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  • Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...=1245393130032

    From The Times
    June 19, 2009
    To fight deflation, abolish cash. Could Japan make reality of ‘science fiction’?
    Leo Lewis Asia Business Correspondent

    With recovery elusive, a population doddering into old age and perhaps a decade of deflation in prospect, Japan may start mulling the most radical monetary policy of all — the abolition of cash.

    Unorthodox, untried and, said one Bank of Tokyo Mitsubishi strategist, “in the realms of economic science fiction”, the recommendation has nevertheless begun floating around Tokyo’s corridors of power and economists have described Japan as particularly suitable as a testing ground.

    The search for more outré economic policies continues, despite the recent surge in the Nikkei 225 index.The market may be reflecting soaring Chinese investment, rising consumer confidence and other cheerful data but economists see few long-term beacons of hope for Japan.

    Other extreme ideas mooted by the financial authorities include a tax on physical currency or introducing one to operate alongside the yen.

    All three ideas are based on a theory concerning interest rates and the concept that a nominal rate of zero — as Japan has now lived with for much of the past decade — may be too high. In Japan’s case, the theory would suggest that nominal rates of -4 per cent might be closer to what is required to rescue the economy from another deflationary spiral. Having agreed that this might be necessary, the next question is how it could be imposed.

    Several MPs in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party believe the abolition of cash, though politically radioactive, might be technically feasible. Richard Jerram, a senior economist with Macquarie bank, told investors that “the proposal has become practical with the broad penetration of electronic money and credit cards in Japan”.

    He said that all the proposals were radical but worth consideration for Japan. Without physical cash, a central bank can set rates exactly where it likes, runs the argument. Mr Jerram said: “At the heart of the problem of achieving negative nominal interest rates is the idea that physical currency is an anonymous bearer bond with a nominal interest rate of zero.” While a central bank can impose positive or negative rates on non-physical assets, transmitting those rates to physical currency is a huge challenge. By permanently removing cash from a system, he added, policymakers are robbed of the excuse that zero is the lowest that nominal rates can go as a deflation-fighting tool.

    In theory, many Japanese could easily make the leap into a cashless world. The country has six main competing cashless payment systems, many of them embedded into mobile phones. Including Oyster-type cards issued by public transport companies, industry sources estimate that there are about 120 million cashless payment chips sitting in Japan’s wallets and handbags, waiting to be swiped.

    Nevertheless, the country remains a wholeheartedly cash-based consumer society. Currency in circulation is about 16 per cent of its GDP, compared with the levels of 2 to 3 per cent in most developed countries. Reducing that 16 per cent to zero would be a wrench but would come with considerable benefits, Mr Jerram said.

    But just as Japan’s cultural attachment to cash may prove hard to dislodge, some economists believe that the same may be true of deflation. The country’s growing population of elderly people mainly hold cash or cash equivalents and, compared with its US and European counterparts, the Bank of Japan has come under virtually no political pressure to be more belligerent in its war on deflation. It is unlikely, added Mr Jerram, to brook anything as radical as abolishing cash.
    Can they be any more predictable?

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    Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

    They can easily create negative interest rates right now by simply having bills "stamped" for them to remain legal tender.

    By eliminating cash, the medium of exchange is lost, which would create far bigger problems for them.

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      Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

      The U.S. Federal Reserve had no business putting interest rates at negative real rates of return. This nonsense began under Alan Greenspan's control of the Fed. And now the Bank of Japan wants to carry this experiment even further by abolishing cash.

      What gives central bankers the right to carry-on silly experiments such as these which thus far have thrown the entire world into deep depression? The best recourse for the voters is to throw the incumbents out in every country, and then maybe the central bankers might get the message that we are outraged.

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        Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

        If they eliminate cash, won't it spark a flight to hard assets (like gold)?

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          Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

          Originally posted by Starving Steve

          What gives central bankers the right to carry-on silly experiments such as these which thus far have thrown the entire world into deep depression?
          What gives them the right? Simple, the acquiescence or apathy of others.

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            Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

            Originally posted by dummass View Post
            If they eliminate cash, won't it spark a flight to hard assets (like gold)?
            You are missing the point, think about a micro chip implanted on you (on/off switch) to buy and sell; the nutty apocalyptic types aren't so nutty after all.

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              Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

              Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
              What gives them the right? Simple, the acquiescence or apathy of others.
              Another way for the public in every country to start putting pressure on their central bankers is to stop donating to the universities that graduated these kinds of pro-inflation economists. For example, do not donate one penny to the London School of Economics which graduated Robert Mugabe who generated the hyper-inflation in Zimbabwe. Another example, do not donate one penny to Princeton University which graduated Bernanke (the putz from Princeton) who now has set the Federal Reserve Bank's discount rate to banks ( the cost of money ) at 0.25%.

              A letter written to university newspapers ( campus newspapers ) indicating your intention to stop donating to their university might also be effective. Make your outrage at the economics curriculum being offered known in writing. You might mention some of the disasters worldwide caused by current economic thinking, especially the current worldwide depression.
              Last edited by Starving Steve; June 20, 2009, 12:42 PM.

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                Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                Another way for the public in every country to start putting pressure on their central bankers is to stop donating to the universities that graduated these kinds of pro-inflation economists. For example, do not donate one penny to the London School of Economics which graduated Robert Mugabe who generated the hyper-inflation in Zimbabwe. Another example, do not donate one penny to Princeton University which graduated Bernanke (the putz from Princeton) who now has set the Federal Reserve Bank's discount rate to banks ( the cost of money ) at 0.25%.

                A letter written to university newspapers ( campus newspapers ) indicating your intention to stop donating to their university might also be effective. Make your outrage at the economics curriculum being offered known in writing. You might mention some of the disasters worldwide caused by current economic thinking, especially the current worldwide depression.
                LSE doesn't need donations. It is a state university (as almost all are in the UK).
                It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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                  Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                  Originally posted by *T* View Post
                  LSE doesn't need donations. It is a state university (as almost all are in the UK).
                  I would think in the UK, pressure on the London School of Economics could come from the House of Lords and from H.M. Queen Elizabeth II. You might direct letters to the House of Lords and the Queen, because certainly, letters are now in order. And if nothing else, it would give the Upper House and the Monarchy something useful to do and a reason to exist. The economics curriculum being publicly funded at the LSE is an outrage, and the proof is Robert Mugabe and his Zimbabwe.

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                    Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                    Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                    I would think in the UK, pressure on the London School of Economics could come from the House of Lords and from H.M. Queen Elizabeth II. You might direct letters to the House of Lords and the Queen, because certainly, letters are now in order. And if nothing else, it would give the Upper House and the Monarchy something useful to do and a reason to exist. The economics curriculum being publicly funded at the LSE is an outrage, and the proof is Robert Mugabe and his Zimbabwe.
                    The Unabomber had a degree from Harvard and the University of Michigan. Simple substitution shows the absurdity of your position:

                    "The [mathematics] curriculum being publicly funded at the [Universities of Harvard and Michigan are] an outrage, and the proof is [the Unibomber]."

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                      Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                      Originally posted by Munger View Post
                      The Unabomber had a degree from Harvard and the University of Michigan. Simple substitution shows the absurdity of your position:

                      "The [mathematics] curriculum being publicly funded at the [Universities of Harvard and Michigan are] an outrage, and the proof is [the Unibomber]."
                      Universities can not be held responsible for the character of every one of their graduates, although maybe they should be. So, the Uni-bomber is no reflexion on Harvard or the U. of Michigan.... Fair enough.

                      But speaking of Harvard, there was another graduate from Harvard: Alan Greenspan that comes to mind. Alan Greenspan was educated in the economics department of Harvard University, if my memory serves me correctly.

                      And Alan Greenspan was given the reigns of the U.S. economy in complete recovery and with a strong dollar and virtually no inflation. And what did Mr. Greenspan do?

                      Mr. Greenspan took it upon himself to tinker with interest rates and launch America and the world into an absurd economic experiment in setting interest rates far below the rate of inflation. No-one gave him permission to do this, but he did it anyway.

                      When asked about the economy in Congress, Greenspan spoke in his incomprehensible and absurd Greenspanese, so no-one knew what he was saying.

                      Now we all know that Greenspan's tinkering and experiment with interest rates set the country into economic turmoil and collapse. The collapse of the American economy set the entire world into depression.

                      Do you mean to say that Harvard's economics department is not responsible for the economic thinking of Alan Greenspan? Do you mean to imply that the Crash of 2008-9 was just some kind of passing black swan event and that current economics thinking at Harvard does not bare some responsibility for this mess? Or do you mean to imply that Alan Greenspan and his inflating does not bare prime responsiblity for the Crash of 2008-9?

                      The Crash of 2008-9 proved to the world that the Federal Reserve Bank is irresponsible and can not be trusted. The crash proved to the Federal Reserve Bank is the prime promoter of inflation in the world, and its policies are set merely to benefit its member banks, regardless of who these inflationary policies harm.
                      Last edited by Starving Steve; June 20, 2009, 04:17 PM.

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                        Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                        Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                        Do you mean to say that Harvard's economics department is not responsible for the economic thinking of Alan Greenspan?
                        I took issue with blaming the LSE for Mugabe's tyranny; I highly doubt the crimes he has been committing are taught as part of the curriculum.

                        But, regarding Greenspan: There are disparate views within any academic department, as there should be. Greenspan gravitated towards the lessaiz faire. He probably would have regardless of where he attended school. I do not blame the department: professors should be allowed to teach what they think they have learned; students should be allowed to sort through it.

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                          Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                          No, I don't think that I'm missing the point. I have a different point: if the Japanese have a propensity for holding cash (i.e, they prefer the tangible to the intangible) they might, in the absence of cash, still prefer to hold something tangible, like PMs.

                          Squirrels like nuts. If you take away their nuts, they will probably find something else to hoard.

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                            Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                            Originally posted by Munger View Post
                            I took issue with blaming the LSE for Mugabe's tyranny; I highly doubt the crimes he has been committing are taught as part of the curriculum.

                            But, regarding Greenspan: There are disparate views within any academic department, as there should be. Greenspan gravitated towards the lessaiz faire. He probably would have regardless of where he attended school. I do not blame the department: professors should be allowed to teach what they think they have learned; students should be allowed to sort through it.
                            I believe Robert Mugabe learned how to inflate and re-inflate and accelerate inflation and camoflauge inflation through the curriculum at the London School of Economics. Robert Mugabe is the world's all-time master at hyper-inflation with an inflation rate in Zimbabwe in late winter of 2009 higher than any rate ever before witnessed in world history, in any country, anywhere.

                            Let's put the finger of blame for the starvation and hyper-inflation in Zimbabwe squarely where it belongs: i.e, onto the inflationist or Keynsian economic curriculum taught at the LSE... Interesting to note that Robert Mugabe is now sending his daughter to receive her economics education at the London School of Economics.:rolleyes:
                            Last edited by Starving Steve; June 20, 2009, 10:05 PM.

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                              Re: Japan: To fight deflation, abolish cash.

                              Originally posted by dummass View Post
                              No, I don't think that I'm missing the point. I have a different point: if the Japanese have a propensity for holding cash (i.e, they prefer the tangible to the intangible) they might, in the absence of cash, still prefer to hold something tangible, like PMs.

                              Squirrels like nuts. If you take away their nuts, they will probably find something else to hoard.
                              I'm pretty sure they'd just abolish private ownership of precious metals.

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