating. One can never deal with issues with any real seriousness. There may be a delicious irony in all of this in that the generation that made these things the dominant culture of the country will itself be bankrupted.

That is not to say that there aren't baby boomers who find this kind of behaviour disgusting.

[*T*]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

Why does BBC World Service ignore the butchering of opposition in Iran?

It's their lead story on the World Service news -- hardly ignoring it.

[dugg]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

Why does the British Embassy in Tehran need more information? Why does the British Embassy in Tehran turn a blind eye to the coverage on television of murders of street demonstators? Why does BBC World Service ignore the butchering of opposition in Iran? Why does the BBC World Service ignore the barbarity of terrorists in Muslim nations, terrorists such as Al Qaide and Hesbollah? And let me ask you another question, Mike, why isn't the UN doing something to stop this? It would seem that the UN is going out of its way to ignore this butchering of the people of Iran. And also, why is Britain not making the UN address this matter? :confused:

Follow the money trail down the slippery slope of oil and you'll find the rabbit hole. And, we are all part of the problem, no matter what our belief system may be, unless of course your off-grid/oil which I'm thinking-not.
With so much special interest at stake in the mid-east, I hope they solve their own problems without help from the west. I'm not sure we (the world) could trust intervention at this time. I will concur with Obama on this one.

[Starving Steve]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

Now turning age sixty-one, I agree with you 100% about the show-boating of our baby-boom generation. And I see the world quite differently than I saw it during college days.

[Starving Steve]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

It's their lead story on the World Service news -- hardly ignoring it.

Yes, now that people are holding up signs in the streets of Tehran condeming (sp?) the BBC World Service and the British Embassy, and now that the blood is flowing in the streets of Tehran, BBC World Television has the uprising in Tehran as its lead story. A couple of weeks ago, the telecasting was a bit different on BBC: very anti-Isreal, quiet and almost blind to the acts of Islamic terrorists, very quiet and blind about Iran, rather anti-American or anti-Western about Iraq, etc.

And still, even with the coldest June in 27 years being recorded in the U.S. and Canada, record low temperatures being recorded in San Francisco, glaciers reforming in the Cascades, all we see and hear on BBC Television is the junk science about global warming.

Decades ago, BBC could be trusted; they were the authority for world news, but not now. To-day, much the telecasting on BBC is propaganda.

[hayekvindicated]

Re: The British take to the streets and revolt!

Yes, now that people are holding up signs in the streets of Tehran condeming (sp?) the BBC World Service and the British Embassy, and now that the blood is flowing in the streets of Tehran, BBC World Television has the uprising in Tehran as its lead story. A couple of weeks ago, the telecasting was a bit different on BBC: very anti-Isreal, quiet and almost blind to the acts of Islamic terrorists, very quiet and blind about Iran, rather anti-American or anti-Western about Iraq, etc.

And still, even with the coldest June in 27 years being recorded in the U.S. and Canada, record low temperatures being recorded in San Francisco, glaciers reforming in the Cascades, all we see and hear on BBC Television is the junk science about global warming.

Decades ago, BBC could be trusted; they were the authority for world news, but not now. To-day, much the telecasting on BBC is propaganda.

Agree 100%.